Gordon vs Coleman

[Hardline]

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I thought it would be interesting since both were from the Big 10 to compare Gordon and Coleman vs like opponents.

Here's the breakdown:

Bowling Green:
Gordon: 13/253 19.5 ypc 5 TDs
Coleman: 24/190 7.9 ypc 3 TDs

Maryland:
Gordon: 22/122 5.5 ypc 3 TDs
Coleman: 22/122 5.5 ypc 1 TD

Rutgers:
Gordon: 19/128 6.7 ypc 2 TDs
Coleman: 32/307 9.6 ypc 1 TD

Purdue:
Gordon: 25/205 8.2 ypc 1 TD
Coleman: 29/130 4.5 ypc 0 TD

Iowa:
Gordon: 31/200 6.5 ypc 2 TDs
Coleman: 15/219 14.6 ypc 3 TDs

Ohio St:
Gordon: 26/76 2.9 ypc 0 TD
Coleman: 27/228 8.4 ypc 3 TDs

Totals:
Gordon: 136/984 7.2 ypc 13 TDs
Coleman: 149/1196 8.0 ypc 11TDs


Obviously different players, different teams, but based "solely" on like opponents Coleman matches up very favorably and in some instances exceeded Gordon.

 

[fishspill]

Eh, I still like Gordon more. Seems to be an even breakdown from those on the board. I like the fact they both seem like good guys to have on your team as men. I think they both work incredibly hard and don't make waves in the room. Can't completely hate either of them.

 

[DFWJC]

I've said all along if I can somehow get Coleman with our 2nd, I'd take it all day vas Gordon in the 1st.
Really, I think both would do fine in our scheme, with our, and our passing game. Most backs would.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Here's the thing about Coleman, he ran almost exclusively out of the shotgun and either ran a sweep or read option most of the time. When you watch his game highlights (not just highlight compilations, but full games), he shows very little elusiveness in the hole. Because of the read option or sweep, and Coleman's speed, he had alot of big plays where he burst straight ahead through a wide lane. Except for those plays, I see a RB who runs tall and slows down in order to make defenders miss in the hole. I just dont know how Coleman's game translates to the NFL.

 

[Aven8]

I stole this from another Cowboy forum. Credit to Bayou-Cowboy at Cowboys-Forum.com
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I thought it would be interesting since both were from the Big 10 to compare Gordon and Coleman vs like opponents.

Here's the breakdown:

Bowling Green:
Gordon: 13/253 19.5 ypc 5 TDs
Coleman: 24/190 7.9 ypc 3 TDs

Maryland:
Gordon: 22/122 5.5 ypc 3 TDs
Coleman: 22/122 5.5 ypc 1 TD

Rutgers:
Gordon: 19/128 6.7 ypc 2 TDs
Coleman: 32/307 9.6 ypc 1 TD

Purdue:
Gordon: 25/205 8.2 ypc 1 TD
Coleman: 29/130 4.5 ypc 0 TD

Iowa:
Gordon: 31/200 6.5 ypc 2 TDs
Coleman: 15/219 14.6 ypc 3 TDs

Ohio St:
Gordon: 26/76 2.9 ypc 0 TD
Coleman: 27/228 8.4 ypc 3 TDs

Totals:
Gordon: 136/984 7.2 ypc 13 TDs
Coleman: 149/1196 8.0 ypc 11TDs


Obviously different players, different teams, but based "solely" on like opponents Coleman matches up very favorably and in some instances exceeded Gordon.

I look at these stats and say, why the hell have I not been watching the big 10 network!

Amazing stats.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I stole this from another Cowboy forum. Credit to Bayou-Cowboy at Cowboys-Forum.com
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I thought it would be interesting since both were from the Big 10 to compare Gordon and Coleman vs like opponents.

Here's the breakdown:

Bowling Green:
Gordon: 13/253 19.5 ypc 5 TDs
Coleman: 24/190 7.9 ypc 3 TDs

Maryland:
Gordon: 22/122 5.5 ypc 3 TDs
Coleman: 22/122 5.5 ypc 1 TD

Rutgers:
Gordon: 19/128 6.7 ypc 2 TDs
Coleman: 32/307 9.6 ypc 1 TD

Purdue:
Gordon: 25/205 8.2 ypc 1 TD
Coleman: 29/130 4.5 ypc 0 TD

Iowa:
Gordon: 31/200 6.5 ypc 2 TDs
Coleman: 15/219 14.6 ypc 3 TDs

Ohio St:
Gordon: 26/76 2.9 ypc 0 TD
Coleman: 27/228 8.4 ypc 3 TDs

Totals:
Gordon: 136/984 7.2 ypc 13 TDs
Coleman: 149/1196 8.0 ypc 11TDs


Obviously different players, different teams, but based "solely" on like opponents Coleman matches up very favorably and in some instances exceeded Gordon.

I would personally draft Coleman ahead of Gordon, but my reasoning is that Coleman ia a 3 Down player and IMO Gordon isnt much better if at all as a runner then Coleman to compensate for that.

If Im investing a first round pick on a HB. I dont want to have to pull him in favor of an infirio player in passing situations

 

[xwalker]

I stole this from another Cowboy forum. Credit to Bayou-Cowboy at Cowboys-Forum.com
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I thought it would be interesting since both were from the Big 10 to compare Gordon and Coleman vs like opponents.

Here's the breakdown:

Bowling Green:
Gordon: 13/253 19.5 ypc 5 TDs
Coleman: 24/190 7.9 ypc 3 TDs

Maryland:
Gordon: 22/122 5.5 ypc 3 TDs
Coleman: 22/122 5.5 ypc 1 TD

Rutgers:
Gordon: 19/128 6.7 ypc 2 TDs
Coleman: 32/307 9.6 ypc 1 TD

Purdue:
Gordon: 25/205 8.2 ypc 1 TD
Coleman: 29/130 4.5 ypc 0 TD

Iowa:
Gordon: 31/200 6.5 ypc 2 TDs
Coleman: 15/219 14.6 ypc 3 TDs

Ohio St:
Gordon: 26/76 2.9 ypc 0 TD
Coleman: 27/228 8.4 ypc 3 TDs

Totals:
Gordon: 136/984 7.2 ypc 13 TDs
Coleman: 149/1196 8.0 ypc 11TDs


Obviously different players, different teams, but based "solely" on like opponents Coleman matches up very favorably and in some instances exceeded Gordon.

Yes, and there is no doubt that Gordon had a better OLine.

The Ohio State game was very concerning for Gordon. He runs all over the Bowling Greens of the world, but then when he meets up with the big boys at Ohio State he has a 2.9 ypc and zero TDs.

Combine that with the fact that his fumble rate for his college career was terrible, and he might be a little over-hyped.

 

[waving monkey]

If we can't get Coleman in a slight trade down would you take him at 27.
I'm thinking he wont last to the 60 slot

 

[xwalker]

If we can't get Coleman in a slight trade down would you take him at 27.
I'm thinking he wont last to the 60 slot

With Ajayi's knee issue, Coleman has to be the #3 RB. I've seen rumors that some NFL teams like him better than Gordon.

It seems like I've seen a 1000 mocks that have him at #60, but I don't see any possibility of that happening. That would mean that only 2 RBs were drafted in the top 59.

 

[Fredd]

Yes, and there is no doubt that Gordon had a better OLine.

The Ohio State game was very concerning for Gordon. He runs all over the Bowling Greens of the world, but then when he meets up with the big boys at Ohio State he has a 2.9 ypc and zero TDs.

Combine that with the fact that his fumble rate for his college career was terrible, and he might be a little over-hyped.

that is exactly what jumped out to me...Gordon couldn't run against OSU, Coleman went nuts (high-level look, I didn't watch the game, but the stats are ridiculous)

 

[Gaede]

I'd take either player. But this is a good post. Perhaps Coleman should be ranked above Gordon. He is so similar to Murray coming out of college it's ridiculous. Even down to perceived weaknesses of not being able to run between the tackles.

In any case, I view Coleman as in the same tier as Gordon and Gurley.

 

[JBS]

With Ajayi's knee issue, Coleman has to be the #3 RB. I've seen rumors that some NFL teams like him better than Gordon.

It seems like I've seen a 1000 mocks that have him at #60, but I don't see any possibility of that happening. That would mean that only 2 RBs were drafted in the top 59.

I've also seen rumors that some teams like Gordon better than Gurley...big deal...

 

[Plankton]

I'd take either player. But this is a good post. Perhaps Coleman should be ranked above Gordon. He is so similar to Murray coming out of college it's ridiculous. Even down to perceived weaknesses of not being able to run between the tackles.

In any case, I view Coleman as in the same tier as Gordon and Gurley.

The concerning thing about Coleman is that he has a bad tendency of stopping his legs from moving when he has contact with defenders. In a lot of ways, he is a Darren McFadden clone in terms of style, but without the elite gear.

 

[Brooksey]

that is exactly what jumped out to me...Gordon couldn't run against OSU, Coleman went nuts (high-level look, I didn't watch the game, but the stats are ridiculous)

Two different games, this is simply not true at all. Gordon faced a stacked box against Ohio St. in a blowout and Coleman played against a nickel/base all day in a close game. Coleman also had a 95 yard run (untouched great block).

Neither back did squat when hit behind the line of scrimmage. I like both backs but comparing backs by their Ohio St. stats is lacking insight.

 

[theogt]

Garrett wants tough inside runners. Coleman is the opposite of that. Regardless of whether someone likes Coleman better, he does not seem to fit what this team wants. From a pure experimental standpoint I'd love to see what Coleman would do with our O-line. He has more upside than Gordon but also more downside. Call me risk averse, but I wouldn't take a gamble like that.

 

[Bullflop]

Gordon should be unavailable by pick # 27. If the Cowboys are serious about getting Coleman, they'll probably need to trade down to early in round two to get him. I'd be more than pleased to see that happen. He's a gem. Bear in mind that Coleman earned his keep operating behind a far inferior OL than the one Gordon benefitted by. That's nothing to take for granted.

 

[Hardline]

Coleman has definitely moved up my draft board. I would take him over Gordon now. And would seriously consider selecting him with the 27th pick assuming Gurley is off the board.
I have no doubt Coleman is a very late first to early second round pick at this point.

 

[CATCH17]

For me... I've moved David Johnson as my #3 RB behind Gurley and Gordon.


Is David Johnson the 3rd best RB today? No. But his physical ability is so good that he will surpass most of these guys.

What an athlete that guy is.

 

[theogt]

Gordon should be unavailable by pick # 27. If the Cowboys are serious about getting Coleman, they'll probably need to trade down to early in round two to get him. I'd be more than pleased to see that happen. He's a gem. Bear in mind that Coleman earned his keep operating behind a far inferior OL than the one Gordon benefitted by. That's nothing to take for granted.

Theres very little chance Gordon will be there at 27.

 

[locked&loaded]

Here's the thing about Coleman, he ran almost exclusively out of the shotgun and either ran a sweep or read option most of the time. When you watch his game highlights (not just highlight compilations, but full games), he shows very little elusiveness in the hole. Because of the read option or sweep, and Coleman's speed, he had alot of big plays where he burst straight ahead through a wide lane. Except for those plays, I see a RB who runs tall and slows down in order to make defenders miss in the hole. I just dont know how Coleman's game translates to the NFL.

This, all of it, painfully accurate.