Greg Cosell: Wentz/Luck Comparisons Valid

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You still punt this year and make your team thinner. My mind is that one big reason we are in this mess is because we trade away top 100 picks every other year. Those picks count towards the future too.

 

[BigStar]

You still punt this year and make your team thinner. My mind is that one big reason we are in this mess is because we trade away top 100 picks every other year. Those picks count towards the future too.

I hear that (trading away picks) definitely with the only exception being for your future franchise QB. That is when I think it is okay to be aggressive where we were towards other positions in the past. But your point is valid. Trading up for Mo and others has cost the team valuable depth and starters that could have filled this team with a better future. I think the trade up for Dez was smart too but that's apples n oranges to our discussion, etc.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You take away picks that weakens this year's team in order to select a potential future starter then you take away Romo's chance to end his career on a high note...

No. I can't see the Cowboys doing that.

 

[BigStar]

You take away picks that weakens this year's team in order to select a potential future starter then you take away Romo's chance to end his career on a high note...

No. I can't see the Cowboys doing that.

Don't bring the Cowboys' FO "logic" into this, I've had a long day

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Don't bring the Cowboys' FO "logic" into this, I've had a long day

 

[egn22]

Wow look at this comment from the article

Michael
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Wentz stares down his receivers too often, his feet aren't fluid, he can't make past the first read and is oblivious to pressure, he reminds me of Jake Locker and Weeden, he literally freezes in the pocket when his first read isn't open.

If he didn't look like a prototypical NFL QB with his 6'5" frame he would be a 5th round pick.

I don't see any problem with level of competition but they way people talk about him it looks like he dominated in the FCS the way Stephen Curry dominates in the NBA, that's not even close, his team has won 5 straight championships, three without him and averaged more points per game when he was out with an injury last season (including going 8-0), NDSU didn't need Wentz to dominante.

Also, if you pick him at #2 or even at the top 5, you are implying he is as good as Steve McNair, the highest drafted FCS QB, as a prospect, McNair destroyed his competition on a lesser team, he was even a Heisman finalist and despite being raw to a point he had to sit first, he was much more ready than Wentz.

Wentz didn't even win the award of best offensive player in the FCS like Romo and Garoppolo, as we know, Garoppolo went in the 2nd round in a much stronger QB class and Romo was a UDFA.

The hype around him it's crazy and based entirely on potential and tools, the type of hype that led Gabbert to go top 10 but Russell Wilson to fall to the 3rd round because he is short.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Wow look at this comment from the article

Michael
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Wentz stares down his receivers too often, his feet aren't fluid, he can't make past the first read and is oblivious to pressure, he reminds me of Jake Locker and Weeden, he literally freezes in the pocket when his first read isn't open.

If he didn't look like a prototypical NFL QB with his 6'5" frame he would be a 5th round pick.

I don't see any problem with level of competition but they way people talk about him it looks like he dominated in the FCS the way Stephen Curry dominates in the NBA, that's not even close, his team has won 5 straight championships, three without him and averaged more points per game when he was out with an injury last season (including going 8-0), NDSU didn't need Wentz to dominante.

Also, if you pick him at #2 or even at the top 5, you are implying he is as good as Steve McNair, the highest drafted FCS QB, as a prospect, McNair destroyed his competition on a lesser team, he was even a Heisman finalist and despite being raw to a point he had to sit first, he was much more ready than Wentz.

Wentz didn't even win the award of best offensive player in the FCS like Romo and Garoppolo, as we know, Garoppolo went in the 2nd round in a much stronger QB class and Romo was a UDFA.

The hype around him it's crazy and based entirely on potential and tools, the type of hype that led Gabbert to go top 10 but Russell Wilson to fall to the 3rd round because he is short.

Valid points. Especially the fact he wasn't even the best offensive player in the FCS.

The hype has approached ridiculous levels.

 

[KB1122]

I've said it before .... If Wentz had gone to Ohio State instead of North Dakota State he'd be the consensus #1 pick.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I've said it before .... If Wentz had gone to Ohio State instead of North Dakota State he'd be the consensus #1 pick.

Based on what? His measurables? Nobody is denying he's the QB you would create in a lab. He's off the charts from a physical and mental standpoint. But he played on a team so dominant against weak competition that they didn't lose a beat without him. The only way you can guarantee he'd be the consensus #1 pick if he played at Ohio State is if he dominated on the field. Maybe he would.

 

[CATCH17]

Based on what? His measurables? Nobody is denying he's the QB you would create in a lab. He's off the charts from a physical and mental standpoint. But he played on a team so dominant against weak competition that they didn't lose a beat without him. The only way you can guarantee he'd be the consensus #1 pick if he played at Ohio State is if he dominated on the field. Maybe he would.

NFL scouts look more at potential going forward and not really their college resume.


If you have off the charts mental makeup, physical ability, and work ethic then that is the recipe for success at this level.

 

[Cowboy06]

Wait what? Way too many questions and holes, yet you want to trade away picks to move up three spots? That logic doesn't really make sense. We would have to give up either our first, second and third this year or a future first. All this for a kid who played a season and a half in FCS but is winning the underwear Olympics. No thanks.

Stop using logic. It's confusing in it's clarity. Some people!!! Geez...

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[vicjagger]

Wait what? Way too many questions and holes, yet you want to trade away picks to move up three spots? That logic doesn't really make sense. We would have to give up either our first, second and third this year or a future first. All this for a kid who played a season and a half in FCS but is winning the underwear Olympics. No thanks.

Our 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 6th would still leave us short of #1.

 

[egn22]

Another comment from the article

Corey
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Andrew Luck was not Andrew Luck because he had a 4.0 at Stanford, was a good athlete for his tall and large frame, and could throw both fastballs and touch passes. No, Andrew Luck was Andrew Luck because, against elite D-1 NCAA competition, he showed the ability to translate that intelligence into an ability to read defenses and know a playbook inside and out; to use his athleticism when needed to supplement his ample throwing skill; and to utilize his ability to throw fastballs and touch passes to put balls into the tightest of windows. This is what made him a surefire, can't-miss no.1 overall prospect.

Carson Wentz hasn't remotely proved any of that yet. Might happen, might not, but the comparison is silly.

 

[egn22]

And another one... These guys are all making valid points

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  While I'm sure Wentz is a great athlete & I wish him well in the NFL, Cosell is comparing apples to oranges here. I'm sure Wentz is a very smart young man but maintaining a 4.0 at ND State is NOT the same as Luck's 3.48 GPA in Architectural Design at Stanford especially not indicating Wentz's major (I'm not being a snob but who would actually argue that?). Also throwing for a winning TD, while memorable for ANY quarterback, against Northern Iowa is not the same as beating the likes of USC, Notre Dame or Oregon. Luck was considered a "can't miss, once-in-a-lifetime QB" because he played outstandingly at a FBS (Div-I) school against other top flight FBS opponents. I'm not saying Wentz can't succeed in the NFL but he has to prove he can compete at the NFL level against players that mostly came out of FBS programs.
  
  

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Another comment from the article

Corey
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Andrew Luck was not Andrew Luck because he had a 4.0 at Stanford, was a good athlete for his tall and large frame, and could throw both fastballs and touch passes. No, Andrew Luck was Andrew Luck because, against elite D-1 NCAA competition, he showed the ability to translate that intelligence into an ability to read defenses and know a playbook inside and out; to use his athleticism when needed to supplement his ample throwing skill; and to utilize his ability to throw fastballs and touch passes to put balls into the tightest of windows. This is what made him a surefire, can't-miss no.1 overall prospect.

Carson Wentz hasn't remotely proved any of that yet. Might happen, might not, but the comparison is silly.

Agreed.

It's very silly.

Many hope a guy who was no higher than a 2nd round pick until after the 1st of the year is a "franchise" QB. "Hope" is not a plan.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Don't make me Wentz.

 

[Plankton]

Agreed.

It's very silly.

Many hope a guy who was no higher than a 2nd round pick until after the 1st of the year is a "franchise" QB. "Hope" is not a plan.

This whole "no higher than a 2nd round pick until after the first of the year" is complete nonsense.

Do you really think that NFL teams didn't view Wentz as being a first rounder? Or, is it just the prognosticators, who are not the ones actually making decisions on stacking a board and making selections in the draft?

Just because you didn't hear about him in that light doesn't mean that he was never given that consideration by those that count.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

This whole "no higher than a 2nd round pick until after the first of the year" is complete nonsense.

Do you really think that NFL teams didn't view Wentz as being a first rounder? Or, is it just the prognosticators, who are not the ones actually making decisions on stacking a board and making selections in the draft?

Just because you didn't hear about him in that light doesn't mean that he was never given that consideration by those that count.

Except there hasn't been this much hyper-bowl since Tim Tebow and Michael Sam.

 

[bodi]

award of best offensive player in the FCS in 2105 was WR- Cooper Kupp

so no QB was better than Wentz as far as you know

and defense - Montana’s Tyrone Holmes is the Defensive Player of the Year and

 

[Risen Star]

He's better than Luck.

Now they compare him to Luck. Next year they will compare him to Brady. And then they will call him incomparable. A sunburnt savior.