Goose gives Dallas a D

DallasEast;1481042 said:
If you'll follow my example, keep bugging him about it. He won't directly answer your question, but, after a few hours, he will reply back to you. :)

judging from his posts so far, i may have to go ahead and pass on that. i've got enough stupidity in my life w/o my own problems of going out and looking for more in a convo with him.
 
Giving a grade to a draft that happened the last few days is pretty pathetic....you have to wait a few years...

This draft especially IMHO was a crapshoot after 1st round....so many times we were graded well and most players never panned out.

I didnt think this was a sexy draft by the boys....but did anyone have one? Maybe Clev...getting their OT and QB....but they gave up next yrs 1st to make that happen.

To me this seemed to be a very boring draft....I really didnt see much difference in players from the mid 2nd to the 6th rd.....IMHO.

For me....this draft was...Spencer...next yrs #1 and improving the OL which I think they did.

The #1 next yr is a big plus....could and hopefully be a top 10 or Top 5.....a difference maker will be there.
 
eduncan22;1480829 said:
Thank you.

It's nice to know, I'm not alone. :cool:

I noticed you had Eisner's video in your photo signature. It still shows the Cowboys as having a "need" at linebacker. Since Anthony Spencer is going to be converted to linebacker, wouldn't that need have been filled? :confused:
 
DallasEast;1481000 said:
A team can have a quality draft and not pick slam dunks at every selection. You failed to mention Spencer, Martens or Free. Why?


I like that pick. Spencer is a great pick.

The OL's are ok.
 
Every year so many people get excited or mad depending on how the Goose's and Kiper's of the world graded our draft. That is so ridiculous. We've been given good grades when we've drafted some of the worst players in our history and average grades when we've drafted some of the best players in our history.

When we all know the vast majority of all the players drafted by all the teams will make little, if any, impact in the league why in the heck does anyone care what a media guy says about any team's draft?


My question is does anyone ever re-visit the draft grades given out the day after the draft and check the gurus to see how their grades look after a few years?
 
who cares. Anyone think the team cares?

We didnt have a 2 or a 5 and reached in the first pick of the 4th.

Its okay. We got guys who are going to help us.

I understand gooses grade. It doesnt bother me at all this year though because we have that extra 1 next year, we got a pass rusher which makes our defense mucho versatile. And we may have grabbed a guy who can play in a multitude of formations for us on offense.

I can see stanback as a menace in the redzone lining up wide and going in motion, taking snaps from under center or lining up as a back in a full house set.

So I understand gosselins grade, I dont think for a second he hates dallas or has an agenda. Its just the way he grades it out. Not a big deal to me.
 
Adam is of course exactly right. You have to understand the moronic way he comes up with the grade.

In addition, I think it is flawed to rank players 1-100 and then grade teams based on which players they got in that group. A 3-4 team should have a completely different board then say a 4-3 team. Each team has to draft players that fit its system.

For instance on some 4-3 teams, Anthony Spencer could have been the 60th player on their board and rightfully so, however its plausible that Spencer could have been the 15th player on the Cowboys board, because he fits as a tweener in the 3-4. For Dallas, he was a good pick at 26. For someone else he may not have been.
 
dbair1967;1481046 said:
going by HIS top-100...we drafted 3 of HIS top-100, with only TWO first day picks

and he gave us a D

so is he saying his top-100 sux?

David
And that's AFTER we traded out of the second round. Twice. Very good point.
 
I actually agree. I think Dallas did horrible in the draft. I love the Cowboys and now that these players are Cowboys I will root like crazy for them. That being said, I think our owner did the team a disservice this weekend.

I honestly feel that Jerry is so in love with the image of him being a "wheeler and dealer" or a "gambler" that it causes him to make some silly draft mistakes. There were players that we passed on that I think many of us will be on this board discussing for years to come.

I like the fact that we got what will hopefully be a high pick from Cleveland next year. Unfortunately, next year's draft (at this time) looks very weak.

I do not like the Spencer pick and I really don't feel we needed to trade up to get him. I watched him a lot at the combine. I remember because he had a ridiculous mohawk. When they put him in the linebacker drills where he had to drop back and cover he looked pretty bad. He seemed very uncomfortable and not at all athletic IMO. A 3-4 OLB does not blitz on every play. They have to cover. I hope I'm wrong here and Spencer becomes a demon for us.

The offensive linemen look to be safe picks. I really thought there were players available that could have helped us in what should be a Superbowl run this year. Marten and Free are, at best, starters down the road.

I'd be very interested if they polled the other 31 NFL GM's and see how many of them thought Stanbeck was a 4th round pick.

Let's hope that Anthony Henry bounces back this year because we did absolutely nothing to insure teams don't continue to throw opposite Newman and light Henry up. Also, pray that Jason Ferguson doesn't get hurt because we do not have a quality back-up.

We went into this draft with 3 areas of need.. WR, CB, and NT. Here it is, post-draft weeekend and we still have those same 3 needs.

I have 2 (football) wishes every year....1. That the Dallas Cowboys win the Super Bowl and 2. That Jerry Jones hires a qualified General Manager.
 
Chris in SoCal;1481111 said:
I do not like the Spencer pick

All I needed to hear. Sorry you are not happy with the draft ..... I loved it.
 
eduncan22;1481056 said:
I like that pick. Spencer is a great pick.

The OL's are ok.

"If Spencer is that kind of player, I hope he starts right away.

I doubt that he is, though. If he was, why was he around at # 22?"

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1478471&postcount=33



C'mon, man. Stick to your ideals. Yesterday, it was, "You doubt that he's 'that kind of player', but now it's, "Like the pick" and "It's a great pick"? You're flip-flopping worse than a politician's campaign promise. :rolleyes:
 
eduncan22;1481056 said:
"If Spencer is that kind of player, I hope he starts right away.

I doubt that he is, though. If he was, why was he around at # 22?"

Yet you wanted us to take a Corner or Quinn with that same #22 pick ..... why were they still around at that pick?

:lmao2: you are one confused little guy, huh buddy?
 
I dont understand all the Jerry Jones hate...

I really dont.....Bill missed out on a few players ....whiffed badly on two OL that were drafted pretty high.....but he is praised.

Considering this draft was one of the weakest in recent yrs.....how can u not like getting a top 10 pick next yr.....and giving up a 3rd and 5th to do it....un heard of....but u just cant please everyone I guess.

It wasnt a great draft..but Jerry did get us a player rated in the 1st rd and will be a difference maker IMHO more so then Carpenter will and that was Bill's pick.

IMHO Spencer will have more of a impact than both Spears and Carpenter will in their carreers and we also got a 1st round pick by trading down.

I thought Jerry did a pretty good job.....taking a kicker was my only gripe...but this draft was poor on talent IMHO....
 
Mash;1481163 said:
I dont understand all the Jerry Jones hate...

I really dont.....Bill missed out on a few players ....whiffed badly on two OL that were drafted pretty high.....but he is praised.

Considering this draft was one of the weakest in recent yrs.....how can u not like getting a top 10 pick next yr.....and giving up a 3rd and 5th to do it....un heard of....but u just cant please everyone I guess.

It wasnt a great draft..but Jerry did get us a player rated in the 1st rd and will be a difference maker IMHO more so then Carpenter will and that was Bill's pick.

IMHO Spencer will have more of a impact than both Spears and Carpenter will in their carreers and we also got a 1st round pick by trading down.

I thought Jerry did a pretty good job.....taking a kicker was my only gripe...but this draft was poor on talent IMHO....

maybe it's me, but because of the weak draft, i'm glad we did take a kicker. why reach for someone who's likely not be drafted in any other year when we can try to at least solidify a problem area we've had for a long long time.
 
AdamJT13;1480774 said:
Gosselin's idiotic draft grades are based on a flawed formula -- he simply takes the average rating of all of the players you select, then converts that to a letter grade. He doesn't take into account where the picks that you have are and the comparative value that you get out of those picks. So if you have very few first-day picks and lots of second-day picks, you're going to get a low grade. And he doesn't take into account trading for future draft picks, either.
Agree.
Also if you read the article about the dissappearing 2nd round...this draft had a dramatic dropoff after a certain spot in the first round. In other words the back side in the draft is where the real value was and not so much in the first part of the draft.
Gosselin's top 100 vs the strength of the draft in a particular year.
 
Chris in SoCal;1481111 said:
I actually agree. I think Dallas did horrible in the draft. I love the Cowboys and now that these players are Cowboys I will root like crazy for them. That being said, I think our owner did the team a disservice this weekend.

I honestly feel that Jerry is so in love with the image of him being a "wheeler and dealer" or a "gambler" that it causes him to make some silly draft mistakes. There were players that we passed on that I think many of us will be on this board discussing for years to come.
Since people are still (strongly) discussing the merits of not drafting Randy Moss, that's a given, but the arguments that hold substance are those that involve players who were actually drafted like Quincy Carter. The shoulda, woulda, coulda's discussions based on players who contributed zlitch to a team are as valid as pouring a glass of water in a lake. One can't know the 'what ifs'--only the 'what happened'.
Chris in SoCal;1481111 said:
I like the fact that we got what will hopefully be a high pick from Cleveland next year. Unfortunately, next year's draft (at this time) looks very weak.

I do not like the Spencer pick and I really don't feel we needed to trade up to get him. I watched him a lot at the combine. I remember because he had a ridiculous mohawk. When they put him in the linebacker drills where he had to drop back and cover he looked pretty bad. He seemed very uncomfortable and not at all athletic IMO. A 3-4 OLB does not blitz on every play. They have to cover. I hope I'm wrong here and Spencer becomes a demon for us.
On the one hand, you like the '08 pick--even though you don't know what player we might land. On the other hand, you don't like a player who some has been touted as a solid choice for a 3-4 linebacker?

:huh:
Chris in SoCal;1481111 said:
The offensive linemen look to be safe picks. I really thought there were players available that could have helped us in what should be a Superbowl run this year. Marten and Free are, at best, starters down the road.
We were a bobbled "Rub some dirt on it Romo!" snap from reaching the divisional round last season WITHOUT Martens and Free. Now, we could have a pair of tackles who will contribute down the line? Is our goal to win the Super Bowl this season and not insure the foundation of the offensive line to make Super Bowl runs afterwards? Are we hedging our bets on Adams for years to come? Is quality depth a bad concept?

Questions. Questions.
Chris in SoCal;1481111 said:
I'd be very interested if they polled the other 31 NFL GM's and see how many of them thought Stanbeck was a 4th round pick.
Good question. Let's ask them after he has a chance to show his multiple skills on the field. Every fourth rounder doesn't have to be automatically labeled a Skyler Green, right?
Chris in SoCal;1481111 said:
Let's hope that Anthony Henry bounces back this year because we did absolutely nothing to insure teams don't continue to throw opposite Newman and light Henry up. Also, pray that Jason Ferguson doesn't get hurt because we do not have a quality back-up.
Partially agree on the Ferguson comment, but we did insure that we added a weapon that, if used properly, will increase quarterback hurries and help our secondary by causing him to make poor passing decisions.

That weapon was drafted in the first round.
Chris in SoCal;1481111 said:
We went into this draft with 3 areas of need.. WR, CB, and NT. Here it is, post-draft weeekend and we still have those same 3 needs.
I agree with The Huddle Report on two of the three needs you mentioned: WR and CB. NT, while I agree NT is a huge concern, it was not a high priority need, it was a low priority need.

At WR, Jones is taking a risk with Stanback. If he pans out, the team has a quality receiver who can stretch the field like Glenn. Problem solved after the wait-and-see period--which we must give him.

Cornerback was addressed in the later rounds. The need has been filled according to the philosophy that a strong pass defense is predicated upon a strong pass rush. Courtney Brown may push Henry as the starter. He might not, but it will not matter if Wade Phillips cannot devise a defense which will put enough pressure on the passer to keep him from having all day to find an open receiver! Even Deion Sanders in his prime needed help from his teammates on the LOS. Just saying.
Chris in SoCal;1481111 said:
I have 2 (football) wishes every year....1. That the Dallas Cowboys win the Super Bowl and 2. That Jerry Jones hires a qualified General Manager.
1. That's what all Cowboy fans desire.

2. You're living in a fantasy world if you believe that Jones will relinquish his role as general manager anytime soon. We live in the real world. Come back to it.
 
LOL, doesn't everyone know by now that Gosselin loves to bash the Cowboys at any possible opportunity?

And I've heard him say before that he puts by far the most emphasis on the second day -- his thinking being that anyone can draft on Day One, and it's the second day that separates teams.

So I think the Stanback pick was a huge reason why he graded us down. He considered that a big reach. Or at least, that's what he'll claim.

In his mind it doesn't matter if Spencer becomes a Hall of Famer and Ted Ginn busts. It doesn't matter if we traded a 3 and a 5 for Darren McFadden. It's all about the late round players who might not even make the team.

Isn't that brilliant?
 
you think Goose is bad, Bayless on Cold Pizza just said we had the worst draft of anyone in the league. saying we shouldnt have passed on Quinn, cause everyone has figured out "Tony Romeo"
 
CowboyChris;1481297 said:
you think Goose is bad, Bayless on Cold Pizza just said we had the worst draft of anyone in the league. saying we shouldnt have passed on Quinn, cause everyone has figured out "Tony Romeo"

Skip Bayless has hated us since Troy rebuked his "advances" ....

;)
 

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