Goodell "Thinks" The DeflateGate Investigation Is Nearing the End

[Manwiththeplan]

No, it's just that other teams don't make national headlines when they break the rules.

The Atlanta Falcons didn't generate national headlines for 2 weeks when they got caught pumping in crowd noise
The Minnesota Vikings didn't generate national headlines for 2 weeks when they got caught illegally heating balls on the sidelines
The Cleveland Browns didn't generate national headlines for 2 weeks when they got caught illegally texting the sidelines
The NY Jets didn't generate national headlines for 2 weeks when they got caught tampering with Darelle Revis

As I've said before, I do think a lot of what fueled this story is how much people dislike NE for winning, but you are naive if you don't think any of those teams getting caught breaking the rule they did or the same football rule would have been a huge deal if they just won their conference championship game and it was the 2 week lul before the superbowl.

But the Patriots get accused of a crime and the entire country loses its collective mind.
Not true. My opinion is that the Patriots did nothing wrong. If Wells uncovers evidence of actual tampering (that's actual tampering, not simply the laws of physics in play) then I will admit I was wrong and they should be punished. Of course, the guidelines of punishment for tampering with footballs is a $25,000 fine. Not exactly a capital offense.

exactly, Wells report doesn't really show much, NE supporters rejoice saying told you so. Wells report shows they did something wrong on some level, NE supporters go, meh, no big deal. If in the end you're not really going to care whether they are guilty or not, and believing they should be subject to a 25k fine is not caring, then don't call anyone a coward for not caring what the Wells report turns up, because to be honest, you don't really care.

 

[Rogah]

As I've said before, I do think a lot of what fueled this story is how much people dislike NE for winning, but you are naive if you don't think any of those teams getting caught breaking the rule they did or the same football rule would have been a huge deal if they just won their conference championship game and it was the 2 week lul before the superbowl.



exactly, Wells report doesn't really show much, NE supporters rejoice saying told you so. Wells report shows they did something wrong on some level, NE supporters go, meh, no big deal. If in the end you're not really going to care whether they are guilty or not, and believing they should be subject to a 25k fine is not caring, then don't call anyone a coward for not caring what the Wells report turns up, because to be honest, you don't really care.

Let me ask you this:

Do you think this subject deserved the amount of attention it got? I mean, this was the lead story on the network news for several days (that's the national news, not just the sports news)

It is entirely possible that this team did nothing wrong but still had to deal with as large a distraction as could be imagined during their lead up to the biggest game of the year. It actually got to the point of being an unfair competitive disadvantage. Do you see that as accurate if they are in fact innocent?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Let me ask you this:

Do you think this subject deserved the amount of attention it got? I mean, this was the lead story on the network news for several days (that's the national news, not just the sports news)

No, hence the amount of attention I paid the story. I think I posted once when the story broke, and really have ignored it until I came in here a few days ago.

It is entirely possible that this team did nothing wrong but still had to deal with as large a distraction as could be imagined during their lead up to the biggest game of the year. It actually got to the point of being an unfair competitive disadvantage. Do you see that as accurate if they are in fact innocent?

Competitive disadvantage? Really? This story was a big deal, but unless you were a part of their preparation, you really can't quantify it to the extent that you are. These guys don't listen to sports radio or watch NFL Live. Yes, when the story broke, it was on the Today Show and Good Morning America, etc., but this was not the lead story on the 6 o'clock news every evening like you see to be implying.

 

[sacase]

That's what makes my statement all the more significant. I am willing to say I am open minded and trust Ted Wells to do a good job. I will accept his analysis, for better or for worse. I am not like the cowards who will only accept the Wells Report if it fits their agenda.

If he says the Patriots engaged in wrongdoing, I will accept that. Are you willing to say that you will accept his investigation if he concludes they didn't? Or are you only going to accept things that fit your pre-conceived notions and personal agenda?

If someone else hired someone to do the investigation, I would trust it, but when the NFL hires a criminal defense attorney to run their investigation....yeah...no conflict of interest there buddy. He's not going to bite the hand that is paying him.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

But the Patriots get accused of a crime and the entire country loses its collective mind.

And yet you and your other screen name are the lone 2 sensible rational one's who are "in the know" and understand the truth . . . . .



Or maybe, just maybe, the entire country arent the one's living in a state of delusion and denial!

 

[Rogah]

No, hence the amount of attention I paid the story. I think I posted once when the story broke, and really have ignored it until I came in here a few days ago.



Competitive disadvantage? Really? This story was a big deal, but unless you were a part of their preparation, you really can't quantify it to the extent that you are. These guys don't listen to sports radio or watch NFL Live.

Gimme a break. It was a COLOSSAL distraction that both the head coach and quarterback had to deal with. If you can't understand the importance of a team having a good, distraction free environment in which to prepare for a game, then you don't know football.

Yes, when the story broke, it was on the Today Show and Good Morning America, etc., but this was not the lead story on the 6 o'clock news every evening like you see to be implying.

Actually yes it was. It led the national news for 4 days that first week. The press conferences were covered live by the major networks, not just ESPN.

 

[Rogah]

If someone else hired someone to do the investigation, I would trust it, but when the NFL hires a criminal defense attorney to run their investigation....yeah...no conflict of interest there buddy. He's not going to bite the hand that is paying him.

Well who is supposed to hire the guy? Do you want politicians to get involved? Should an Act of Congress be passed to look into the laws of physics deflating footballs?

 

[Rogah]

And yet you and your other screen name are the lone 2 sensible rational one's who are "in the know" and understand the truth . . . . .



Or maybe, just maybe, the entire country arent the one's living in a state of delusion and denial!

I got some bad news for you: The vast majority of "the entire country" will accept the Wells Report.

Promise me you won't get mad at me when I throw your own words back in your face.

 

[nathanlt]

The entire country knows that a random occurrence of only Patriots footballs is unlikely. It is a 1 in 8 million chance that the patriots are the victims of a random occurrence. If severe punishment is not delivered before the draft, the INTEGRITY of the game and the NFL brand is destroyed. It's a rotten example for the high school and college players to follow. Cheating is ok if you can buddy up to the commissioner. Crush the Patriots and take their trophy, it won't be too severe, in the least.

 

[Rogah]

The entire country knows that a random occurrence of only Patriots footballs is unlikely. It is a 1 in 8 million chance that the patriots are the victims of a random occurrence. If severe punishment is not delivered before the draft, the INTEGRITY of the game and the NFL brand is destroyed. It's a rotten example for the high school and college players to follow. Cheating is ok if you can buddy up to the commissioner. Crush the Patriots and take their trophy, it won't be too severe, in the least.

There is nothing "random" about the laws of physics.

The vast majority of fans will accept the Wells Report. Oh sure there will still be a couple angry, bitter, jealous holdouts.... but they will be the extreme minority, mocked and ridiculed by the rest of us.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

There is nothing "random" about the laws of physics.

The vast majority of fans will accept the Wells Report. Oh sure there will still be a couple angry, bitter, jealous holdouts.... but they will be the extreme minority, mocked and ridiculed by the rest of us.

Who is the rest of us? You act like there is some huge contingent of Patriot lovers on here. I count you & oh yea the Pats bandwagon guy.

You must be confusing this board with your Pats board.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I am asking you if you trust Ted Wells' integrity and investigative skills. My answer to that question is yes. Your answer apparently is to wait and see whether or not his report fits your narrative and pre-conceived, closed minded notions of what happened.

I don't know Ted Wells, just like I didn't know George Mitchell when he wrote the Mitchell Report. But when I read the Mitchell Report there were some serious holes and flawed logic. Mitchell was a Director for the Red Sox and there just happened to be no Red Sox players that were still on the Red Sox team cited in his report. The players he did cite the report had actual payment info on (checks, credit card statements, etc) except for the Yankees players (Clemens, Justice and Pettite).

In the end, I believe the players that were in the Mitchell Report were using PED's (although Justice has a case), but I don't believe that no Red Sox player used PED's, especially when Manny Ramirez tested positive twice and David Ortiz admitted to using PED's.

It was pretty obvious to me that George Mitchell had a large bias for the Red Sox and was willing to do whatever it took to name Yankees in his list while protecting the Red Sox. Also, no Brewers players were in the report, the team owned by Bud Selig. So Mitchell had little credibility with me.

If Wells uses the same type of logic and tact that Mitchell uses, then I can only be critical of his integrity with regards to this case. If not, then I can applaud his judgment.

Your bitterness makes victory all the more sweet. Like I said; being proven right is far more fun when I have people to gloat over. Don't ever change!

I guess.

I'm not the one that tried to tell a statistician that trend charts of fumble rates are actually correlations and therefore show no pattern because 'correlation does not imply causation' without knowing what that phrase means.

I'm also not the guy that praised Thomas Healy's work that showed a drop of 1.8 PSI and then when it was pointed out that would mean that the Colts' footballs would *have* to be out of the acceptable NFL range that said 'well, I think 1.8 is a bit high.'

Guess you just try to conjure up your victories which...well...says a lot.








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[nathanlt]

There is nothing "random" about the laws of physics.

The vast majority of fans will accept the Wells Report. Oh sure there will still be a couple angry, bitter, jealous holdouts.... but they will be the extreme minority, mocked and ridiculed by the rest of us.

Yes, if the Colts footballs were under inflated, too, then there would be no scandal. Because the laws of physics aren't random, an intentional act of inserting a needle into the football's deflation point to deflate it is the only reasonable explanation. You sound panicked.

 

[Rogah]

Who is the rest of us?

"The rest of us" being the vast majority of fans in the NFL.

If you think the typical fan is the angry, bitter type who won't accept the Wells Report, you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Rogah]

If Wells uses the same type of logic and tact that Mitchell uses, then I can only be critical of his integrity with regards to this case. If not, then I can applaud his judgment.

In other words, if his report fits your pre-conceived narrative and supports your agenda, then he is a man of integrity and honor. But if he comes out and says the Patriots are innocent, well then obviously he's just in on the cover-up.

I'm not the one that tried to tell a statistician that trend charts of fumble rates are actually correlations and therefore show no pattern because 'correlation does not imply causation' without knowing what that phrase means.

No, you're the one who claims to be a statistician but doesn't know what that phrase means. I'd say I feel sorry for your clients, but we both know you're full of crap and don't understand the first thing about statistical analysis.

Guess you just try to conjure up your victories which...well...says a lot.

I don't need to conjure up anything. I will accept the results of the Wells investigation, whether it exonerates the Patriots or condemns them. You don't care what the 14 week investigation says, nothing is going to change your closed mind.

 

[Rogah]

Yes, if the Colts footballs were under inflated, too, then there would be no scandal. Because the laws of physics aren't random, an intentional act of inserting a needle into the football's deflation point to deflate it is the only reasonable explanation. You sound panicked.

The only people who sound panicked are the ones trying to convince everyone that this is all just one big conspiracy and even Ted Wells is in on it. They know what's coming, so they are getting in their preemptive excuse making.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

"The rest of us" being the vast majority of fans in the NFL.

If you think the typical fan is the angry, bitter type who won't accept the Wells Report, you are sadly mistaken.

So you speak for the "vast majority" of NFL fans?

Uh ok. Good to know that. LMAO!

 

[Rogah]

So you speak for the "vast majority" of NFL fans?

Of course not. I'm just reporting to you the overall sentiment from around the league.

I'm right and you know it. The overwhelming majority of fans are going to accept the Wells Report. They're not a bunch of bitter, angry individuals so jealous of another team's success that it makes them lose their collective minds.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Of course not. I'm just reporting to you the overall sentiment from around the league.

I'm right and you know it. The overwhelming majority of fans are going to accept the Wells Report. They're not a bunch of bitter, angry individuals so jealous of another team's success that it makes them lose their collective minds.

And you know the overall sentiment from around the league how?

I don't know you are right but I do know your posts are funny as hell.

And that's what keeps me responding to you. You're funny with all your proclamations. And I love the jealous card you throw out post after post.

i'm a Cowboys fan. Why would I be jealous of another team? I have my own team that has a very rich history of winning.

 

[Rogah]

And you know the overall sentiment from around the league how?

I don't know you are right but I do know your posts are funny as hell.

And that's what keeps me responding to you. You're funny with all your proclamations. And I love the jealous card you throw out post after post.

i'm a Cowboys fan. Why would I be jealous of another team? I have my own team that has a very rich history of winning.

Most people are going to accept the Wells Report, for better or for worse.

I'm right and you know it.