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john van brocklin

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B. He has the offense humming, especially compared to with Rush. Needs to cut down on the turnovers which historically haven’t been an issue throughout his career.
You bring up a valid point:
Turnovers are usally a strength of Dak's game.
He has done well protecting the ball in the past.
Don't understand why its all of the sudden becoming an issue for him?
Is he trying to do too much ?
 

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country

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I don't get the hammering on Moore. He has been the OC for 4 years.

For 3 of those years, the Cowboys had the #1 offense in the league (this year it is since Dak returned).

The one year that wasn't was the year Dak got hurt.

Most teams would love to have an OC with that kind of track record.
Everyone has their faults or shortcomings. His play calling does not making the defense defend the whole field. It's just that simple.

Zeke doesn't have a good stiff-arm.
Dak throws low arching fastballs.
Non of the WR have blazing speed.
See....faults or shortcomings.
But the problem with Moore is he can be too predictable at times.
 

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The “loaded roster” thing always strikes me as odd. Obviously the defense is great but do you honestly believe Dak has a great group of WRs?

Looking at the NFC playoffs teams, outside of the Giants, the Cowboys have the worst WR corp in the league and it’s not even debatable IMO. Like not even close.

Eagles (AJ and Devonta)
49ers (Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle)
Hawks (DK and Lockett)
Vikings (JJ and Thielen)
Bucs (Evans and Godwin)

I remember Romo was asked what he wanted when he was due to leave the Cowboys and he effectively said a great defense.

Lamb and Gallup are a decent pairing. 1st and 2nd round draft picks. Not amazing but there's only so much of the pie to go around. Although I have been consistent in stating the front office made a bad decision to let go of Cooper.

With that being said other quarterbacks would be delighted to have this Cowboys offensive line, running game and these receivers as the overall package with an elite defense on top of that. For me that's a loaded roster when the QB is earning an average of $40 million a year in a salary cap era.
 

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You bring up a valid point:
Turnovers are usally a strength of Dak's game.
He has done well protecting the ball in the past.
Don't understand why its all of the sudden becoming an issue for him?
Is he trying to do too much ?
UMMMMMMMM we touched on this some over trust in his WRs to throw to spot and they run the wrong route, that 3 of them, 2 of them were the DB running into and interfering with the wr with No call, and one was tipped at the line. the others are on him..Dak been more willing this year to throw to spot , anticipate where a WR going to be and a few times that backfired.

remember when Farve and PManning led the league a lot in INTS? no one cared much because they were being aggressive and winning., we are 9-3 lets leave it there. let me know which INT since hes been back that actually led directly to a LOSS? none that i saw..

you do realize Stafford LED the league last year with 17 and won a sb.. daks having some bad luck with them this year and that happens. not concerned one bit rather have an aggressive QB putting up points then one that limited and scared to throw and get to 20 is struggle.. We already see a marked improve over the bus driver in Rush and Dak..

I mean Allen had some stretches with similar INT issues. its not always just the QB.. can we see it for what it is and move on.im not concerned.
 

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I don't get the hammering on Moore. He has been the OC for 4 years.

For 3 of those years, the Cowboys had the #1 offense in the league (this year it is since Dak returned).

It is a dadgum conundrum!! I don't think there is a single Cowboy fan that doesn't question some of what Moore does ... but at the end of the day something is working. :huh:
 

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I remember Romo was asked what he wanted when he was due to leave the Cowboys and he effectively said a great defense.

Lamb and Gallup are a decent pairing. 1st and 2nd round draft picks. Not amazing but there's only so much of the pie to go around. Although I have been consistent in stating the front office made a bad decision to let go of Cooper.

With that being said other quarterbacks would be delighted to have this Cowboys offensive line, running game and these receivers as the overall package with an elite defense on top of that. For me that's a loaded roster when the QB is earning an average of $40 million a year in a salary cap era.

Lamb and Gallup would’ve been a good pairing if not for the injury. MG is clearly not the same dude…(he was a 3rd rounder) he is really struggling to get separation and almost every catch seems contested. He adds value in the redzone but he isn’t the player he used to be and our pass O is taking a big hit for it.

Cooper would make a WORLD of difference…still mad about that one.

And sure, non playoff teams would happily trade with our offensive roster. I’d bet all the playoff QBs in the NFC would take their offensive groups ahead of ours in a second.
 

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Lamb and Gallup would’ve been a good pairing if not for the injury. MG is clearly not the same dude…(he was a 3rd rounder) he is really struggling to get separation and almost every catch seems contested. He adds value in the redzone but he isn’t the player he used to be and our pass O is taking a big hit for it.

Cooper would make a WORLD of difference…still mad about that one.

And sure, non playoff teams would happily trade with our offensive roster. I’d bet all the playoff QBs in the NFC would take their offensive groups ahead of ours in a second.
But the playoff QBs in the NFC wouldn't trade the offense starting midfield because of defensively turnovers than on their own 10 yard line.

The mistake we agree on was not keeping Cooper but again most fans said it immediately after it happened. Even his presence helped create separation for the others.
 

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But the playoff QBs in the NFC wouldn't trade the offense starting midfield because of defensively turnovers than on their own 10 yard line.

The mistake we agree on was not keeping Cooper but again most fans said it immediately after it happened. Even his presence helped create separation for the others.

How often do we start at midfield? Sure the defense is good, but can you reference anything that indicates our offense starting field position is significantly better than others due to turnovers? The D is very good, but I’ll hold judgement until they show me something on the road in the playoffs.

Feel like we’ve gotten off topic a bit from my point. The main point is in comparison to other NFC playoff teams we’re at the bottom of the bunch as it relates to WR talent.

If the opposing teams sell out to stop the run, I think we’ll have tough sledding.
 

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The Cowboys against bad teams are a well oiled machine. They can beat you with the pass or the run. Against playoff teams they are one dimensional. If they aren't running the ball well they cant beat you with the pass.
Dak was awful tight against that Colts defense the other night. I would say he gets a C grade.

Just checking….are the Giants and Vikings playoff teams? The Vikings game felt pretty complete to me and not one dimensional at all.
 

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How often do we start at midfield? Sure the defense is good, but can you reference anything that indicates our offense starting field position is significantly better than others due to turnovers? The D is very good, but I’ll hold judgement until they show me something on the road in the playoffs.

Feel like we’ve gotten off topic a bit from my point. The main point is in comparison to other NFC playoff teams we’re at the bottom of the bunch as it relates to WR talent.

If the opposing teams sell out to stop the run, I think we’ll have tough sledding.
I was jazzing the offense up starting at midfield but making the point that due to the defense the offense has it a lot better in terms of starting position and turnovers this season and last.

How many other teams would take our o line and running game? The overall offensive package coupled with the elite defense is right up there with the best in the league.

If opposing teams sell out to stop the run then it's up to Prescott, Moore and the receivers to make them pay.
 

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I was jazzing the offense up starting at midfield but making the point that due to the defense the offense has it a lot better in terms of starting position and turnovers this season and last.

How many other teams would take our o line and running game? The overall offensive package coupled with the elite defense is right up there with the best in the league.

If opposing teams sell out to stop the run then it's up to Prescott, Moore and the receivers to make them pay.

Teams would love our OL for run blocking and our run game. But they’d also want to be balanced - so would want nothing to do with our WR room.

Your last paragraph is my whole point…if they put attention on Lamb who’s making them pay? We have ZERO WRs that strike any fear into opposing DBs outside of Lamb.
 

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He’s having a strong year, complementing the defense well… but His #1 attribute throughout his career has always ball security. The turnovers this year are peculiar and very unlike him

B

The struggles from this year are nothing like last year and it has me so excited. Last year, all teams had to do was show single high safety and then switch to two deep safeties and we were sunk. This year we’re seeing shallow crossers and slants. This year we’re running when we see two high safety looks, no matter how many we see in the box. We’re having success running the ball and it doesn’t matter the situation. It keeps drives alive and gives Kellen and Dak more chances to be creative and come up with chunk play options. Last year, the offense was missing the short passing game. This year, we have learned the value of picking up 5 years on a pass play by design. It’s been so exciting to watch.

Now all we need is to avoid those unnecessary heat check turnovers by Dak. No need to be too aggressive. I think James Washington might give Dak that option he needs to satisfy that aggressive tight window throw itch that he gets a couple times a game. Washington has shown the ability to body up and snag that thing since he’s days at OSU. I think he and Tyron complete the offense.
 

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I'll give him a B- right now. S*** the bed the first game and is playing better since his return. He's thrown some picks but at least he's throwing more confidently and decisively.
 

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A-

IMO, all he needs to be the best QB in the league and an A+ plus grade from me, is to be better at reading a zone coverage. That's his weakness.

I said what I said. ;)
 

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He has his shaky moments, but to say he's total crap and hasn't done anything for the offense is being disingenuous, IMO.
We should have won the Packers game. That's the one that really is going to bite us in the butt. And although we had a 28-14 lead going to the 4th quarter, and many want to blame the defense, you're making $40 million a year.
Even when the defense is slumping, you've got to keep scoring because your pay says you're the most important player on the team so you MUST step up and do what is necessary to win.
A victory against the Packers would have moved my grade to an A.
 
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