Greg Ellis, a T.O. apologist? Is this why it's time to move on?

[Hostile]

Unless your first name is Deion and your last name is Sanders, that doesn't exist. He's a good player, well above Ellis' best level, but he's nothing close to the elite talent that he's imagined to be.

I think "shut down corner" has become a much less powerful definition than it used to be. Nowadays a guy is a "shut down corner" if he is your #1 CB.

I reject that definition and always have. He's a good CB, but nowhere near a "shut down corner."

 

[Hostile]

Comparing Terence Newman to Greg Ellis is laughable.

Terence Newman challenged the coaches and players to be accountable for their play on the field. Some didn't agree with the way he delivered the message, but it must have worked. Dallas and Newman played one of their very best games of the season against the Giants on national t.v.

He called the unnamed sources "cowards".

Newman was taken out of context by JJT at the DMN after his interview was a non-story and old news. The NFL Network ran with it.

This isn't about Owens.

It's about Greg Ellis' declining, overrated play on the field.

You don't understand. That is the off season theme.

 

[28 Joker]

Did you bother making quotes from everyone on the team, including coaches and FO folks?

Until then, you sort of wasted your time, "no disrespect". My point is, most players have concerns and lots of players have issues with contracts, playing roles, etc... Problem is, if you're a nobody, the media doesn't care.

If I were in that locker room, I could give you plenty to write about. Don't think it's just Ellis, or you're living in wonderland.

I listened to Greg Ellis' interview on DC Fanatics web site.

This is about Greg Ellis.

Ellis sounds just like your boy Terrell Owens, and he's getting booted, too.

Both players hold themselves in such high esteem and loves to point fingers for failure.

 

[Primetime42]

I will when the top corners start playing in the slot.

And for Larrycanadian, I'm sorry I just don't feel like responding, maybe tomorrow but it's too big to mess with right now.

Most of the "top corners" couldn't do it as effectively as he does.

That's only the nickel package anyway. He's just as unbeatable lining up outside on the left.

But you'll choose to ignore that

 

[Clove]

I listened to Greg Ellis' interview on DC Fanatics web site.

This is about Greg Ellis.

Ellis sounds just like your boy Terrell Owens, and he's getting booted, too.

Both players hold themselves in such high esteem and loves to point fingers for failure.

I'm pretty sure your boy's pointed fingers around, let's see him say some of the things he's said last year and in the offseason in 3 years when Scandrick or Jenkins are studs and Newman is on the downside, adios amigos.

 

[Clove]

Most of the "top corners" couldn't do it as effectively as he does.

That's only the nickel package anyway. He's just as unbeatable lining up outside on the left.

But you'll choose to ignore that

When he starts pouring in the INTs, i'll start listening.

 

[Primetime42]

When he starts pouring in the INTs, i'll start listening.

Not his fault that the only time QBs throw his way is when they think they have an advantage because he's hurt.

Newman's as good as any corner in football as far as coverage with the pass happy rules we have today.

 

[28 Joker]

I think "shut down corner" has become a much less powerful definition than it used to be. Nowadays a guy is a "shut down corner" if he is your #1 CB.

I reject that definition and always have. He's a good CB, but nowhere near a "shut down corner."

Hostile,

Terence Newman is an elite player.

Newman is great in press man, he is great in zone, he can play tight or off. He is a great run support player. He plays screens and takes away the short stuff. He has shut down elite TEs from the slot. He shut down Dallas Clark inside. Clark, Peyton Manning's go to guy inside, was held to 1-5-1. Clark caught a TD on Roy Williams. He has shut down Jeremy Shockey in his hey day. Dallas about blew that 2005 game when they put Roy Williams on him at the end of the game.

I saw Dallas Clark torch Champ Bailey out of the slot. He lit him up for over 100 yards.

He has run stride for stride with Randy Moss on post routes (2007) and lived to tell about it.

Newman has shut down small receivers, big receivers, and TEs. Newman was the main reason Plaxico Burress was held to a 1-5-0 day in the 2007 game at NY.

The defense came to life when Terence Newman came back healthy last year. Newman was the missing ingrediant. Newman shrinks the field, and he has been the guy that the other team wouldn't even challenge. Teams have avoided him.

When you put him on the other team's best WR, that is going to force them to throw at him some. You saw the results. (4 picks in 7 games.)

The rules are geared towards the offense, and Newman is one of Dallas' very best players, and he has been since the day he was drafted.

Newman could have made the Pro Bowl his rookie year. He should have made the Pro Bowl in 2005 and 2006. He finally got his due in 2007 and would have made it last year if it wasn't for the idiot that fell on him. His 2004 YPA was outstanding, and he played dinged up.

I'll tell you this.

Deion Sanders isn't anywhere near the slot player Terence Newman is.

Sanders hated covering crossing routes. (See the Steelers attacking him in the Super Bowl.)

 

[28 Joker]

I'm pretty sure your boy's pointed fingers around, let's see him say some of the things he's said last year and in the offseason in 3 years when Scandrick or Jenkins are studs and Newman is on the downside, adios amigos.

Terence Newman will defy his age. He's a freak of nature. I'll be laughing at all his uneducated "doubters" when he's playing at an elite level at 33 and 34 years old.

By the way.

Charles Woodson plays the slot.

Terence Newman hasn't pointed fingers, but he shut down your boy Terell Owens in 2004 and 2005.

 

[Clove]

Deion Sanders isn't anywhere near the slot player Terence Newman is.

Okay...

 

[Clove]

Terence Newman will defy his age. He's a freak of nature. I'll be laughing at all his uneducated "doubters" when he's playing at an elite level at 33 and 34 years old.

By the way.

Charles Woodson plays the slot.

BTW, Newman lost us the game in Pittsburgh

 

[Hostile]

Hostile,

Terence Newman is an elite player.

Newman is great in press man, he is great in zone, he can play tight or off. He is a great run support player. He plays screens and takes away the short stuff. He has shut down elite TEs from the slot. He shut down Dallas Clark inside. Clark, Peyton Manning's go to guy inside, was held to 1-5-1. Clark caught a TD on Roy Williams. He has shut down Jeremy Shockey in his hey day. Dallas about blew that 2005 game when they put Roy Williams on him at the end of the game.

I saw Dallas Clark torch Champ Bailey out of the slot. He lit him up for over 100 yards.

He has run stride for stride with Randy Moss on post routes (2007) and lived to tell about it.

Newman has shut down small receivers, big receivers, and TEs. Newman was the main reason Plaxico Burress was held to a 1-5-0 day in the 2007 game at NY.

The defense came to life when Terence Newman came back healthy last year. Newman was the missing ingrediant. Newman shrinks the field, and he has been the guy that the other team wouldn't even challenge. Teams have avoided him.

When you put him on the other team's best WR, that is going to force them to throw at him some. You saw the results. (4 picks in 7 games.)

The rules are geared towards the offense, and Newman is one of Dallas' very best players, and he has been since the day he was drafted.

Newman could have made the Pro Bowl his rookie year. He should have made the Pro Bowl in 2005 and 2006. He finally got his due in 2007, and would have made it last year if it wasn't for the idiot that fell on him.

I'll tell you this.

Deion Sanders isn't anywhere near the slot player Terence Newman is.

Sanders hated covering crossing routes. (See the Steelers attacking him in the Super Bowl.)

First of all I would have never played Deion Sanders in the slot, so regardless of whether Newman is better there I find that irrelevant to overall value.

Newman elite? For the sake of agreement I will accede to this definition of him. Elite to me doesn't equal "shut down corner" either. Champ Bailey is not a shut down corner.

In truth, love him or hate him, Deion Sanders is really the only guy I have ever seen who fit that definition. A guy who was so dangerous that QBs threw to theopposite side of the field just so they didn't have to deal with him. He changed game plans. That is what makes a "shut down corner." A guy so dangerous that a gameplan has to be changed.

I like Newman, but not team has ever changed their gameplan to avoid him.

 

[28 Joker]

When he starts pouring in the INTs, i'll start listening.

Here's one.

Have yourself a nice 2-24-0 day.

 

[Clove]

Here's one.

Have yourself a nice 2-24-0 day.

1 probowl in how many years in the league, and a top 5 pick?

You have a nice day too.

 

[28 Joker]

First of all I would have never played Deion Sanders in the slot, so regardless of whether Newman is better there I find that irrelevant to overall value.

Newman elite? For the sake of agreement I will accede to this definition of him. Elite to me doesn't equal "shut down corner" either. Champ Bailey is not a shut down corner.

In truth, love him or hate him, Deion Sanders is really the only guy I have ever seen who fit that definition. A guy who was so dangerous that QBs threw to theopposite side of the field just so they didn't have to deal with him. He changed game plans. That is what makes a "shut down corner." A guy so dangerous that a gameplan has to be changed.

I like Newman, but not team has ever changed their gameplan to avoid him.

I get what you are saying about Sanders. He was great, but he used to brag about "staying close to the sidelines".

Sanders never had to cover WRs like Steve Smith out of the slot, because he lived on the sidelines. The sidelines are a CBs best friend. Anthony Henry should only be playing cover 2 at this stage in his career, so he can stay close to them.

Teams have avoided Newman.

Anthony Henry led the league in targets with 104 in 2006.

Henry was a decent player before he lost a step and couldn't cover post routes.

Teams have shied away from attacking Newman, and when they have attacked him, they have paid.

If Arizona plays Santonio Holmes as well as Newman did, they get a shiny new ring. Holmes roasted them. Newman made one very uncharacteristic mental error. He got too aggressive and gave Holmes his only big play. Otherwise, he did take care of Holmes that day. The defense pulled off a goalline stand and picked him up.

Players like Asante Samuel, Charles Woodson, Al Harris, Rhonde Barber, DeAngelo Hall ect... have all been proclaimed better than Newman.

That's just dead wrong.

They are no better than Terence Newman.

Terence Newman prevents big plays and keeps points off the scoreboard, and he defends the entire field at an elite level.

Having Terence Newman (in zone) pass Steve Smith off to Roy Williams, in the deep third ,in the 2007 Divsional playoff game (before the half) helped cost Dallas that game.

He's underrated and undervalued.

Except for Dallas (organization), they paid him.

 

[28 Joker]

1 probowl in how many years in the league, and a top 5 pick?

You have a nice day too.

I was taling about Owens having a "nice day".


Look, judas.

I get defensive about Newman, because he is vastly underrated and my favorite player. I used to have to defend him on Vela's web site. He was underrated by the fans, much less the league. He's one of the most underrated players that I've have ever seen. He gives up a 12 yard skinny post and fans go nuts, never mind that is was the only catch he gave up the entire game.

I saw you list Newman as your number 3 overall Cowboy.

Why the change in tune?

You really need to get over Terrell Owens being released.

My post was on Greg Ellis, and you attacked Terence Newman without cause.

I'll defend Newman every time.

He's not appreciated enough.

 

[jobberone]

I agree with Hos. There is Sanders then everyone else. Ever. Newman is in the top tier of CBs in this league. He is not a shutdown corner. I'm talking coverage now not overall play. Sanders was a wussy, too, just to keep it real.

 

[Clove]

I was taling about Owens having a "nice day".


Look, judas.

I get defensive about Newman, because he is vastly underrated and my favorite player. I used to have to defend him on Vela's web site. He was underrated by the fans, much less the league. He's one of the most underrated players that I've have ever seen. He gives up a 12 yard skinny post and fans go nuts, never mind that is was the only catch he gave up the entire game.

I saw you list Newman as your number 3 overall Cowboy.

Why the change in tune?

You really need to get over Terrell Owens being released.

My post was on Greg Ellis, and you attacked Terence Newman without cause.

I'll defend Newman every time.

He's not appreciated enough.

I love Newman's talent, I especially love listening to him, I think he's a good guy, fabulous player.

I thought that bit he did with the roller coaster was one of the funniest things I'd seen a player do off field. But for argument purposes, if I need to make a point, no one is off limits.

 

[28 Joker]

I agree with Hos. There is Sanders then everyone else. Ever. Newman is in the top tier of CBs in this league. He is not a shutdown corner. I'm talking coverage now not overall play. Sanders was a wussy, too, just to keep it real.

I applaud you for that statement.

 

[28 Joker]

I love Newman's talent, I especially love listening to him, I think he's a good guy, fabulous player.

I thought that bit he did with the roller coaster was one of the funniest things I'd seen a player do off field. But for argument purposes, if I need to make a point, no one is off limits.

Judas or Clove,


Has Newman made a few comments that he wished he had back?

Probably. I can think of two or three off the top of my head.

I can think of a couple, but they are not even in Greg Ellis' universe, not even close.

We can agree to disagree and move past that. The people can decide for themselves.

I don't think Newman had any malicious intent with his "deer in the headlights" comment, in regards to Roy Williams. He probably wanted it back.

He probably shouldn't have gone on the radio before the 2007 Lions game, after the stuff Kitna said about him and Bradie James, and talked about laying a lick on Kitna. DeMarcus Ware took care of that. He drilled him and took the flag. It would make me mad, too. Kitna showed no class. However, that isn't the best solution to Kitna's words. That was a extremely rare thing for him and out of character. He got labeled a thug that week by some. Plus, those comments were directed at the other team.

JJT (DMN) went after Newman, imo. He took him out of context and made a non-story (2 or 3 weeks prior) into a story. Newman had no malicious intent towards Tony Romo, imvso. If people listen to the entire iinterview (in context) and use basic knowledge, comprehension, and analysis skills, they should be able to understand what Newman was saying. I understood him the first time.

Romo and Newman are good friends. JJT just wanted a tabloid story with Romo and Jessica Simpson's name in the headlines, imo. He attacked two birds with one stone (Romo and Newman). He used Newman to attack that angle, the Jessica causes me to play bad angle. He just did it indirectly by using Newman and going at him.

Newman made a comment about wanting the defense to play a little differently. I thought that was minor. Even, I didn't agree with him, because I liked what I saw when Newman came back into the lineup. You saw aggressive press man coverage and a nasty pass rush.

Other than that stuff, I don't know what you are talking about.

Newman challenged the players and coaches to be accountable for their play, and it must have worked. Newman was player of the game, with Ware. The team played great on defense, and the offense gutted out a great win.

I went along with signing Owens and Pacrat.

Pacrat helped us, but they should have kicked him off the team instead of going the direction that they did, after he had that incident.

Dallas got two good years out of Owens and his 10 TDs were helpful.

You need to buy yourself a Felix Jones jersey and stay with your team.