Great Take On Cowboys Run Game

[Rockport]

Yooohoooo

Do we actually need to play this season or should the other teams forfeit the season and we can move on to 2016?

With a middle of the pack defense, we're still a long ways away.

 

[Stash]

I agree with that for the most part... plus NFL coaches don't like to change much if they're winning, and they were winning a lot.

The team chemistry was exceptional, the team was winning, and Murray was on a pace to break some records... I don't blame them for riding it out. The fan base would have had a conniption if they had played Murray less and lost a game, no matter who's fault the loss was. Some would have probably even accused Dallas of trying to lower Murray's worth in a contract year.

They pretty much had to go with what was working, IMO.

Totally agree. Murray was a complete back who was playing great football. As a fan of bellcow backs and riding the hot hand, I think they made the right decision more often than not.

But I don't think there was any sinister motive involved in using Murray up and discarding him. They were, in fact, negotiating on a possible new contract with him right up until he signed with Philadelphia. That's not something you bother to do with a player you don't want.

 

[erod]

This is brilliant:

"Running behind this group is like singing the Star Spangled Banner: the less creative you try to be, the better job you’re likely to do."

Wish I'd of written that one.

 

[xwalker]

The observation wasn't that Smith was a "technical mess". He said it was rickety and he can more than compensate due to his immense athleticism. It is not that uncommon among top tackles.

You will have physical freaks with average technique, much like he said that Frederick was the inverse of Smith. Not a slam.

If you have ANY other quote from somebody saying that Tyron has bad technique, I would like to see it.

 

[jrumann59]

If you have ANY other quote from somebody saying that Tyron has bad technique, I would like to see it.

Could you explain the "rickety" comment. When I think rickety I think wobbly, disrepair, borderline unuseable.

 

[xwalker]

Could you explain the "rickety" comment. When I think rickety I think wobbly, disrepair, borderline unuseable.

You probably intended this for Alexander.

I'm going to ignore anyone's opinion that thinks Tyron is "rickety".

 

[jrumann59]

You probably intended this for Alexander.

I'm going to ignore anyone's opinion that thinks Tyron is "rickety".

No you have much more knowledge it was directed at you. I may disagree with you from time to time but I know knowledge when I see it and was hoping you could shed light on the term.

 

[AsthmaField]

Could you explain the "rickety" comment. When I think rickety I think wobbly, disrepair, borderline unuseable.

I think he is simply saying that Smith's technique is less than stellar, while his physical ability and tools are off the chart great, and that those tools allow him to be one of the best despite not being a tactician.

IMO, "rickety" was an unfortunate choice to describe his imperfect technique. Using a word like that takes away from his message which is that Smith gets by with terrific athleticism and strength and not technique. People tend to focus on the term rather than the message when you don't choose your words carefully.

 

[DandyDon52]

What mystifies me somewhat is that if Randle was truly better suited to getting "more meat from the bone" than Murray was, why wasn't he utilized more than he was last year? Were Dallas' coaches really THAT unaware of Randle's ability and so unaware of Murray's inability to collect more yardage from his blocks that they simply didn't know any better than to use Randle more? Seems to me that there should be at least some measure of sound reasoning behind why Murray was used as exclusively as he was.

Upon further reflection, it seems to me that Murray had greater ability to get the so-called "dirty" yardage, where Joe Randle didn't -- at least, not to the extent that Murray did. He surely DID manage to get extra yardage per carry on a far more limited number of carries but how well will he do with considerably more? I'm guessing that therein lies the conundrum that, as yet, remains to be answered by Randle. It should prove quite interesting to see if he and his cohort RBs really are able to feast upon more meat from the bones of their opponents in 2015.

1. Randle is the only one saying he could have done better than murray.
2.Murray was the starter and ever team stays with the starter unless they cant play, I call it "starter mentality"
3. Murray had a record breaking start to the season, and was leading rusher all year, so he had to be the main back each week.

I think JG should have gave randall the Jag game , the chicago game, and colt game, just to see what he could do as starter, and
rest murray those games. Then we would now know how good randle would be.

 

[Alexander]

If you have ANY other quote from somebody saying that Tyron has bad technique, I would like to see it.

Again, you are equating the use of the expressive "rickety" to imply overall bad.

It just could be shaky or inconsistent, which again, he can cover up because he is an elite athlete.

It is all relative, he is still an elite tackle but for a different reason than say Joe Thomas is.

I don't really care to nitpick, because no matter if it is technique or athleticism, he is pretty much elite.

I guess your goal here is to discredit the comments, which honestly you really are not.

It was not even a direct quote by all appearances. It could have simply been the writer's choice of words.

 

[Alexander]

I think he is simply saying that Smith's technique is less than stellar, while his physical ability and tools are off the chart great, and that those tools allow him to be one of the best despite not being a tactician.

IMO, "rickety" was an unfortunate choice to describe his imperfect technique. Using a word like that takes away from his message which is that Smith gets by with terrific athleticism and strength and not technique. People tend to focus on the term rather than the message when you don't choose your words carefully.

Exactly and that could easily be the writer, not the coach's, descriptive.

 

[xwalker]

Again, you are equating the use of the expressive "rickety" to imply overall bad.

It just could be shaky or inconsistent, which again, he can cover up because he is an elite athlete.

It is all relative, he is still an elite tackle but for a different reason than say Joe Thomas is.

I don't really care to nitpick, because no matter if it is technique or athleticism, he is pretty much elite.

I guess your goal here is to discredit the comments, which honestly you really are not.

It was not even a direct quote by all appearances. It could have simply been the writer's choice of words.

A player can't be an All-Pro LT and have rickety technique regardless of his athleticism.

Alex Barron was a super athletic OT with bad technique. Barron was bigger with better measured athleticism than Tyron.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Totally agree. Murray was a complete back who was playing great football. As a fan of bellcow backs and riding the hot hand, I think they made the right decision more often than not.

But I don't think there was any sinister motive involved in using Murray up and discarding him. They were, in fact, negotiating on a possible new contract with him right up until he signed with Philadelphia. That's not something you bother to do with a player you don't want.

I agree. I mean, clearly the Cowboys rode with Murray and it's easy to understand why. They probably ran him too much, don't think anybody would argue that but somebody probably will. I think it was agreed by both team and player. The Cowboys understood the value of Murray and Murray understood that he was playing for the record and for a contract, either with the Cowboys or another team. 1800 yards is a nice calling card for a contract, obviously.

I hated to see Murray leave but the team had a plan. I don't fault him but it is what it is. Time to move on.

 

[Alexander]

A player can't be an All-Pro LT and have rickety technique regardless of his athleticism.

Alex Barron was a super athletic OT with bad technique. Barron was bigger with better measured athleticism than Tyron.

Sure they can.

It depends on how they marry athleticism, technique and strength.

We already know Smith is an elite athlete and his strength is off the charts. If he has average technique (hand placement and using them instead of his body, his stance/setup after snap and footwork, patience, keeping his head up ) he can still be very successful if he knows how to compensate with his flexibility, quickness and strength.

Your Alex Barron comment is way off. Just because he looks athletic on the handy dandy spreadsheet of workout measurements, does not mean he understood how to use it to his advantage to play off his other traits. Smith clearly does.

 

[AsthmaField]

IMO, Smith plays with some technique flaws that would get a lesser athlete in trouble... but because of his immense physical talent and athleticism, he still gets the job done.

It isn't a foreign concept.

 

[gimmesix]

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/06/11/joseph-randle-dallas-cowboys-offensive-line-rushing-nfl/

Andy Benoit from MMQB actually watched some film and saw what the majority of us saw last year, glad to see someone in the media get it right finally this off season.

I don't think anyone is concerned about the backs we have being able to exploit open lanes and open field. The concern remains the ability to pick up those "dirty yards" Garrett talked about. That was Garrett's concern, finding someone who could do that, and it will continue to be mine until someone shows he can do it.

Without a back who can fall forward on first-and-10 against a stacked box, we revert to being a pass-first team, even if the coaches say they don't want to maintain the balance we had last year.

 

[xwalker]

Sure they can.

It depends on how they marry athleticism, technique and strength.

We already know Smith is an elite athlete and his strength is off the charts. If he has average technique (hand placement and using them instead of his body, his stance/setup after snap and footwork, patience, keeping his head up ) he can still be very successful if he knows how to compensate with his flexibility, quickness and strength.

Your Alex Barron comment is way off. Just because he looks athletic on the handy dandy spreadsheet of workout measurements, does not mean he understood how to use it to his advantage to play off his other traits. Smith clearly does.

If a player has a great understanding of things like leverage, then they don't have rickety technique.

Is there another report anywhere indicating that Tyron has poor technique?

 

[jrumann59]

Ok maybe that is why the measurables are thought of more highly. The better your measurables are the more room for error you have, the lesser your measurables the more spot on you have to be with your technique. All of this is for the most part. One of the hardest measurable is that thing between your ears

 

[xtreme_2k]

Three times in the past nine months, Cowboys running back Joseph Randle has made headlines that make him look ridiculous:

• “I didn’t want to take time to do it,” was the explanation offered for his decision not to pay for cologne and two pairs of underwear as he left a department store last October.
• Not long after calling his shoplifting arrest the “biggest mistake I’ve ever made in my life,” Randle made another one, getting busted for pot in February.
• And then, a few weeks ago, music stopped when he said that his former teammate, DeMarco Murray, “left a lot of meat on the bone” last year. Murray, of course, won the NFL rushing title handily, amassing 1,845 yards—a record for a franchise that’s boasted the likes of Emmitt Smith and Tony Dorsett.

At OTAs last week, Randle was softly but firmly censured by his head coach for the Murray comment. “We addressed that with Joe immediately,” Jason Garrett said, acknowledging that Randle’s sentiment could have been taken out of context and was not meant maliciously, but also adding, “you need to focus on doing, not talking.”

But here’s the thing: Randle’s comment about Murray was astute.....




http://mmqb.si.com/2015/06/11/joseph-randle-dallas-cowboys-offensive-line-rushing-nfl/

 

[DallasEast]

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