Great video of Tracy Porter

[Goldenrichards83]

His numbers are terrible. Most "draft guys" probably didn't actually look at his total numbers when writing their draft guides. These numbers aren't readily available. The "draft guys" watch 2-3 games and base their opinion on what they see in those 2-3 games.

But I watch almost every game. I make my opinion on what I see and I check out all of the guides just to see if we are on the same page or not. The kids a playmaker I don't think you can give a valid opinion based solely on numbers that you just picked without watching any film or games.

 

[dbair1967]

That's fine if you were never impressed. But anyone that watched him closely should know exactly why his YPC was down this season

yes, its because as soon as he caught the ball, he was tackled

and when he did get opportunities downfield, he didnt get open

oh, and as usual for his career, he was hurt some

David

 

[theogt]

did that point fly over your head or something?

you said you could look at Payton Mannings numbers and tell he was great

do I need to continue 'splainin here or is the light bulb starting to come on?

David

I never said college production guarantees NFL production. But you can look at someone's numbers and tell whether they had good or bad production in college or in the NFL. You can look at Peyton's numbers alone and tell he's had good production in the NFL. And you can look at Porter's numbers alone and tell he's had terrible production in college.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I never said college production guarantees NFL production. But you can look at someone's numbers and tell whether they had good or bad production in college or in the NFL. You can look at Peyton's numbers alone and tell he's had good production in the NFL. And you can look at Porter's numbers alone and tell he's had terrible production in college.

you can't evaluate a prospect solely on numbers

sorry, you just can't

 

[dbair1967]

I never said college production guarantees NFL production. But you can look at someone's numbers and tell whether they had good or bad production in college or in the NFL. You can look at Peyton's numbers alone and tell he's had good production in the NFL. And you can look at Porter's numbers alone and tell he's had terrible production in college.

and you can look at all those "great" talents in college that I listed that had superb numbers, and what did that tell you?

According to YOU that should be a precursor for being great in the NFL, because the "numbers" were amazing

When in fact they showed nothing

David

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Guys talking with theo is like talking to a child and trying to convince him the sky is blue and it goes something like

uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh

Hes watched his youtube clips and sat on his couch watching TV so thinks hes gods gift to everything football. you know hes never going to admit that you might have a point.

Why bother?

 

[dbair1967]

Guys talking with theo is like talking to a child and trying to convince him the sky is blue and it goes something like

uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh, uh-huh, nuh-uh

Hes watched his youtube clips and sat on his couch watching TV so thinks hes gods gift to everything football. you know hes never going to admit that you might have a point.

Why bother?

well I was bored tonight after I got home from the movie (saw 21 by the way, it was pretty good)...I was still wanting quality entertainment, so thought I'd push some of the right buttons to get Theo rollin



David

 

[theogt]

you can't evaluate a prospect solely on numbers

sorry, you just can't

Of course you can't. I never said you could or should.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

I never said college production guarantees NFL production. But you can look at someone's numbers and tell whether they had good or bad production in college or in the NFL. You can look at Peyton's numbers alone and tell he's had good production in the NFL. And you can look at Porter's numbers alone and tell he's had terrible production in college.

Which ones do I need to look at:

2008 NFL Draft Prospect - Scouting Report
Tracy Porter is a prospect that could shoot up draft boards this spring. Porter plays for a school with a little regarded football program that receives little to no television coverage. Porter was voted 1st team All Big Ten by the media this year and garnered 2nd team honors from the coaches. Porter is currently second among active NCAA players with 16 career interceptions (6 this season, with a 22.8 yard return average). As a four year starter at Indiana, Porter proved to be a dynamic player on the defensive side of the ball. Along with his lofty interception total, he has proven to have a knack for getting around the football. Porter has 24 career pass break ups, along with 5.5 tackles for loss, 1 sack, 2 forced fumbles, and 3 fumble recoveries. He shows fantastic ability out in coverage, especially when playing man-to-man. Porter's tackling from the corner position is also among the best in the country. The 5'11", 185 lbs. Porter has recorded 83 tackles this season (63 of them solo). To go along with his abilities on defense, Porter is one of the better return men in the country. As a junior he averaged 18.6 yards per punt return -- scoring on an 86 yarder -- while only sharing the duties. During the regular season, Porter returned all 23 punts for the Hoosiers, averaging 11 yards per return. Porter proved his toughness to scouts recording 8 tackles (1 tackle for loss) against Oklahoma State. Porter suffered a mild concussion, but returned to the game to lead the Hoosier defense.
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[theogt]

and you can look at all those "great" talents in college that I listed that had superb numbers, and what did that tell you?

According to YOU that should be a precursor for being great in the NFL, because the "numbers" were amazing

When in fact they showed nothing

David

Again, I never said great college production guarantees NFL success. Why do you think I said this?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

well I was bored tonight after I got home from the movie (saw 21 by the way, it was pretty good)...I was still wanting quality entertainment, so thought I'd push some of the right buttons to get Theo rollin



David

oh and BTW I never gave you credit for the I formation thing with OU and AD. You were right.

 

[theogt]

Which ones do I need to look at:

How about the # of times targeted? The number of passes given up? The number of TDs given up? I gave you a link comparing all of these numbers with other top corners. Porter's numbers are abysmal.

 

[dbair1967]

Again, I never said great college production guarantees NFL success. Why do you think I said this?

because you said you could look at Mannings numbers and tell he was great

because you said Poters so called "bad" numbers meant he was a waste of a draft pick (basically)

because you have made 10-15 posts in thsi thread arguing about what the "numbers" tell you

David

 

[theogt]

because you said you could look at Mannings numbers and tell he was great

because you said Poters so called "bad" numbers meant he was a waste of a draft pick (basically)

because you have made 10-15 posts in thsi thread arguing about what the "numbers" tell you

David

Actually I said you could look at Manning's numbers and tell he's had great production. Just like you can look at Porter's numbers and tell he had bad production. I'm not sure how to explain it in more simple terms.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

basically we just wasted 4 pages talking to you then

 

[Goldenrichards83]

How about the # of times targeted? The number of passes given up? The number of TDs given up? I gave you a link comparing all of these numbers with other top corners. Porter's numbers are abysmal.

Yea you said at first 97 passes, turned out it was only 91. He gave up 5 tds and intercepted 6. He has the 4th best int per attempt, 4th in completion percentage, 4th in int per attempt and 1st in ints. Abysmal isn't the word that would describe this. Maybe you need to look at those numbers again. Mind you this is 4th out of the top prospects in the entire draft. Think about that.

 

[dbair1967]

Actually I said you could look at Manning's numbers and tell he's had great production. Just like you can look at Porter's numbers and tell he had bad production. I'm not sure how to explain it in more simple terms.

no, your spinning...something you've been doing through this entire thread

you cant get up on a pedestal about a few of his numbers and say they mean more than they do, and ignore his good numbers (ints, passes defensed, total tackles, return skills and his physicla talent in general)

I dont think the guy is a world beater, but if he were there when we picked in the 2nd rd I'd have no problem with us taking him. He's a good developmental prospect that has some things you cant teach and he's gotten betetr over time at IU

David

 

[theogt]

Yea you said at first 97 passes, turned out it was only 91. He gave up 5 tds and intercepted 6. He has the 4th best int per attempt, 4th in completion percentage, 4th in int per attempt and 1st in ints. Abysmal isn't the word that would describe this. Maybe you need to look at those numbers again.

You're right it was 91, which was the most of the top corners. He had the worst QB rating. The worst YPA. The worst completion percentage. And the worse PDs/attempt.

His only redeeming stat is that he had 6 INTs, but when you look at the INTs per attempt, it's only about average among top corners.

 

[theogt]

no, your spinning...something you've been doing through this entire thread

you cant get up on a pedestal about a few of his numbers and say they mean more than they do, and ignore his good numbers (ints, passes defensed, total tackles, return skills and his physicla talent in general)

I dont think the guy is a world beater, but if he were there when we picked in the 2nd rd I'd have no problem with us taking him. He's a good developmental prospect that has some things you cant teach and he's gotten betetr over time at IU

David

His passes defended are terrible. The only thing he has are the INTs and even his INT per attempt number isn't that good (it's only average). Look, you just can't argue with his numbers. They're there and they're horrible

 

[dbair1967]

His passes defended are terrible. The only thing he has are the INTs and even his INT per attempt number isn't that good (it's only average). Look, you just can't argue with his numbers. They're there and they're horrible

he plays defense on a bad defensive team...he isnt the only one out there trying to do his job

what are the numbers for the other IU CB by chance? have those?

and he got credit for 10 PD's in the PFW, which is certainly not terrible

David