Great Bill Parcells Story

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To me, I think about the older players (Giants or otherwise) that played in an era where the contracts they signed had little or no provision for the NFL to pay for their disabilities later in life because of their NFL tenure.

That’s the group that needs help for health reasons like you said regardless if they squandered their money from their playing days.

I would also say, how would any of us have fared if we became an NFL player when we were 21, had a big influx of cash along w all the other temptations and issues that accompany being rich and famous?
Probably would depend on our backgrounds how well we would have managed our money.

Unfortunately many players come from impoverished and challenging environments with little if any proper financial guidance . This is their first taste of real money. And they live it up like it’s always going to be there.

The NFL does provide a pension for all players with at least 3 years on a roster .
https://firstquarterfinance.com/nfl-pension-plan-retirement-plan/
 
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You guys just want to blame Jerry for literally everything bad that happens. Directly from Parcells mouth:

"I was just really upset and saddened by that last game," Parcells says. "I just didn't want to try to do it again. I know from coaching all these years, if you're not mentally geared up for it – it's hard enough to do it anyway, but if you don't get really into it, it's impossible. I just thought enough was enough."

Absolutely nothing to do with Jerry Jones.

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/star-parcells-still-has-regrets-for-leaving-cowboys-early-339631
Well, believe what you will but it was obvious to most that Jethro’s meddling was bothersome to Tuna. Which begun with TO.

And probably was a contributing factor to his early departure. It wouldn’t have been a class move to state as such on his part. Really no need to. We all saw the frustration.
 

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You guys just want to blame Jerry for literally everything bad that happens. Directly from Parcells mouth:

"I was just really upset and saddened by that last game," Parcells says. "I just didn't want to try to do it again. I know from coaching all these years, if you're not mentally geared up for it – it's hard enough to do it anyway, but if you don't get really into it, it's impossible. I just thought enough was enough."

Absolutely nothing to do with Jerry Jones.

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/star-parcells-still-has-regrets-for-leaving-cowboys-early-339631
Jerry gave Parcells TO. The classic coach killer. He also went for about 15 years of yes men after having to deal with a real coach for a few years. Almost 30 years of mediocrity. Keep drinking the Jerry Koolaid though.
 

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I agree players must take responsibility for their actions, but my point is the NFL has not taken care of its older former players who helped make the league a multi-billion dollar a year financial behemoth as they have aged into some terrible unforeseen side effects of their playing days.

No one knew about CTE or the full effects on the body in later years. These older players like Mike Webster (Steelers) died with no health insurance from the NFL from injuries sustained while an employee of the NFL.

Some players went through their money because of CTE.

Players must take responsibility for their actions but the NFL should have covered the medical bills of their legacy players.
The NFL reached a $765 million settlement over concussion-related brain injuries among its 18,000 retired players, agreeing to compensate victims, pay for medical exams and underwrite research.


https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-ex-pla...ttlement-in-concussions-suit-0ap1000000235494
 

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Jerry gave Parcells TO. The classic coach killer. He also went for about 15 years of yes men after having to deal with a real coach for a few years. Almost 30 years of mediocrity. Keep drinking the Jerry Koolaid though.
Yea, Jethro gave Tuna more leeway than most this era but his undermining of authority and personnel meddling still deflating the control he was promised. And most likely contributed to the frustrations his ambition to stay longer finishing the job.

And I’d be willing to wager Jethro will undermine McCarthy at some point too especially if he becomes impatient with the results.

It’s not likely going to end well. It never does.
 

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Jerry gave Parcells TO. The classic coach killer. He also went for about 15 years of yes men after having to deal with a real coach for a few years. Almost 30 years of mediocrity. Keep drinking the Jerry Koolaid though.
Should i just complain about Jerry constantly while knowing that Jerry isn't going anywhere until he dies? Keep drinking the anti-Jerry kool-aid. I'm sure once he's gone we'll win 10 Super Bowls in a row.

It was a quote straight from Parcells. He's not one to sprinkle niceties in his words. It's also telling he did not take another head coaching job. If you read the article, believe it or not, Bill actually enjoyed his time coaching in Dallas and working with Jerry.
 

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The NFL reached a $765 million settlement over concussion-related brain injuries among its 18,000 retired players, agreeing to compensate victims, pay for medical exams and underwrite research.


https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-ex-pla...ttlement-in-concussions-suit-0ap1000000235494
Understood. Just because there was a settlement, doesn’t mean it was equitable for the legacy players. It’s like trying to negotiate with an insurance company. They have all the money and power. Trust me, few of the older legacy players were happy with the settlement.
 

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https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/09/01/gary-myers-bill-parcells-loaned-4-million-former-giants

It’s nice to read about a former Cowboys coach helping out former players even if they are mostly Giants.

“It’s just incredibly generous what he’s done with these guys. Bill has loaned out $4 million to 20 players that played for him, who come to him in this financial crisis. Bill knows when they come to him it’s a last resort,” Myers told WFAN-AM in New York on Friday morning, per the New York Post.
Man, with the salaries these players get now days, even the low paying starting jobs pay somewhat ok, but how do they get in financial trouble that they need someone to bail them out? I mean, aren't these guys supposed to be educated?
 

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Jerry gave Parcells TO. The classic coach killer. He also went for about 15 years of yes men after having to deal with a real coach for a few years. Almost 30 years of mediocrity. Keep drinking the Jerry Koolaid though.
Sir you are spot on. Parcells was starting to cross that line of getting his fair share of credit for turning the roster around. Predictably, Jerry got upset Bill was getting any credit so he started meddling too much and brought in TO, a locker room cancer. Jerry basically ran Parcells off.

Predictably, after almost 30 years we know how the movie ends.
 

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Parcells was great in Dallas and he built/was building a great roster. That Romo FG fumble was just the nail in the coffin for his career. Definitely a heartbreaking way to lose a game/end the season for that team, let alone for us fans.

I actually like Wade Phillips, but let's not pretend like he could have had that year he did in 07 without the team that Parcells built.
 

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I bet a lot of players regret playing but others like Richard Sherman have said even if the knew all the risks, they’d still choose to play. I think most players will regret playing later in life.

I surmised that Kosar was loved by Cleveland and I hope he can get some medical help if that’s even possible at this point.

From what it sounds like, he seems to be. Between QC Kinetics and a few other medical that I hear when listening to music while driving. Plus, we have the Cleveland Clinic, which is an amazing hospital system here. So, he's getting to quality care between them and University Hospitals.
 

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Understood. Just because there was a settlement, doesn’t mean it was equitable for the legacy players. It’s like trying to negotiate with an insurance company. They have all the money and power. Trust me, few of the older legacy players were happy with the settlement.
Understood . I provided this because you presented it like the NFL totally neglected those ex -players. They did up until this settlement. That doesn’t mean more can’t be done . Thanks
 

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Sir you are spot on. Parcells was starting to cross that line of getting his fair share of credit for turning the roster around. Predictably, Jerry got upset Bill was getting any credit so he started meddling too much and brought in TO, a locker room cancer. Jerry basically ran Parcells off.

Predictably, after almost 30 years we know how the movie ends.

I'm curious what move Jerry will have in mind if Mike starts getting the credit that I think he deserves.
 

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Man, with the salaries these players get now days, even the low paying starting jobs pay somewhat ok, but how do they get in financial trouble that they need someone to bail them out? I mean, aren't these guys supposed to be educated?
I agree and understand your point but I would reiterate how responsible were you or me or anyone else at 21? Add in fame, money, women lining up to meet you, family upset that you didn’t “support them” enough and you get a player who can’t handle all the pieces of that equation.

I admire players who DO handle their finances responsibly and I’d like to think I would have been responsible but again with a 21 year old brain I can’t say with confidence I would be better, can you?
 

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Understood . I provided this because you presented it like the NFL totally neglected those ex -players. They did up until this settlement. That doesn’t mean more can’t be done . Thanks
I appreciate the link to the story and you making that available.

I don’t find many qualities endearing about many current NFL owners. There’s a lot I could say about it but people can draw their own conclusions. It’s all good. :)
 

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I agree and understand your point but I would reiterate how responsible were you or me or anyone else at 21? Add in fame, money, women lining up to meet you, family upset that you didn’t “support them” enough and you get a player who can’t handle all the pieces of that equation.

I admire players who DO handle their finances responsibly and I’d like to think I would have been responsible but again with a 21 year old brain I can’t say with confidence I would be better, can you?
I can say it. I was in business when I was 23 years old . But probably more of the exception .

I think the bigger point is most college graduates are probably more responsible with their finances . Many who finish in the top 10 of their class are recruited by top firms for 6 figure salaries and signing bonuses.

The difference in the NFL is these arent top academic students coming from more middle to upper class families.
 

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I appreciate the link to the story and you making that available.

I don’t find many qualities endearing about many current NFL owners. There’s a lot I could say about it but people can draw their own conclusions. It’s all good. :)
I hear ya and I often taken the players stance on many issues . But the bigger point is the NFL is a privilege and provides a very elite group of men an excellent opportunity. What they do with it is up to them.
 

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Yea, Jethro gave Tuna more leeway than most this era but his undermining of authority and personnel meddling still deflating the control he was promised. And most likely contributed to the frustrations his ambition to stay longer finishing the job.

And I’d be willing to wager Jethro will undermine McCarthy at some point too especially if he becomes impatient with the results.

It’s not likely going to end well. It never does.
Dallas is where head coaches come to kill their hc career. It’s a pipe dream to think Jerry or son will ever sign a hc and give him the power to 1) hire their own staff and 2) have the power to hire and fire put into their contract.
 

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I can say it. I was in business when I was 23 years old . But probably more of the exception .

I think the bigger point is most college graduates are probably more responsible with their finances . Many who finish in the top 10 of their class are recruiting by top firms for 6 figure salaries and signing bonuses.

The difference in the NFL is these arent top academic students who are coming from more middle to upper class families.
There are all kinds of NFL players from many different backgrounds with unique situations.
 

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I'm curious what move Jerry will have in mind if Mike starts getting the credit that I think he deserves.
IMO, McCarthy will be fired unless we see an nfc championship game this season.

Next, Jerry will find another non-A personality coach come in to be the next figurehead hc. Jerry wants all the credit if we actually make a deep playoff run and if we do, then he will fire the hc because he perceives he got too much credit. Dallas is one of the few organizations that fires hc after they win Super Bowls).
 
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