Graham Barton vs JPJ

[NDGAEDE]

I don’t see this team taking 2 OL in the 1st 3 picks. I think they would take Barton in round 1 and be happy.

Same here. I think if they get an OT, Hoffman's the center. If they draft a C in Barton, Bass is the LG and Tyler's the LT. With such limited resources and so many needs, we're gonna have to accept the reality that one of or both Bass and Hoffman will be starting this year.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Small and lacks power? Where did you get that info from? Nothing I've seen or read has suggested that

“Graham Barton is an instant upgrade at virtually any spot along most NFL offensive lines. A day-one impact starter with consistent all-pro potential.”

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2023/12/21/graham-barton-scouting-report-nfl-draft-2024

Barton vs Jared Verse

Barton's a finisher, and he can bully around smaller ACC linemen who he just physically overwhelms. Once he gets guys off balance, he just plows through them... and that's a good thing. You want linemen with that mentality.

But when Duke played Florida State, Barton faced Jared Verse and got to pick on someone his own size. Verse is going to be at least an average NFL power rusher, and you see that he has no problems knocking Barton around when he hits him with the juice. Barton beats Verse off the ball and goons him on a run play at 0:29, but for most of those reps, Verse is jolting him with the bull rush and shedding him easily.

Maybe Verse will just end up being a stud, and this tape isn't representative because Verse will just end up knocking around most NFL linemen. I think there's a pretty good chance of that - he's an awesome DE prospect. But that's one of the few times where Barton's power really got tested, and it looked wanting.

 

[Malhavoc]

Barton vs Jared Verse

Barton's a finisher, and he can bully around smaller ACC linemen who he just physically overwhelms. Once he gets guys off balance, he just plows through them... and that's a good thing. You want linemen with that mentality.

But when Duke played Florida State, Barton faced Jared Verse and got to pick on someone his own size. Verse is going to be at least an average NFL power rusher, and you see that he has no problems knocking Barton around when he hits him with the juice. Barton beats Verse off the ball and goons him on a run play at 0:29, but for most of those reps, Verse is jolting him with the bull rush and shedding him easily.

Maybe Verse will just end up being a stud, and this tape isn't representative because Verse will just end up knocking around most NFL linemen. I think there's a pretty good chance of that - he's an awesome DE prospect. But that's one of the few times where Barton's power really got tested, and it looked wanting.

Verse is a handful. No edge in this class possesses his combination of speed and power. Barton IMO much better as an IOL where he doesn‘t have to deal with the combination of that kind of power and speed.

 

[rambo2]

I know a lot of posters on here love JPJ but recently I've seen Graham move up the mock drafts ahead of JPJ. I don't know much of either but just wondering who posters here prefer.

I think the medicals on Jackson Powers-Johnson is a red flag.

 

[1942willys]

Verse is a handful. No edge in this class possesses his combination of speed and power. Barton IMO much better as an IOL where he doesn‘t have to deal with the combination of that kind of power and speed.

yeah matching Barton up with a top DE is not reasonable as that is not something he would be doing very often

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

As regards centers Frazier has been my pet cat all along. All those starts and he is a pure center; none of this position flex stupidity

You just learned of Frazier on Wednesday.

 

[1942willys]

You just learned of Frazier on Wednesday.

Does misinformation come naturally to you?

 

[raven55]

why worry about this draft you have a possible top ten in 2025

 

[rambo2]

why worry about this draft you have a possible top ten in 2025

It's a good draft class. More excited than worried. Looking forward to our new players on this good Cowboy team.

 

[1942willys]

No, its comes through Fox News and OAN the same way it gets to you.

I figured you were a Main Stream believer.

 

[Malhavoc]

why worry about this draft you have a possible top ten in 2025

The same song we hear every year.

 

[raven55]

are YOU LIVING IN A FANTASY good team good luck on that fantasy. you belong on fantasy island MR> ROUKE

 

[HanD]

barton before the senior bowl was in the mid to late 20s range. JPJ got huge stock rise with the senior bowl but going into it barton was always ahead of jpj. he just got overlooked or overshadowed by jpj from the senior bowl. it's settling back down now imo.

 

[gimmesix]

Same here. I think if they get an OT, Hoffman's the center. If they draft a C in Barton, Bass is the LG and Tyler's the LT. With such limited resources and so many needs, we're gonna have to accept the reality that one of or both Bass and Hoffman will be starting this year.

Could be Richards at LT and Tyler at LG, too. I think if we draft a C/G, the plan will be figuring out those three positions (LT, LG, C) from LG/LT Tyler, LT Richards, LG Bass, LG/C Barton/JPJ, C Hoffman. Five guys for two spots. In 2022, I also thought Waletzko might be in the running to be Tyron's eventual replacement, because I liked what I saw of him in his brief time there, but I don't know if the shoulders will allow him to compete and I don't know if his regression last preseason was strictly because of having to play right tackle (a tough switch for some LTs).

 

[cnuball21]

Barton vs Jared Verse

Barton's a finisher, and he can bully around smaller ACC linemen who he just physically overwhelms. Once he gets guys off balance, he just plows through them... and that's a good thing. You want linemen with that mentality.

But when Duke played Florida State, Barton faced Jared Verse and got to pick on someone his own size. Verse is going to be at least an average NFL power rusher, and you see that he has no problems knocking Barton around when he hits him with the juice. Barton beats Verse off the ball and goons him on a run play at 0:29, but for most of those reps, Verse is jolting him with the bull rush and shedding him easily.

Maybe Verse will just end up being a stud, and this tape isn't representative because Verse will just end up knocking around most NFL linemen. I think there's a pretty good chance of that - he's an awesome DE prospect. But that's one of the few times where Barton's power really got tested, and it looked wanting.

I think the lack of length showed up there and Verse is arguably Edge1.

I don’t think those issues will be as much as a concern if he kicks inside to C.

 

[1942willys]

I think the lack of length showed up there and Verse is arguably Edge1.

I don’t think those issues will be as much as a concern if he kicks inside to C.

yeah, inside is so different; you are playing in a phone booth versus the Great Plains.

 

[youngjerryjones]

Everyone has focused on the OL, and has forgotten how depleted the DL is. And it wasn’t a good line to begin with. For me, if Murphy, Verse or Newton are there, I’m probably going in that direction.

forgetting that DE is a HUGE need IMO to free up Parsons and add another edge player as a threat to continue sack productivity

 

[reddyuta]

My preference is JPJ but i am out if there is even a slightest hint of serious or chronic injury,Barton will do just fine.

 

[Rayman70]

Barton, the Washington Husky kid, then ALT, are the 3 dudes I have closely rated. We arent going to get any of them unless we trade up or a guy falls. At that point, I want BPA.

 

[Rayman70]

If Barton is still on the board at 24 I think we have to take him there...I would love a trade back and have him still available. But, most of the teams after 24 would love to have him. Hate to see him land with the 49ers

run the card in at 24 if Barton is there.Hes a top 10 player.