Greg Hardy 9-11 Call Transcript and Moral/legal issues thread **merged**

[speedkilz88]

How are we still debating this? Who cares. If he was played by the "poor little girl" or was the agressor, case is over.

Because Dale Hansen had a tantrum last night and has continued it today.

 

[Szczepanik]

Do not make this thread about social/economic/political/racial/religious/civil/legal issues or any other burr under your saddle that YOU SHOULD know aren't welcome here.

Add in agricultural and I think you covered everything.

 

[TheDude]

Because Dale Hansen had a tantrum last night and has continued it today.

I live in CA. Does anyone put stock in his view locally? hardy issues not being focused on here in the left coast. hansen isn't national I guess

 

[thisiscowboyscountry]

5331"]On Wednesday, just hours after Greg Hardy signed an incentive-laden one-year deal with the Dallas Cowboys, the NFL filed another petition in a North Carolina court. The message, whether intentional or not, is that Hardy's disciplinary process did not end when he settled with the alleged victim in a domestic violence case.

http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-commentary/article/12510331/why-greg-hardy-long-way-playing-cowboys[/quote]

I personally

Everybody knew going in that he is going to be suspended..................the only question is, how many games?

Some say 6, some say 4, some say 2.................nobody really knows for sure, but everybody is in agreement that he will be suspended. This basically is the Ben Rothlisberger rule, where you can be suspended even though no actual criminal charges were ever filed.

For those that don't know, Big Ben was accused of raping a women in the bathroom of a club. He was investigated, but the DA said there was not enough evidence to prosecute so all charges were dropped. The league then suspended him for 6 games, thus the precedent was set that you can be disciplined even if no charges are ever filed.

Its hard to predict. The nfl could also consider the time he was held out last year as his punishment. Maybe he is suspended 1 game which would technically be a whole season of sitting out. Though APs case was different he wont face suspension time and sat out the same amount of time as hardy last year. Josh Brent was suspended 10 games after serving jail time after being convicted. I honestly would be surprised if he got more than 4 games.

 

[Zekeats]

Here is the truth about what happen. Greg Hardy is a piece of **** who beat his girlfriend one night out of drunken jealousy. He may have never hit her, but he did throw her around, he did drag her by her hair, he did slam a toilet seat on her arm and he did wrap his hands around her neck and choked her. He also threatened to kill her.
For those of you looking for reasons to vouch for the signing need to stop. You all sound ignorant and dumb. Stop saying the judge who sentenced him was a women's rights advocate. Stop saying the victim was all coked up. Stop saying he was the only one from the Panthers who showed up to DeAngelo Williams mothers funeral. While what I just mentioned may be true so is what I mentioned in the above paragraph.
If it was your daughter or a friend I am sure you would not be trying to defend him, instead you would be on here telling us all what a no good piece of **** he is and how dare we try and justify and protect his horrible actions. She is not a family member of anyone here and neither is Hardy. Who are we to judge her and call her a liar. I think a lot of people on here need to take a good look in the mirror and man up and stop trying to find a reason to accept him on your/our favorite sports team.
I for one am happy he is a Cowboy. It may seem like I am contradicting myself but I always want the best players possible for my team to win but by no means will I sit here and defend the horrible facts. Now I also believe in second chances. I believe that one horrible drunk night(Josh Brent) should not ruin a persons entire life. This guy has been punished and now has to live with the fact that he has assaulted a helpless female for the rest of his life. The NFL will suspend him too as they should.
There is a reason he was found guilty. There is a reason he paid her off and she has not come around and her attorney has not responded. There is a reason why he was exempt all of last season and there is a reason why the NFL is going to suspend him. There is also a reason why 30 other teams did not even have this guy come to there facility.
I guess my point is I am happy about the signing because it makes our team better but by no means will I be defending him or his actions and neither should anyone on here. What happened, happened and if you keep trying to tell yourself it didn't then you are no better than Hardy himself. Root for your team and root for him to produce for our team but don't try and justify him or bring down a victim of domestic violence because it just makes you look very, very small.

 

[JBS]

And you know all of this because you were there right?

And we should all just take your word for it...

Sounds legit

 

[Playmaker247]

Congrats

 

[Danger]

K

 

[Manwiththeplan]

....did this really need it's own thread? there is a perfectly good one where this could have gone

 

[NeonNinja]

....did this really need it's own thread? there is a perfectly good one where this could have gone

Someone is in need of attention.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Here is the truth about what happen. Greg Hardy is a piece of **** who beat his girlfriend one night out of drunken jealousy. He may have never hit her, but he did throw her around, he did drag her by her hair, he did slam a toilet seat on her arm and he did wrap his hands around her neck and choked her. He also threatened to kill her.
For those of you looking for reasons to vouch for the signing need to stop. You all sound ignorant and dumb. Stop saying the judge who sentenced him was a women's rights advocate. Stop saying the victim was all coked up. Stop saying he was the only one from the Panthers who showed up to DeAngelo Williams mothers funeral. While what I just mentioned may be true so is what I mentioned in the above paragraph.
If it was your daughter or a friend I am sure you would not be trying to defend him, instead you would be on here telling us all what a no good piece of **** he is and how dare we try and justify and protect his horrible actions. She is not a family member of anyone here and neither is Hardy. Who are we to judge her and call her a liar. I think a lot of people on here need to take a good look in the mirror and man up and stop trying to find a reason to accept him on your/our favorite sports team.
I for one am happy he is a Cowboy. It may seem like I am contradicting myself but I always want the best players possible for my team to win but by no means will I sit here and defend the horrible facts. Now I also believe in second chances. I believe that one horrible drunk night(Josh Brent) should not ruin a persons entire life. This guy has been punished and now has to live with the fact that he has assaulted a helpless female for the rest of his life. The NFL will suspend him too as they should.
There is a reason he was found guilty. There is a reason he paid her off and she has not come around and her attorney has not responded. There is a reason why he was exempt all of last season and there is a reason why the NFL is going to suspend him. There is also a reason why 30 other teams did not even have this guy come to there facility.
I guess my point is I am happy about the signing because it makes our team better but by no means will I be defending him or his actions and neither should anyone on here. What happened, happened and if you keep trying to tell yourself it didn't then you are no better than Hardy himself. Root for your team and root for him to produce for our team but don't try and justify him or bring down a victim of domestic violence because it just makes you look very, very small.

Reminds me of Kenny Rogers song...

Titled: I Don't Need You baby


Now hear me out... The whole song, he songs I don't need you in all these ways..

Then the last line is.... " I don't need you baby.....OR DO I ?"



First thing I thought of was that song. Lol

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Hardy has already missed games so that could factor in.

I'm hoping his missed games count for something too, but it's my understanding that while he was on the exempt list he was still getting paid, so they may not count for much.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Here is the truth about what happen. Greg Hardy is a piece of **** who beat his girlfriend one night out of drunken jealousy. He may have never hit her, but he did throw her around, he did drag her by her hair, he did slam a toilet seat on her arm and he did wrap his hands around her neck and choked her. He also threatened to kill her.
For those of you looking for reasons to vouch for the signing need to stop. You all sound ignorant and dumb. Stop saying the judge who sentenced him was a women's rights advocate. Stop saying the victim was all coked up. Stop saying he was the only one from the Panthers who showed up to DeAngelo Williams mothers funeral. While what I just mentioned may be true so is what I mentioned in the above paragraph.
If it was your daughter or a friend I am sure you would not be trying to defend him, instead you would be on here telling us all what a no good piece of **** he is and how dare we try and justify and protect his horrible actions. She is not a family member of anyone here and neither is Hardy. Who are we to judge her and call her a liar. I think a lot of people on here need to take a good look in the mirror and man up and stop trying to find a reason to accept him on your/our favorite sports team.
I for one am happy he is a Cowboy. It may seem like I am contradicting myself but I always want the best players possible for my team to win but by no means will I sit here and defend the horrible facts. Now I also believe in second chances. I believe that one horrible drunk night(Josh Brent) should not ruin a persons entire life. This guy has been punished and now has to live with the fact that he has assaulted a helpless female for the rest of his life. The NFL will suspend him too as they should.
There is a reason he was found guilty. There is a reason he paid her off and she has not come around and her attorney has not responded. There is a reason why he was exempt all of last season and there is a reason why the NFL is going to suspend him. There is also a reason why 30 other teams did not even have this guy come to there facility.
I guess my point is I am happy about the signing because it makes our team better but by no means will I be defending him or his actions and neither should anyone on here. What happened, happened and if you keep trying to tell yourself it didn't then you are no better than Hardy himself. Root for your team and root for him to produce for our team but don't try and justify him or bring down a victim of domestic violence because it just makes you look very, very small.

Sounds like you need anger management classes. Ducks in fear.

 

[speedkilz88]

And you know all of this because you were there right?

And we should all just take your word for it...

Sounds legit

At first I thought you might be replying to me. I finally figured out it was to someone I have on ignore.

 

[revospeed]

Here is the truth about what happen. Greg Hardy is a piece of **** who beat his girlfriend one night out of drunken jealousy. He may have never hit her, but he did throw her around, he did drag her by her hair, he did slam a toilet seat on her arm and he did wrap his hands around her neck and choked her. He also threatened to kill her.
For those of you looking for reasons to vouch for the signing need to stop. You all sound ignorant and dumb. Stop saying the judge who sentenced him was a women's rights advocate. Stop saying the victim was all coked up. Stop saying he was the only one from the Panthers who showed up to DeAngelo Williams mothers funeral. While what I just mentioned may be true so is what I mentioned in the above paragraph.
If it was your daughter or a friend I am sure you would not be trying to defend him, instead you would be on here telling us all what a no good piece of **** he is and how dare we try and justify and protect his horrible actions. She is not a family member of anyone here and neither is Hardy. Who are we to judge her and call her a liar. I think a lot of people on here need to take a good look in the mirror and man up and stop trying to find a reason to accept him on your/our favorite sports team.
I for one am happy he is a Cowboy. It may seem like I am contradicting myself but I always want the best players possible for my team to win but by no means will I sit here and defend the horrible facts. Now I also believe in second chances. I believe that one horrible drunk night(Josh Brent) should not ruin a persons entire life. This guy has been punished and now has to live with the fact that he has assaulted a helpless female for the rest of his life. The NFL will suspend him too as they should.
There is a reason he was found guilty. There is a reason he paid her off and she has not come around and her attorney has not responded. There is a reason why he was exempt all of last season and there is a reason why the NFL is going to suspend him. There is also a reason why 30 other teams did not even have this guy come to there facility.
I guess my point is I am happy about the signing because it makes our team better but by no means will I be defending him or his actions and neither should anyone on here. What happened, happened and if you keep trying to tell yourself it didn't then you are no better than Hardy himself. Root for your team and root for him to produce for our team but don't try and justify him or bring down a victim of domestic violence because it just makes you look very, very small.

You sound like mysoginist.

 

[jobberone]

Add in agricultural and I think you covered everything.

Well, dangit! I thought I had it covered. I also left out climate and national security but I also didn't want to give some any ideas.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

someone mentioned earlier... and i thought it was a good point that needed some more dialogue... so a player can be accused by a lady of something bad say hitting or pushing basically violent acts (even if it isnt true) go to trail and case be dropped and the NFL will still suspend you? whats up with that? whats going on with the NFL? this is ridiculous.

 

[Sinister]

I would bet he was being sarcastic.

God, I hope so...

 

[Dave_in-NC]

someone mentioned earlier... and i thought it was a good point that needed some more dialogue... so a player can be accused by a lady of something bad say hitting or pushing basically violent acts (even if it isnt true) go to trail and case be dropped and the NFL will still suspend you? whats up with that? whats going on with the NFL? this is ridiculous.

They have the players butts because of the personal conduct rule. If the cops were there and wrote a report the NFL becomes their court of law basically.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

They have the players butts because of the personal conduct rule. If the cops were there and wrote a report the NFL becomes their court of law basically.

thanks. so maybe im not clear on the personal conduct rule but whats the violation? is there something in the conduct rule that says you shant associate with anyone that accuses you wrongly?