News: Gregory Suspended for a year

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Are you certain he can still be at the facility during this suspension? I read somewhere earlier that he was banned from being on the premises. Not saying you're wrong, just that I have seen conflicting information.

Almost certain. After he completed his rehab he was at the Star working out every day according to local media guys. I myself saw him the few times I was there on business before he was permitted to practice.
 

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Almost certain. After he completed his rehab he was at the Star working out every day according to local media guys. I myself saw him the few times I was there on business before he was permitted to practice.
I'm aware that he was allowed to be there during his 14 game suspension, but I read an article earlier today (wish I could remember which one it was...I will look for it) that stated he could not be on the premises for his one year ban. I assumed it was because the rules are different for a one year ban as opposed to lesser suspensions. I certainly hope you're right. He would stand a much better chance of staying clean if allowed to be around the rest of the team on a regular basis, IMO. In the end, it may not matter, but at least the odds would improve some, I would think.
 
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Almost certain. After he completed his rehab he was at the Star working out every day according to local media guys. I myself saw him the few times I was there on business before he was permitted to practice.
I found the article (it is actually a DC mailbag answer regarding a reader question on Gregory's ban) . I tried posting the link here, but it didn't work(I'm technologically challenged, so forgive me). If you look at the Dallas Cowboys website in their Mailbag feature, it is there. Here is a direct quote from David Helman in his reply to a reader question:
"David: I can’t fathom how the NFL thinks it’s a good idea to banish Gregory from the facility for a year, during a time when he’s going to need structure and support more than ever..."
He clearly states that Gregory is banned from the facility for a year. Maybe he's wrong...I hope he is.
 

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Almost certain. After he completed his rehab he was at the Star working out every day according to local media guys. I myself saw him the few times I was there on business before he was permitted to practice.
There have been a couple more articles posted on the Newsfeed Forum in the last few minutes that further indicate he will not be allowed at the facility other than for occasional meetings with his clinician, so I think that it's pretty certain that he is, unfortunately, banned from being there. On a brighter side, there was a quote from JJ in the DMN article where JJ indicated that his may not be over with yet.
Here is the quote: "Jones even hinted at a possible challenge to Gregory's punishment, saying "stay tuned."
"I do have reason to be encouraged about his future," Jones said.

I don't know what any of that really means, but maybe it's not over with yet.
 

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There have been a couple more articles posted on the Newsfeed Forum in the last few minutes that further indicate he will not be allowed at the facility other than for occasional meetings with his clinician, so I think that it's pretty certain that he is, unfortunately, banned from being there. On a brighter side, there was a quote from JJ in the DMN article where JJ indicated that his may not be over with yet.
Here is the quote: "Jones even hinted at a possible challenge to Gregory's punishment, saying "stay tuned."
"I do have reason to be encouraged about his future," Jones said.

I don't know what any of that really means, but maybe it's not over with yet.


Jerry brought this up in his news conference at DC.com and definitely hinted that there are things in the works that might
affect Gregory's status and position. Of course, Jerry was trying to be coy and failing at every turn.
 

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Jerry brought this up in his news conference at DC.com and definitely hinted that there are things in the works that might
affect Gregory's status and position. Of course, Jerry was trying to be coy and failing at every turn.
I wonder what that could be about? Gregory appealed and lost. I wasn't aware that they could appeal an appeal decision.
 

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Over on Newsfeed is an ESPN story by Archer.

Can have biweekly phone calls with Cowboys' director of player development, Brian Wansley, and can meet at the Star only "with his treating clinician for treatment purposes."
 

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I wonder how.
That's the $64 question right now. I don't know of any recourse once the appeal decision is handed down. My only thought is that it may involve the courts. I'm merely speculating here. There are a number of smart, knowledgeable people that post here that might be able to shed some light on this.
 

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I wonder what that could be about? Gregory appealed and lost. I wasn't aware that they could appeal an appeal decision.

Possibly take it to a higher court? I'm sure they expect a suspension anyway, but a suspension pushed back to February would still allow Gregory to return the same time for OTAs in 2018, so why not try to get him on the field for the playoffs. Nothing really to lose anyway, I'm sure Jerry isn't pleased at how expedited this case was compared to everyone else. And screw it, we're the Dallas Cowboys, we almost single handidly saved the season with ratings from our two rookie sensations, the NFL can try to strong arm us all they want, but we won't be taken advantage of.
 

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That's the $64 question right now. I don't know of any recourse once the appeal decision is handed down. My only thought is that it may involve the courts. I'm merely speculating here. There are a number of smart, knowledgeable people that post here that might be able to shed some light on this.
I don't remember all the particulars of the deflategate stuff, but Brady appealed that to the courts after his appeal with Goodell and delayed it for a year.
 

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Possibly take it to a higher court? I'm sure they expect a suspension anyway, but a suspension pushed back to February would still allow Gregory to return the same time for OTAs in 2018, so why not try to get him on the field for the playoffs. Nothing really to lose anyway, I'm sure Jerry isn't pleased at how expedited this case was compared to everyone else. And screw it, we're the Dallas Cowboys, we almost single handidly saved the season with ratings from our two rookie sensations, the NFL can try to strong arm us all they want, but we won't be taken advantage of.
You could be right. I just can't help but feeling that there's more to the story than him simply missing a test through plain irresponsibility. Otherwise, on what basis would Gregory or the team have to fight this any further? I certainly might be wrong and I guess we'll find out...hopefully sooner rather than later.
 

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I don't remember all the particulars of the deflategate stuff, but Brady appealed that to the courts after his appeal with Goodell and delayed it for a year.
Yes, but he was fighting that based on interpretation of procedural issues relating to the Commissioner's power to hear general appeals, IIRC. Drug-related suspension procedures and resulting appeal procedures are pretty well spelled out per the CBA as far as I know.
 

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Yes, but he was fighting that based on interpretation of procedural issues relating to the Commissioner's power to hear general appeals, IIRC. Drug-related suspension procedures and resulting appeal procedures are pretty well spelled out per the CBA as far as I know.
Gregory cannot be at the facility since he is in Stage 3 banishment....he could train and attend meetings under the 4 and 10 games suspensions but not now.......

With regard to all suspensions other than a banishment imposed pursuant to Stage Three
of the Intervention Program, the Player shall be eligible to participate in all off-season(not including post-season games) and pre-season Club functions, training programs,practices, pre-season games and meetings through the date of the Club’s last pre-season game in the next NFL season. Additionally, the Player shall be eligible, at the discretion of the Club, to participate in all in-season Club functions, training programs and meetings, but not in any in-season games or practices. Not withstanding the foregoing, a Player may not participate with his team in joint press conferences with team officials on or off Club premises.

A Player banished pursuant to Stage Three of the Intervention Program may not participate with his Club in any way except to see his Treating Clinician for treatment purposes on Club property, but he must vacate the premises immediately following termination of the treatment session with the Treating Clinician.
 

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Yes, but he was fighting that based on interpretation of procedural issues relating to the Commissioner's power to hear general appeals, IIRC. Drug-related suspension procedures and resulting appeal procedures are pretty well spelled out per the CBA as far as I know.
Taking the case Federal would be pretty easy but getting a judge to give an emergency stay would be tough ..... I would still try since a banishment is a lot harder to come back from
 

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Gregory cannot be at the facility since he is in Stage 3 banishment....he could train and attend meetings under the 4 and 10 games suspensions but not now.......

With regard to all suspensions other than a banishment imposed pursuant to Stage Three
of the Intervention Program, the Player shall be eligible to participate in all off-season(not including post-season games) and pre-season Club functions, training programs,practices, pre-season games and meetings through the date of the Club’s last pre-season game in the next NFL season. Additionally, the Player shall be eligible, at the discretion of the Club, to participate in all in-season Club functions, training programs and meetings, but not in any in-season games or practices. Not withstanding the foregoing, a Player may not participate with his team in joint press conferences with team officials on or off Club premises.

A Player banished pursuant to Stage Three of the Intervention Program may not participate with his Club in any way except to see his Treating Clinician for treatment purposes on Club property, but he must vacate the premises immediately following termination of the treatment session with the Treating Clinician.
Thanks for the info, BKight. Much appreciated.
 

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In Randy Gregory's case, the missed tests are being treated as failures.
There are specific lesser penalties for marijuana failures and getting a 10 game ban is one of them
They can't say for certain that a missed test was for marijuana so they can't give the same lesser punishment for a missed test they do for a positive marijuana test

That means Gregory tested positive for marijuana after his 4 game suspension and it wasn't a missed test......... that put him into Stage 3 and in Stage 3 a missed test and a positive test both lead to banishment


(c)Ten-Game Suspension for Marijuana
If a Player’s first Positive Test Result after being advanced to Stage Three is for
marijuana, the Player shall be suspended without pay for ten (10) regular season and/or postseason games(including the Pro Bowl, if selected). For any subsequent violation (i.e., failure to comply with Treatment Plan; failure to cooperate with testing, treatment, evaluation or other requirements imposed by this Policy; or a Positive Test Result for any substance), the Player shall be banished as set forth in Paragraph(b) above.
 
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