Grizz: Obsessive rantings of a blogger on Ellis/Carpenter/Spencer

[dogunwo]

Look at the bright side Cowboys nation.......

This is a great problem to have

gone are the days of Darren Hambrick and Markus Steele

Those Hambricks sure suck dont they.........

 

[YosemiteSam]

Why argue Carpenter at inside or outside. I don't think there are any questions that Spencer will be far more dominating rushing the passer at outside linebacker than Carpenter will. I think we all know Carpenter will probably be a better inside linebacker than James or Ayodele. So, Spencer has a place and Carpenter has a place. James or Ayodele will be the odd man out. For some reason I don't have a problem with that.

 

[Alexander]

James or Ayodele will be the odd man out. For some reason I don't have a problem with that.

The best players should play.

The problem I have is the gross miscalculation.

We had James and Ayodele prior to the draft. Then we take a player like Carpenter with the intent of moving him inside? Okay, fair enough. Then why extend James? That to me is a big error if true.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Just something I've been thinking... I think we're all so used to Parcells 3-4 and how he rotated players that we're not really thinking about how Phillips rotated players. Some make mention of it, but then always refer back to the standard package Parcells rolled out. It's not about Parcells and how he did things anymore. Of course Wade has a base defense, but with the number of pressure packages they'll run, I don't think it matters who's starting or where they'll be playing.

When you listen to Wade, Ireland, and Carp. It really sounds like Carp will be the x-factor. Pretty much a man without a "defined spot" but with a definite role in the defense. They want to move him around. He may be listed as ILB or OLB, but when he hits the field, all that will be thrown out the window.

Just my thoughts...

 

[Charles]

Just something I've been thinking... I think we're all so used to Parcells 3-4 and how he rotated players that we're not really thinking about how Phillips rotated players. Some make mention of it, but then always refer back to the standard package Parcells rolled out. It's not about Parcells and how he did things anymore. Of course Wade has a base defense, but with the number of pressure packages they'll run, I don't think it matters who's starting or where they'll be playing.

When you listen to Wade, Ireland, and Carp. It really sounds like Carp will be the x-factor. Pretty much a man without a "defined spot" but with a definite role in the defense. They want to move him around. He may be listed as ILB or OLB, but when he hits the field, all that will be thrown out the window.

Just my thoughts...

Exactly, it appears folks are so fixated with Bobby being a starter when infact that role you've described is JUST AS IMPORTANT as a starter. So ready to bench Bradie James as if he was the only probelm on defense late in the season. If Carp wins the gig in camp , then more power to him.

Mike Vrabel who had a similar role with the Patriots made plays all over the field during those championship seasons.

Did we as Cowboy fans forgot how important No.40 was to our championship teams?

Bobby with his intangibles could be a perfect fit for the role you've described.

 

[garyv]

Theres a difference in Ellis and Peterson and its called "AGE". If it took Ellis 2 years thats simply too long to get back to his level of play. We did not draft Spencer to sit on the bench. My opinion is start Spencer/Ware on the outside and Carpenter and Adoyole in the middle. Ellis due to age can come in behind Spencer. I would also like to see the Boyz sign Godfrey from San Diego for some Depth.

 

[Bcburns]

I will be shocked if Ellis does not get a large dose of playing time. They'll find I place to put him one way or another. Personally, I think we could see him getting significant time on the field with both Ware and Spencer, possibly playing at End again.

 

[Alexander]

possibly playing at End again.

Smashing. Then we get to hear how he's upset he is being switched back.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The best players should play.

The problem I have is the gross miscalculation.

We had James and Ayodele prior to the draft. Then we take a player like Carpenter with the intent of moving him inside? Okay, fair enough. Then why extend James? That to me is a big error if true.

I don't think that was the intent. They drafted Carpenter to be an outside LB just incase Ellis couldn't make the transistion. He did, all that was left to do was to move him inside where he actually fits better.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Just something I've been thinking... I think we're all so used to Parcells 3-4 and how he rotated players that we're not really thinking about how Phillips rotated players. Some make mention of it, but then always refer back to the standard package Parcells rolled out. It's not about Parcells and how he did things anymore. Of course Wade has a base defense, but with the number of pressure packages they'll run, I don't think it matters who's starting or where they'll be playing.

When you listen to Wade, Ireland, and Carp. It really sounds like Carp will be the x-factor. Pretty much a man without a "defined spot" but with a definite role in the defense. They want to move him around. He may be listed as ILB or OLB, but when he hits the field, all that will be thrown out the window.

Just my thoughts...

I somewhat agree. I think Carp will play all over the LB positions except weak side. Though, I still think he will end up beating out James or Ayodele for an inside spot. I think he will be used the same way they seem to be going with offensive lineman. They want a player that can play several positions and Carp looks to be one of those guys.

 

[Alexander]

I don't think that was the intent. They drafted Carpenter to be an outside LB just incase Ellis couldn't make the transistion. He did, all that was left to do was to move him inside where he actually fits better.

That was an even stranger move then.

I think the inside intent was always there first with the insurance outside second. Otherwise, not leave him outside? Was the allure of Al Singleton that great that you would stunt the development of your top choice?

 

[WoodysGirl]

I somewhat agree. I think Carp will play all over the LB positions except weak side. Though, I still think he will end up beating out James or Ayodele for an inside spot. I think he will be used the same way they seem to be going with offensive lineman. They want a player that can play several positions and Carp looks to be one of those guys.

I don't know that it's a matter of beating out either one of them. Granted I like Ayodele, especially since he really came on at the end of the season. It's been mentioned before, but I think James goes back to being a 2-down player. So whoever comes in on nickel will replace him.

Honestly Burnett is a guy I'm real curious to see how they use him. He's a guy everyone seems to forget about. This is his first offseason he's not rehabbing from something, so I'm looking forward to reports about how he's progressing.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Honestly Burnett is a guy I'm real curious to see how they use him. He's a guy everyone seems to forget about. This is his first offseason he's not rehabbing from something, so I'm looking forward to reports about how he's progressing.

Burnett is one of those guys that shows flashes of great play, but doesn't do it consistently. I think he is also better against the pass than against the run.

 

[dmq]

Just something I've been thinking... I think we're all so used to Parcells 3-4 and how he rotated players that we're not really thinking about how Phillips rotated players. Some make mention of it, but then always refer back to the standard package Parcells rolled out. It's not about Parcells and how he did things anymore. Of course Wade has a base defense, but with the number of pressure packages they'll run, I don't think it matters who's starting or where they'll be playing.

When you listen to Wade, Ireland, and Carp. It really sounds like Carp will be the x-factor. Pretty much a man without a "defined spot" but with a definite role in the defense. They want to move him around. He may be listed as ILB or OLB, but when he hits the field, all that will be thrown out the window.

Just my thoughts...

Thats how I think he is gonna be used. Up at the line, in coverage, overloading one side only to drop in coverage. Overloading and going after the passer. Delayed blitz inside. Delayed blitz outside. Possibilities are endless.

 

[eduncan22]

I think this needs to be cleared up....

Carp is a better OLB than Spencer.

The Cowboys drafted a DE, who they hope will become an OLB.

Can Spencer play that role? Who knows. I hope so.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think this needs to be cleared up....

Carp is a better OLB than Spencer.

The Cowboys drafted a DE, who they hope will become an OLB.

Can Spencer play that role? Who knows. I hope so.

Phillips like what he saw in Spencer and making the move in the 3-4 to the outside is not something Spencer will have a problem with. Ware was also a DE in college and the move had no ill effect on him. Spencer’s speed and athletic ability should have no problem

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think this needs to be cleared up....

Carp is a better OLB than Spencer.

The Cowboys drafted a DE, who they hope will become an OLB.

Can Spencer play that role? Who knows. I hope so.

How can you say that? You don't know this. I think without question, Spencer will prove to be a far better OLB rushing the passer and not any worse at stopping the run. The only question mark I see is his coverage skills which is something he also did some of at Purdue. I like Carpenter, but I don't think he would ever be a pro bowl outside linebacker. Spencer has a real shot at it.

 

[dmq]

Phillips like what he saw in Spencer and making the move in the 3-4 to the outside is not something Spencer will have a problem with. Ware was also a DE in college and the move had no ill effect on him. Spencer’s speed and athletic ability should have no problem

Ware was pretty good in his first year, but he truely became much better in coverage in his second. Spencer will have a learning curve. Ware should be a monter this year.

 

[eduncan22]

How can you say that? You don't know this. I think without question, Spencer will prove to be a far better OLB rushing the passer and not any worse at stopping the run. The only question mark I see is his coverage skills which is something he also did some of at Purdue. I like Carpenter, but I don't think he would ever be a pro bowl outside linebacker. Spencer has a real shot at it.

Carp is a natural LB. He played the position in college. He was drafted as an OLB. He's used to playing in space and traffic.

Spencer is a pass rushing DE.

Ellis made the transition to OLB. Hopefully, Spencer will be able to.

 

[tomson75]

Carp is a natural LB. He played the position in college. He was drafted as an OLB. He's used to playing in space and traffic.

Spencer is a pass rushing DE.

Ellis made the transition to OLB. Hopefully, Spencer will be able to.

I think this depends on what type of linebacker we're talking about here. In Wade's system, it seems Spencer will be filling a role similar to that of Merriman's or Phillips' role last year...a pass rush specialist OLB, a role similar to a 4-3 DE. He'll still be able to play the run, as he obviously did so as a DE, so that's not an issue. Spencer isn't going to be asked to drop back in coverage very often. In this role, I see him being more successful than Carpenter. However, in a traditional sense, I agree that Carpenter has the potential to be a better overall LB. I think that's precisely why there has been so much speculation that we'll be moving our two or three best "overall" guys (Ware, Carp) around quite a bit this year. I certainly hope the speculation proves to be true.