Great video of Tracy Porter

[theogt]

he plays defense on a bad defensive team...he isnt the only one out there trying to do his job

what are the numbers for the other IU CB by chance? have those?

and he got credit for 10 PD's in the PFW, which is certainly not terrible

David

I don't have the other corners numbers, no. But to get targeted 91 times in a college season probably means preferred throwing AT YOU.

PFW's number probably includes passes deflected (4) and INTs (6) for a total number of 10 passes defended.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

basically we just wasted 4 pages talking to you then

It's like I'm playin' cards with my brother's kids or somethin', you nerve-wrackin' son...

Yea you said at first 97 passes, turned out it was only 91. He gave up 5 tds and intercepted 6. He has the 4th best int per attempt, 4th in completion percentage, 4th in int per attempt and 1st in ints. Abysmal isn't the word that would describe this. Maybe you need to look at those numbers again. Mind you this is 4th out of the top prospects in the entire draft. Think about that.

Owned.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

You're right it was 91, which was the most of the top corners. He had the worst QB rating. The worst YPA. The worst completion percentage. And the worse PDs/attempt.

His only redeeming stat is that he had 6 INTs, but when you look at the INTs per attempt, it's only about average among top corners.

Read what I have in bold. Were not talkin about just corners but the top corners. Thats where your argument is blowed out of the water. He has the 4th best completion % of the top corners in the league, 4th best int per attempt of the top corners in the league. You never watched the guy but you can judge him on what kind of player he is or will be based on some numbers that you have no idea of how they were attained.

 

[theogt]

Read what I have in bold. Were not talkin about just corners but the top corners. Thats where your argument is blowed out of the water. He has the 4th best completion % of the top corners in the league, 4th best int per attempt of the top corners in the league. You never watched the guy but you can judge him on what kind of player he is or will be based on some numbers that you have no idea of how they were attained.

Again, no he didn't have the 4th best. He had the worst. Look at the actual numbers. I had their order misplaced. His numbers are dramatically worse than the "top corners," which leads me to believe he shouldn't be considered a "top corner."

 

[Goldenrichards83]

Again, no he didn't have the 4th best. He had the worst. Look at the actual numbers. I had their order misplaced. His numbers are dramatically worse than the "top corners," which leads me to believe he shouldn't be considered a "top corner."

Now you have the numbers mixup. Dog I am gonna throw all those numbers out because I am totally confused now and your bias so I have no idea whats right or wrong there but just know this. If your going to knock a player at least have some evidence on why you don't care for them besides just numbers because they don't tell the whole story. I mean watch a little film or even a game to truly get a feel on what the player offers.

 

[theogt]

Now you have the numbers mixup. Dog I am gonna throw all those numbers out because I am totally confused now and your bias so I have no idea whats right or wrong there but just know this. If your going to knock a player at least have some evidence on why you don't care for them besides just numbers because they don't tell the whole story. I mean watch a little film or even a game to truly get a feel on what the player offers.

What's hard to understand? He had the worst completion percentage by far for top corners.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Now you have the numbers mixup. Dog I am gonna throw all those numbers out because I am totally confused now and your bias so I have no idea whats right or wrong there but just know this. If your going to knock a player at least have some evidence on why you don't care for them besides just numbers because they don't tell the whole story. I mean watch a little film or even a game to truly get a feel on what the player offers.

Youve got it all wrong. Theo can look at a stat line or a youtube clip and tell exactly where a players stands. Hes gods gift to prospect analysis and hes never wrong.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

What's hard to understand? He had the worst completion percentage by far for top corners.

So your just gonna ignore the rest of my post. That's cool. I thought your football acumen came from how you watch and breakdown film or watch the games. Never knew it was based on just looking at numbers. I think you are being a lil stubborn but you have a right to your opinion.

 

[theogt]

So your just gonna ignore the rest of my post. That's cool. I thought your football acumen came from how you watch and breakdown film or watch the games. Never knew it was based on just looking at numbers. I think you are being a lil stubborn but you have a right to your opinion.

Not that it matters, but I base my opinion on 3 things: college production, physical attributes, and the extremely subjective component of simply watching the player play. To be a top level player in my opinion you can't really be deficient in any one of those areas unless there's a reasonable explanation. If any one of those three variables has significant flaws, obviously, my "rating" of the player drops. In this case, Porter has significant flaws in his college production. That's a major red flag and I adjust my opinion accordingly.

 

[5mics]

This is better than a heavyweight fight.

Yeah, no kiddin'. I thought about joining the fracas BUT it's probably best to duck and get out of the way...

 

[Goldenrichards83]

Not that it matters, but I base my opinion on 3 things: college production, physical attributes, and the extremely subjective component of simply watching the player play. To be a top level player in my opinion you can't really be deficient in any one of those areas unless there's a reasonable explanation. If any one of those three variables has significant flaws, obviously, my "rating" of the player drops. In this case, Porter has significant flaws in his college production. That's a major red flag and I adjust my opinion accordingly.

How could you possibly say this when

1)College production- I gave you scouting report that you continue to ignore that says: Porter is currently second among active NCAA players with 16 career interceptions (6 this season, with a 22.8 yard return average). As a four year starter at Indiana, Porter proved to be a dynamic player on the defensive side of the ball. Along with his lofty interception total, he has proven to have a knack for getting around the football. Porter has 24 career pass break ups, along with 5.5 tackles for loss, 1 sack, 2 forced fumbles, and 3 fumble recoveries. He shows fantastic ability out in coverage, especially when playing man-to-man.

2)Physical attributes- Tracy Porter ran a 4.37 second 40 yard dash and managed to do 18 reps on the bench press at the NFL Combine. Porter was impressive at Senior Bowl practices in Mobile, Alabama. According to Scouts Inc.'s Todd McShay: Porter showed arguably the best coverage skills of any defensive back attending. Porter had 4 tackles and broke up 1 pass in coverage for the North team, which lost 17-16. Porter's stock will only continue to climb with an impressive showing at the NFL combine

3)Watching the player play- You have never watched him play.

Please explain how can you form and opinion when you haven't followed your own guide of judgeing talent?

 

[theogt]

How could you possibly say this when

1)College production- I gave you scouting report that you continue to ignore that says: Porter is currently second among active NCAA players with 16 career interceptions (6 this season, with a 22.8 yard return average). As a four year starter at Indiana, Porter proved to be a dynamic player on the defensive side of the ball. Along with his lofty interception total, he has proven to have a knack for getting around the football. Porter has 24 career pass break ups, along with 5.5 tackles for loss, 1 sack, 2 forced fumbles, and 3 fumble recoveries. He shows fantastic ability out in coverage, especially when playing man-to-man.

2)Physical attributes- Tracy Porter ran a 4.37 second 40 yard dash and managed to do 18 reps on the bench press at the NFL Combine. Porter was impressive at Senior Bowl practices in Mobile, Alabama. According to Scouts Inc.'s Todd McShay: Porter showed arguably the best coverage skills of any defensive back attending. Porter had 4 tackles and broke up 1 pass in coverage for the North team, which lost 17-16. Porter's stock will only continue to climb with an impressive showing at the NFL combine

3)Watching the player play- You have never watched him play.

Please explain how can you form and opinion when you haven't followed your own guide of judgeing talent?

I agree his physical attributes are pretty nice. And I've openly admitted that I haven't seen him play. But I think it's beyond foolish to argue that his college production, at least in his last season, wasn't atrocious.

Perhaps as a 4th-7th rounder as a project, but nothing more. With that sort of college production, he's probably not a guy that can step in and contribute at a high level right away.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

I agree his physical attributes are pretty nice. And I've openly admitted that I haven't seen him play. But I think it's beyond foolish to argue that his college production, at least in his last season, wasn't atrocious.

Perhaps as a 4th-7th rounder as a project, but nothing more. With that sort of college production, he's probably not a guy that can step in and contribute at a high level right away.

Now lets break this down, thats 2 out 3 of your own system that you for some reason didn't stick too. Now your last one is his college production that you are basing on 1 year not his entire career but 1 year and in that year although not very impressive to you it still measures well with the top corners in the nation. Now in this same year he had 83 tackles(63 of them solo) with 6 ints with a 9 yard sack. He also had 5.5 tackles for loss this year and recovered 2 fumbles. I'm not threw, he recorded 22 3rd down stops and one more on fourth down. Abysmal? Atrocious?

 

[theogt]

Now lets break this down, thats 2 out 3 of your own system that you for some reason didn't stick too. Now your last one is his college production that you are basing on 1 year not his entire career but 1 year and in that year although not very impressive to you it still measures well with the top corners in the nation. Now in this same year he had 83 tackles(63 of them solo) with 6 ints with a 9 yard sack. He also had 5.5 tackles for loss this year and recovered 2 fumbles. I'm not threw, he recorded 22 3rd down stops and one more on fourth down. Abysmal? Atrocious?

As I told you, a significant red flag in ANY of the three variables will drop a players 'rating' in my view. It's not a "best 2 out of 3" scenario. All 3 have to look good.

I'm not going to continue to argue as to whether his college production was atrocious or not. The numbers are there for anyone to make a decision.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

As I told you, a significant red flag in ANY of the three variables will drop a players 'rating' in my view. It's not a "best 2 out of 3" scenario. All 3 have to look good.

I'm not going to continue to argue as to whether his college production was atrocious or not. The numbers are there for anyone to make a decision.

This was fun. I love your football knowledge but we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Now lets break this down, thats 2 out 3 of your own system that you for some reason didn't stick too. Now your last one is his college production that you are basing on 1 year not his entire career but 1 year and in that year although not very impressive to you it still measures well with the top corners in the nation. Now in this same year he had 83 tackles(63 of them solo) with 6 ints with a 9 yard sack. He also had 5.5 tackles for loss this year and recovered 2 fumbles. I'm not threw, he recorded 22 3rd down stops and one more on fourth down. Abysmal? Atrocious?

its YPA that matter. comp % is one thing but if they are for 3 yards who cares.

 

[theogt]

This was fun. I love your football knowledge but we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Fair enough. No problem agreeing to disagree.