Grading out the Rooks

[LatinMind]

RD1 Travis Fredrickou can see him open alot.
He was the guy from day one that solidified the middle of the OL. Had the strength to stand up to bigger DTs and suprised everybody in the ability to get to the 2nd level and block Lbers and at times even get to the 3rd level and take out a safety. But we did see the difference from college to an NFL season. Fredrick looked like he got tired towards the end of the yr. Draft Day Cowboys fans especially in this forum were calling this a monumental bust and reach. How is that sitting for you nasayers?

Grade A-

RD2 Gavin Escober
I think this was a good pick, Its just sad that this coaching staff dont seem to want to play younger talent on this team unless injuries arrive. You could see he had a knack for getting open when he was on the field. Thats the key prase "when he was on the field". Towards the end of the yr he was on the field and he got open all the time but for whatever reason Romo never went to him.

Grade C-

RD3 Terrance Williams
Great pick, will team up for Dez for years to come. Showed he is a solid #2 but does drop passes because he doesnt catch the ball with his hands but lets it hit his body. Good route running but needs to work on coming back to the ball when his Qb is in trouble.

Grade B+

RD3 J.J wilcox
I said this from the time he was drafted, Bad pick. Because the Cowboys already had a Wilcox and that was Barry Church. Wilcox is a hitter but has little range. Worse then Church. He couldnt even get heath off the field and heath was bad.

Grade F

RD4 BW Webb
Another pick that made you scratch your head. Small school kid that flashed athletic ability but still was a small school kid that saw inferior talent. And in the NFL playing a spot that the NFL limits on what they can do. This was a bad pick and it showed.

Grade D

RD5 Joseph Randle
He just doesnt do anything well. He's avg but he needs to develop. You can see he will turn into a decent RB but never a starter. He will be a guy who can spot start if need or go into a game to spell your starter. Decent pick for a 5th round guy.

Grade C-

RD6 Devonte Holloman
He couldnt stay on the field. And he has a bad knee so who knows how much he can give you or how long his career will be. But Dallas found a guy who can backup any of the 3 LBer spots. And the best spot for him will probably be in the middle. Solid depth guy

Grade B-

UDFA Jeff Heath
He wasnt supposed to start. He was supposed to be a practice squad guy and next yr probably a ST guy. But injuries brought him along faster then what they probably wanted. Atleast you know what you have in Heath. Going to be a special teams stud, and a solid backup. More Depth

Grade C

Dallas had a decent draft but really lost in the 2nd RD3 and RD4 picks. Those two were some bad pick. I understand why they picked them because they had needs in those spots but they were just bad fits.

Hindsight 20/20
RD3 A pick that Dallas could've used more came the pick following the Wilcox pick
Damontre Moore DE

 

[Crown Royal]

Wilcox seemed much better before his injury than after. I'll remain patient on that pick. This team is not great at picking defensive backs it seems.

 

[Risen Star]

Yeah, we should have taken DeMontre Moore.

But we also should have taken Larry Warford. The Escobar pick was the worst pick of what looks like a pretty solid draft class. Especially for this team.

 

[jterrell]

I think you are very wrong on Wilcox. He was a small school guy that was never going to meet year 1 expectations. He was clueless out there but at least had natural coverage skills that Heath lacked.

He was bad this year but a mediocre not bad pick with a bright upside IMHO.

Escobar and TWill should both flourish next year. They flashed big play potential but both need to add reliability.

This was a very strong draft class. Hopefully we can hit this mark again.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Seems like your "grade" of Wilcox is colored by your preconceived bais against him.

 

[LatinMind]

I think you are very wrong on Wilcox. He was a small school guy that was never going to meet year 1 expectations. He was clueless out there but at least had natural coverage skills that Heath lacked.

He was bad this year but a mediocre not bad pick with a bright upside IMHO.

Escobar and TWill should both flourish next year. They flashed big play potential but both need to add reliability.

This was a very strong draft class. Hopefully we can hit this mark again.

I see the same person church is in wilcox. Wilcox might have more talent but he didnt show it. Maybe next yr

 

[LatinMind]

Seems like your "grade" of Wilcox is colored by your preconceived bais against him.

No its based on he was healthy but could never force the coaches to get heath off the field. And heath was bad.

 

[JBS]

Wilcox was an awful pick. Worse than Escobar. And Escobar was a bad pick too.

Fred and Williams were excellent picks.

 

[LatinMind]

Wilcox was an awful pick. Worse than Escobar. And Escobar was a bad pick too.

Fred and Williams were excellent picks.

Escobar is going to start for Dallas in a couple yrs. Broaddus Mickey and Rowan were talking about this yesterday. They think witten is nearing the end of his career. They said they dont see him the type of guy to drag out his career.

 

[Wood]

RD1 Travis Fredrickou can see him open alot.
He was the guy from day one that solidified the middle of the OL. Had the strength to stand up to bigger DTs and suprised everybody in the ability to get to the 2nd level and block Lbers and at times even get to the 3rd level and take out a safety. But we did see the difference from college to an NFL season. Fredrick looked like he got tired towards the end of the yr. Draft Day Cowboys fans especially in this forum were calling this a monumental bust and reach. How is that sitting for you nasayers?

Grade A-

Great pick. Had alot of pressure on him to perform and passed with flying colors. Dallas has their center for long time. Will be fun to watch him master his craft.

RD2 Gavin Escober
I think this was a good pick, Its just sad that this coaching staff dont seem to want to play younger talent on this team unless injuries arrive. You could see he had a knack for getting open when he was on the field. Thats the key prase "when he was on the field". Towards the end of the yr he was on the field and he got open all the time but for whatever reason Romo never went to him.

Grade C-

This was a bad pick. Dallas already had TE who could stretch the defense but couldn't block. Escobar undoubtedly surprised Dallas with his lack of strength at point of engagement. He flashed little something at end and I think he could be ok...but this was ridiculous pick with so many other pressing needs.

RD3 Terrance Williams
Great pick, will team up for Dez for years to come. Showed he is a solid #2 but does drop passes because he doesnt catch the ball with his hands but lets it hit his body. Good route running but needs to work on coming back to the ball when his Qb is in trouble.


Grade B+

You really have to give Dallas credit here because who really knew he would look this good so early. Anti-drama WR who could become major weapon once he builds more strength and understands how to set up defense better.

RD3 J.J wilcox
I said this from the time he was drafted, Bad pick. Because the Cowboys already had a Wilcox and that was Barry Church. Wilcox is a hitter but has little range. Worse then Church. He couldnt even get heath off the field and heath was bad.

Grade F

I really want to like this player because there is such a need for 'alpha dog' in secondary. The coaches told us on draft day he was years away from being ready and maybe they were right. I would keep him around and let him earn his way into starting lineup instead of winning it because everyone was so bad. Ungradable at this stage.

RD4 BW Webb
Another pick that made you scratch your head. Small school kid that flashed athletic ability but still was a small school kid that saw inferior talent. And in the NFL playing a spot that the NFL limits on what they can do. This was a bad pick and it showed.

Grade D

This happens alot...guy who shows-up on film in college who comes into OTA and turns heads...then disappears. Looks to me like he lost confidence and was unable to get it back. Unfortunate but happens all the time. Dallas missed here.

RD5 Joseph Randle
He just doesnt do anything well. He's avg but he needs to develop. You can see he will turn into a decent RB but never a starter. He will be a guy who can spot start if need or go into a game to spell your starter. Decent pick for a 5th round guy.

Grade C-

I think your assessment nailed it.

RD6 Devonte Holloman
He couldnt stay on the field. And he has a bad knee so who knows how much he can give you or how long his career will be. But Dallas found a guy who can backup any of the 3 LBer spots. And the best spot for him will probably be in the middle. Solid depth guy

Grade B-

He can play. Dallas made nice last round selection here. If he is your depth guy...your stacked.

UDFA Jeff Heath
He wasnt supposed to start. He was supposed to be a practice squad guy and next yr probably a ST guy. But injuries brought him along faster then what they probably wanted. Atleast you know what you have in Heath. Going to be a special teams stud, and a solid backup. More Depth

Grade C

I would grade him higher because he was undrafted and held his own for little as starter. Great speed and just needs experience and to be in defense that actually has a pass rush.

Dallas had a decent draft but really lost in the 2nd RD3 and RD4 picks. Those two were some bad pick. I understand why they picked them because they had needs in those spots but they were just bad fits.

Hindsight 20/20
RD3 A pick that Dallas could've used more came the pick following the Wilcox pick
Damontre Moore DE

 

[JBS]

Escobar is going to start for Dallas in a couple yrs. Broaddus Mickey and Rowan were talking about this yesterday. They think witten is nearing the end of his career. They said they dont see him the type of guy to drag out his career.

I can see Escobar starting later. We took him a bit earlier than necessary though. Remains to be seen just how early

 

[jterrell]

I see the same person church is in wilcox. Wilcox might have more talent but he didnt show it. Maybe next yr

Wilcox is a much better man coverage guy than Church. As soon as we put him on the field for Heath the Eagles couldn't get open. Then we switched coverage and he didn't know where to go and got beat.

He didn't pick up the defense as well as Heath and he took poor angles because he wasn't ready for NFL speed but he has NFL ability with common technique and learning curves.

I still do not want him as a starter next year unless he truly astounds but I would rate him as a better pro in 3 years than either Church or Heath.

 

[Crown Royal]

I wish you could put Church's tackling ability/fundamentals into Heath's athleticism. THat would be a nasty and fun to watch safety.

 

[LatinMind]

Wilcox is a much better man coverage guy than Church. As soon as we put him on the field for Heath the Eagles couldn't get open. Then we switched coverage and he didn't know where to go and got beat.

He didn't pick up the defense as well as Heath and he took poor angles because he wasn't ready for NFL speed but he has NFL ability with common technique and learning curves.

I still do not want him as a starter next year unless he truly astounds but I would rate him as a better pro in 3 years than either Church or Heath.

Ill say this about heath, if he can learn how to play the ball he will make himself alot of money

 

[JBS]

Wilcox is a much better man coverage guy than Church. As soon as we put him on the field for Heath the Eagles couldn't get open. Then we switched coverage and he didn't know where to go and got beat.

He didn't pick up the defense as well as Heath and he took poor angles because he wasn't ready for NFL speed but he has NFL ability with common technique and learning curves.

I still do not want him as a starter next year unless he truly astounds but I would rate him as a better pro in 3 years than either Church or Heath.

All of that in a nutshell is precisely why he was a terrible pick.

This team doesn't have time to wait for a guy to learn how to play. Sit behind a starter on another team that has functional safeties? Sure.

Not the case here. Not even close

 

[Crown Royal]

All of that in a nutshell is precisely why he was a terrible pick.

This team doesn't have time to wait for a guy to learn how to play. Sit behind a starter on another team that has functional safeties? Sure.

Not the case here. Not even close

We'll see. Tough to find day one starters in the third round, but I agree that you'd like someone with a bit more polish.

 

[Crown Royal]

Ill say this about heath, if he can learn how to play the ball he will make himself alot of money

He is a ridiculously rangy athlete. I agree that if he can learn to play the ball and understand the game a little better he may have potential. But it's a long road up.

 

[jazzcat22]

I would switch Webb and Wilcox grade. Give Webb the F.
Wilcox the D. But mine would be C.
He looked decent first few games he started. Once he was injured, and maybe being a rookie, and trying to recover. Just took it's toll. I will wait and see, just as with all the rookies, or most of them.
If you say Frederick getting tired toward the end, then same goes for Wilcox.

The grades overall I have no issue with.
Everyone will have their opinions, where and who should have been picked. Like Risen Star said, Warford over Escobar. And I can see that and can agree with that. Considering the lack of use of Escobar, for whatever reasons. That doesn't matter right now. I'm basing this on what they did, not what they should have done anyway. Isn't this what the thread is about.

Also, another thought. These rookies like Wilcox, even Webb. When playing with a mix of veteran players, can look decent when the team is healthy. As those better players can make up for a weakness. But when you have just about all rookies mixed with street players. Then the flaws will be shown. Hence, why they are later round picks.
One can argue to draft better players too. But much easier said than done, for most, probably all teams.
A lot of it is luck too.

 

[jterrell]

All of that in a nutshell is precisely why he was a terrible pick.

This team doesn't have time to wait for a guy to learn how to play. Sit behind a starter on another team that has functional safeties? Sure.

Not the case here. Not even close

Not sure what round you think we chose Wilcox but he was a small school kid that needed time.

He has to develop to warrant the pick but likely does. He didn't have to start right away to warrant being a good selection. Lots of players need time and end up well worth it.

 

[LatinMind]

He is a ridiculously rangy athlete. I agree that if he can learn to play the ball and understand the game a little better he may have potential. But it's a long road up.

You can tell he can be something. But right now i think its the speed of the game. Talent and him not being ready. From what media in VR say the team loves him.