Greg Cosell: Wentz/Luck Comparisons Valid

[Risen Star]

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Corey
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Andrew Luck was not Andrew Luck because he had a 4.0 at Stanford, was a good athlete for his tall and large frame, and could throw both fastballs and touch passes. No, Andrew Luck was Andrew Luck because, against elite D-1 NCAA competition, he showed the ability to translate that intelligence into an ability to read defenses and know a playbook inside and out; to use his athleticism when needed to supplement his ample throwing skill; and to utilize his ability to throw fastballs and touch passes to put balls into the tightest of windows. This is what made him a surefire, can't-miss no.1 overall prospect.

Carson Wentz hasn't remotely proved any of that yet. Might happen, might not, but the comparison is silly.

In order to believe that you have to believe nobody from a smaller school can. Otherwise you can compare.

I can compare. He's better than Luck.

 

[Risen Star]

You take away picks that weakens this year's team in order to select a potential future starter then you take away Romo's chance to end his career on a high note...

No. I can't see the Cowboys doing that.

I'm more interested in maximizing the value of the pick for the Cowboys future.

To make draft day decisions based on some fixation of a short term run with Romo would be highly idiotic.

They'll probably do it. And you'll support it. You already wrote that blank check of support. Whatever they did, it was the right thing.

 

[Risen Star]

Notice where he talks about his ease going through progressions?

That progressions knock you've read around here? It's made up. They're hoping you'll just take their word for it. Not only is he not weak there but he is vastly superior in that area than any other QB in this draft. It's one of his defining strengths.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

That limb is going to break your neck, but you'll still get likes for FaceBook Boy.

 

[Risen Star]

Agreed.

It's very silly.

Many hope a guy who was no higher than a 2nd round pick until after the 1st of the year is a "franchise" QB. "Hope" is not a plan.

No higher than a 2nd round pick from who? Kiper's been talking about him as a first round possibility for two years. Is this your first rodeo? Do I have to tell you how meaningless the criticism is of a smaller school guy seeing his stock rise significantly once the season ends and the magnifying glass goes on these prospects? DeMarcus Ware was no better than a 2nd round pick until March. Then he became a top 10 projection. It meant nothing.

Now here's the deal. I have an opinion. You don't. You finally admitted to it recently saying no matter who the Cowboys pick you will support the decision. The odds are very long the Cowboys, being so poorly run by a fraud, will take Wentz. You know this. Everybody knows this. So this is what causes you to have this take on Wentz. It has absolutely nothing to do with his actual ability.

And if they shock the world and select him you will immediately change your mind and see the wisdom of the decision.

You know I'm right. You already said so.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

No higher than a 2nd round pick from who? Kiper's been talking about him as a first round possibility for two years. Is this your first rodeo? Do I have to tell you how meaningless the criticism is of a smaller school guy seeing his stock rise significantly once the season ends and the magnifying glass goes on these prospects? DeMarcus Ware was no better than a 2nd round pick until March. Then he became a top 10 projection. It meant nothing.

Now here's the deal. I have an opinion. You don't. You finally admitted to it recently saying no matter who the Cowboys pick you will support the decision. The odds are very long the Cowboys, being so poorly run by a fraud, will take Wentz. You know this. Everybody knows this. So this is what causes you to have this take on Wentz. It has absolutely nothing to do with his actual ability.

And if they shock the world and select him you will immediately change your mind and see the wisdom of the decision.

You know I'm right. You already said so.

Opinions are cheap.

Right opinions are useful.

 

[slick325]

The QB of Peace/the QB of the World/Carson of Bizmark will not be there at pick #4. The debate about whether Dallas will take him needs to shift to what price does a 4-12 team with holes on defense and lack of depth on offense pay to get the QB Grail.

What do you give up to land him at #1? Even drafting him at #4 eliminates a starter from your draft for years. Dallas' 2nd and 3rd round picks have to be day one starters if a QB is taken. If the team trades up to #1 then there goes one if not both of those picks plus a future 1st. What price do you pay if you still want to compete in the years Romo has left?

 

[Stash]

The QB of Peace/the QB of the World/Carson of Bizmark will not be there at pick #4. The debate about whether Dallas will take him needs to shift to what price does a 4-12 team with holes on defense and lack of depth on offense pay to get the QB Grail.

What do you give up to land him at #1? Even drafting him at #4 eliminates a starter from your draft for years. Dallas' 2nd and 3rd round picks have to be day one starters if a QB is taken. If the team trades up to #1 then there goes one if not both of those picks plus a future 1st. What price do you pay if you still want to compete in the years Romo has left?

If you were in 'win now' mode, free agency was the place to do your work. Anyone thinking that you can go into the draft and fill immediate needs is kidding themselves.

The team added three first round talents last year and the overall impact on the win-loss record was negligible.

To expect just one first round talent to change the team's fates is ridiculous. Use the top 4 pick you have now to obtain a franchise-changing player at quarterback to put your team in good position for years and years to come.

 

[egn22]

The QB of Peace/the QB of the World/Carson of Bizmark will not be there at pick #4. The debate about whether Dallas will take him needs to shift to what price does a 4-12 team with holes on defense and lack of depth on offense pay to get the QB Grail.

What do you give up to land him at #1? Even drafting him at #4 eliminates a starter from your draft for years. Dallas' 2nd and 3rd round picks have to be day one starters if a QB is taken. If the team trades up to #1 then there goes one if not both of those picks plus a future 1st. What price do you pay if you still want to compete in the years Romo has left?

I've been going back and forth on it but I'm officially out on moving up for Wentz.

 

[slick325]

If you were in 'win now' mode, free agency was the place to do your work. Anyone thinking that you can go into the draft and fill immediate needs is kidding themselves.

The team added three first round talents last year and the overall impact on the win-loss record was negligible.

To expect just one first round talent to change the team's fates is ridiculous. Use the top 4 pick you have now to obtain a franchise-changing player at quarterback to put your team in good position for years and years to come.

How much do you pay to get the Titans pick?

 

[Stash]

How much do you pay to get the Titans pick?

I don't think I would pay that cost. I'm counting on one of the two top quarterbacks being there at #4. I think that both can be franchise quarterbacks in this league. If, by some chance, trades happen and both are gone? I won't fault the Cowboys for that. There will still be a great player available and I will know that Dallas didn't pass on a potential franchise quarterback when they had the chance.

 

[slick325]

I think what is being lost among the fan base is the fact that the team you can put around your franchise QB is of the utmost importance. Giving up picks to move up for Wentz will lead to less talent around him once he is the starter. Unless Dallas were to move Romo after 2016 and acquire picks.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't think I would pay that cost. I'm counting on one of the two top quarterbacks being there at #4. I think that both can be franchise quarterbacks in this league. If, by some chance, trades happen and both are gone? I won't fault the Cowboys for that. There will still be a great player available and I will know that Dallas didn't pass on a potential franchise quarterback when they had the chance.

Agreed.

And now we have the reports of Dallas going ga-ga over Lynch... so who knows.

 

[chicago JK]

I haven't seen enough of these guys but if your scouts have in near the Luck level, you do not wait at 4. You move up and leverage the resources needed to get there. Even if you have him rated on par with Winston and/or Mariota, you move up and get him. Regardless if you hope Romo has 2-4 years of good play left. Very rarely are you in this position. Does any of think Dallas will out smart the rest of the league and find their next QB late in the first round or in the middle rounds of the draft. The post Aikman years and pre Romo years were so awful. I fear looking for 5-10 years trying to find that top 10 QB. There have been teams looking for over 10 years for that QB. They are not easy to find and they very rarely fall in your lap in your draft spot either.

Now if your Scouts/GM have lower grades on these guys and don't believe they are franchise guys, than that is another story. Although if they are proven wrong, they should be held accountable.

So if these guys have high scouting grades, you swallow hard, leverage your current and future draft resources and move up.

 

[Stash]

Agreed.

And now we have the reports of Dallas going ga-ga over Lynch... so who knows.

The thing that scares me about him is that he's reported to be the Top 3 quarterback in need of the most coaching and I have little faith in any of our coaches to handle that based on their track record.