Great article on Skins draft

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Well written article. Interesting.

Given their present drafting, perhaps the old Commanders plan of trading away picks for players wasn't such a bad idea..... :)
 

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arglebargle;2063759 said:
Well written article. Interesting.

Given their present drafting, perhaps the old Commanders plan of trading away picks for players wasn't such a bad idea..... :)


The Midget does NOT KNOW how to draft! He's never done it....! ;) How can you do something right when you've always done things bassackwards?
 

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Eskimo;2063678 said:
The one saving grace for the Skins is they did not reach for the WRs. They took them about where they should go. If they can provide the #2 threat beside Moss they could be much better this year with the talent they have on offense.
The one thing that keeps me hoping is that both receivers felt felt they deserved to be picked in the first round. Hopefully they play with a chip on their shoulders which is an attitude that seems to really help receivers in particular, whereas those picked high seem to get overconfident.

Cowboy Bill Watts;2063743 said:
i'd agree. what exactly do they do with all those receivers. they'll keep 6 at most, which likely means that one of the draft choices won't make the team. :eek:
1. Moss. 2. Thomas or Kelly (I actually like Kelly better) 3. ARE 4. Thomas or Kelly. 5. James Thrash. 6. Anthony Mix. We might only keep 5 or that 6 spot could go to Jerome Mathis whom we picked up this offseason, but I suspect that we don't fall in love with Mathis's return skills and he gets cut. The other receivers on the rosters are cheap and expendable and will likely get cut.
 

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The Skins have a great center, Casey Rabach


"That's a good one." - Arnold Schwarzenegger



This is at least somewhat rational compared to JFE's column on the Dallas draft where should couldn't help but rip into the draft and Jerry Jones, then calls it a good draft at the end.

I actually thought the Skins had a decent draft. You kind of have to take Thomas since he was prety highly rated at #34. Davis may be weird, but since Campbell has relied so much on Cooley over his WR's, if Cooley gets hurt that could be devastating to Campbell if he doesn't have a backup in place. Plus, with Cooley you can run 2 TE sets (as good as Witten is, you can't do that with him alone because he can't lead block out of the fullback spot).

The Kelly pick is probably the only odd pick since they got Thomas. They do have to look at O-Line, particularly offensive tackle as Heyer is probably no better than a right tackle in this league and that may be a stretch.

Skins fans should feel lucky. From a local media perspective, the Cowboys get articles like this almost on a daily basis, except far less logical with a more obvious vendetta behind it.




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you build your team from the root/base up. starting with the offensive line and defensive line and branch out from there. the Commanders and lions dont seem to get that.
 

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Eskimo;2063678 said:
The one saving grace for the Skins is they did not reach for the WRs. They took them about where they should go. If they can provide the #2 threat beside Moss they could be much better this year with the talent they have on offense.

Concur...It's pretty clear that this wasn't a deep WR draft class but they may end up suprising, u never know...And, true, they didn't reach really.
 

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At ES they were Laughing at Our draft. The Commanders need help on the D line, just like we need help at WR.
 

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AmishCowboy;2063859 said:
At ES they were Laughing at Our draft. The Commanders need help on the D line, just like we need help at WR.
I've said it before: the only bright spot about our drafts is that we can laugh at each other.
 

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Skinsmaniac;2063879 said:
I've said it before: the only bright spot about our drafts is that we can laugh at each other.

I don't know what you're talking about... Our draft was fine. :)
 

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Skinsmaniac;2063879 said:
I've said it before: the only bright spot about our drafts is that we can laugh at each other.


Laugh at each other? From what I've gathered the Cowboys draft picks were all in the top 100 players in the draft!!


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5Stars;2063892 said:
Laugh at each other? From what I've gathered the Cowboys draft picks were all in the top 100 players in the draft!!


:confused:
I'd laugh at you guys picking a back up tight end so high, but...
 

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Skins fans talk like we need to draft WR that much. We actually have both quality and depth at the position, unlike their DL.... :eek:
 

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Skinsmaniac;2063900 said:
I'd laugh at you guys picking a back up tight end so high, but...


...and what would you call Fred Davis??? Who was picked even higher
 

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Skinsmaniac;2063900 said:
I'd laugh at you guys picking a back up tight end so high, but...


So, did you hear that love song in the Off Topic Zone titled "The Oil Is All In Texas, But The Dipsticks Are In D.C."...?


:lmao2:
 

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Steve Czaban issued a similar complaint on his blog.

Skins Draft: Pass Catching Overkill


Well, at least we know this much: Danny is still running the draft.

Three second round picks, and the Skins take two wideouts and a tight end.

Super.

Exactly the kind of “Fantasy Football Draft” that you would expect from an owner whose expertise wouldn’t even make him a decent fantasy owner.

For once, for a fleeting moment, I thought: “Man, we’re being really smart here.”

By letting Atlanta throw us two extra second round picks just to take our low first rounder, I was salivating at the chance for a sampler 3-pack of needs in the round.

Instead, we carpet bomb a position (pass catcher) with all three picks. Oiy.

NOTE: There is much argument about whether you should “draft for need” or simply “take the best player on the board.” I think you should do both. Here’s how. When you are picking in the top half of the first round, draft according to “best player” ratings. After that, you must take “need” into consideration. I’m not saying reach, just because you have a need. But this notion that you can accurately determine “best player on the board” once the end of the first round comes around, is specious at best. This is no science people. Everybody’s board looks different, so your “best player available” is nothing but one GUESS out of 32 teams. The top-16 however, has more consensus. Nobody had Glenn Dorsey or Darren McFadden lasting until late first round. Thus, it would be stupid to pass up on a consensus good pick, just because it doesn’t fit your need. Am I making any sense here?

So let’s look at this logically for a moment, not even taking into consideration whether Messers Thomas, Kelly, or Davis can actually play.

If you are the Commanders, are you hoping all of these guys turn out to be good players? Or are you simply assuming one or two will be misses, thus attempting to increase your chances that ONE will hit by throwing numbers at the problem?

This is a serious question. Because if ALL three guys are good, then you have a new problem. You can’t play ‘em all.

Oh, sure. Maybe Zorn has a killer 4-wideout, 2-tight end formation under his hat that is going to KNOCK people’s socks off!

The Skins need for a “big” wideout is not disputed, so I would be okay with one of those two WRs. But the TE pick is totally un-necessary. Not only is Chris Cooley a Pro Bowler, but any passes re-directed from him to Davis in this offense is a waste of time!

I want MORE touches for Cooley, not less!

Then to loop back and take glacially slow Kelly, from a run-oriented program not known to produce great wideouts, just makes you hang your head in dismay.

But hey, what the hell do I know? I am sure Vinny and Danny and Zorny have it ALL figured out. I am sure that their evaluation system for players is so spot on, that every other player who might help this team at a position which is NOT a fantasy football type position, really wasn’t that good in the second round this year.

I don’t even want to THINK about how OVER-invested this franchise has been since Snyder took over at wide receiver. We’ve drafted guys high (Rod Gardner, Taylor Jacobs). We’ve spent huge dollars for restricted free agents (Laveranues Coles). We absorbed huge cap hits and traded for other wideouts (Santana Moss). We have overpaid for kick return specialists who have never led their team in catches (Antwaan Randle-El). We have made drunkenly stupid trades for crap wideouts with attitude problems and paid them way too much money when we didn’t have to (Brandon Lloyd.)

Now, we’ve drafted two MORE of them, and thrown in a redundant TE to boot.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

And when you don’t know a damn thing about football, the solution to every problem is to get a better wide receiver.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2063666 said:
The article is dead on.

Like Jerry and Wade said, what was this draft strongest at? RB and CB. So where did we focus our attention? RB and CB.

What was the weakest part of this draft? WR. In fact, it was the weakest in many, many years. So where did the Skins draft heavy? WR.

Brilliant.

The WR class wasn't weak there was just no stud WR in the 1st round like Braylon Edwards, Calvin Johnson, Roy Williams. However in the 2nd and 3rd rounds the WR were very strong and had a lot of depth and value there.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2063970 said:
The WR class wasn't weak there was just no stud WR in the 1st round like Braylon Edwards, Calvin Johnson, Roy Williams. However in the 2nd and 3rd rounds the WR were very strong and had a lot of depth and value there.


:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

O-Rily....


You live in D.C.?
 

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5Stars;2063979 said:
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

O-Rily....


You live in D.C.?

no but to say the value and depth for the WR didn't come in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of this draft is crazy.
 
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