Grizz: Obsessive rantings of a blogger on Ellis/Carpenter/Spencer

[DallasEast]

ok, but only if you say so in small letters...

What..? :

 

[theogt]

Is this really that hard to comprehend?

All I said was UNTIL Spencer proves he can play OLB successfully, Carpenter is better, seeing as how Carpenter has proven he can play OLB.

I am NOT saying Spencer will fail. I am NOT saying Spencer was a bad pick.

ALL I am saying is that Carpenter has proven he can play OLB. Spencer hasn't.

What about my post did you not understand? I didn't say you said any of those things. You were interpreting edunce's post. My post addressed that. You also offered a statement about him not being guanteed to succeed. I offered a statement that if he's worse than Carpenter at pass-rushing, then the scout staff or someone needs to be fired. The point about pass coverage was that 3-4 OLBs are like 4-3 OLBs to the extent that they're required to play pass coverage.

 

[tunahelper]

Another scenario could be Spencer is a good pass rusher and we need more of them?

Real complicated?

 

[Chuck 54]

Here's my idea: We have Ware, Spencer, Carpenter, Burnett, James, Ayodele, and Ellis (if he doesn't move back to DE in this attacking, slanting, one-gap scheme).

I think the best 4 guys will start...period, and it has nothing to do with money...nothing. Once you're on the practice field and in the stadium on Sunday, how much money a guy makes means Nothing. If Carpenter is one of the best 2 ILB's, he'll start ahead of either James or Ayodele. You're paying this year's salaries regardless...there's no special deal applying to who's money is on the field.

If one of the LB's ends up stinking and can't get on the field even as a quality backup, then he'll be cut next offseason and we'll eat his guaranteed money...that's a fact. Except for Burnett, who's making 2nd round money, all of these guys are making decent money.

The best 4 will start...period...end of story.

 

[Rack]

What about my post did you not understand? I didn't say you said any of those things. You were interpreting edunce's post. My post addressed that. You also offered a statement about him not being guanteed to succeed. I offered a statement that if he's worse than Carpenter at pass-rushing, then the scout staff or someone needs to be fired. The point about pass coverage was that 3-4 OLBs are like 4-3 OLBs to the extent that they're required to play pass coverage.

I don't know if it is what you're saying or not, but if you're saying Carp was "Bad" at rushing the passer then you're clueless.

 

[theogt]

I don't know if it is what you're saying or not, but if you're saying Carp was "Bad" at rushing the passer then you're clueless.

I wonder why we went out and drafted a pass-rusher.

 

[Luther]

I'm very happy to have the depth.

1. An injury (2-16 weeks out) to at least one of the seven in more likely than not.

2. A fresh pass-rusher is more effective. Ware played too many downs last year IMO (supported by Parcells comments). We all worry about how many plays our RBs have. The effectiveness of defensive linemen and rushing linebackers also depends on number of plays. I would like to wear out the offensive line, just like JJ and MBIII wear out the defense.

 

[Rack]

I wonder why we went out and drafted a pass-rusher.

Cuz James is "Bad" at covering FBs.


Nuff said.

 

[theogt]

Cuz James is "Bad" at covering FBs.


Nuff said.

It's great that the move killed two birds with one stone, but it was two birds.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

This is a good debate. I think Carpenter looked pretty freakin good outside in the Seattle game. I put up 3 plays on youtube.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEBZeQkAB2I

 

[jobberone]

Just something I've been thinking... I think we're all so used to Parcells 3-4 and how he rotated players that we're not really thinking about how Phillips rotated players. Some make mention of it, but then always refer back to the standard package Parcells rolled out. It's not about Parcells and how he did things anymore. Of course Wade has a base defense, but with the number of pressure packages they'll run, I don't think it matters who's starting or where they'll be playing.

When you listen to Wade, Ireland, and Carp. It really sounds like Carp will be the x-factor. Pretty much a man without a "defined spot" but with a definite role in the defense. They want to move him around. He may be listed as ILB or OLB, but when he hits the field, all that will be thrown out the window.

Just my thoughts...

I've been trying to say that just not as well. People are not going to cubby hole Carp and guess what he's up to and that will also cause blocking problems. We need Carp for his flexibility as well as I hope Burnett. We're fine at LB. Nice post WG.

 

[theogt]

This is a good debate. I think Carpenter looked pretty freakin good outside in the Seattle game. I put up 3 plays on youtube.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEBZeQkAB2I

The 1st and the 3rd play here is what I was referring to earlier. Not sure if that was in this thread or another -- there's been so many on Carpenter/James/Spencer/Ellis lately.

 

[Rack]

It's great that the move killed two birds with one stone, but it was two birds.

I'm not saying he was great at it or even good (although for a rookie who switched positions twice, he did alright at it). I think he was about average (again, not bad considering). He sure as hell wasn't "Bad" at it.

 

[PullMyFinger]

Dont know about you guys, but I like having this problem.

 

[Rack]

Dont know about you guys, but I like having this problem.

Love the sig line.


Also, you know those doctors that specialize in the area of where Hemorrhoids occur (don't remember what they're called)? Shouldn't they be call astronauts?

 

[eduncan22]

This is a good debate. I think Carpenter looked pretty freakin good outside in the Seattle game. I put up 3 plays on youtube.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEBZeQkAB2I

Thankx for the vid.

Those were very good plays by Carp.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

As you know I'm not against Carp playing inside (especially now that we have Spencer).

I just don't necessarily think he'd be better inside (and I don't recall BP ever saying that, I could be wrong). I think he could be a probowl LB outside. He could probably make a probowl Inside too. I hope he does.

you're not wrong, BP never said that

BP's comments were that Carp is versatile and smart, so he felt he could make the transition inside rather easily, because Greg Ellis practiced so well at OLB

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The best players should play.

The problem I have is the gross miscalculation.

We had James and Ayodele prior to the draft. Then we take a player like Carpenter with the intent of moving him inside? Okay, fair enough. Then why extend James? That to me is a big error if true.

the intent was for Carp to be the SOLB

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Just something I've been thinking... I think we're all so used to Parcells 3-4 and how he rotated players that we're not really thinking about how Phillips rotated players. Some make mention of it, but then always refer back to the standard package Parcells rolled out. It's not about Parcells and how he did things anymore. Of course Wade has a base defense, but with the number of pressure packages they'll run, I don't think it matters who's starting or where they'll be playing.

When you listen to Wade, Ireland, and Carp. It really sounds like Carp will be the x-factor. Pretty much a man without a "defined spot" but with a definite role in the defense. They want to move him around. He may be listed as ILB or OLB, but when he hits the field, all that will be thrown out the window.

Just my thoughts...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That was an even stranger move then.

I think the inside intent was always there first with the insurance outside second. Otherwise, not leave him outside? Was the allure of Al Singleton that great that you would stunt the development of your top choice?

you got it wrong dude, Carp fits the Parcells' prototype of an outside LB, one who is strong in coverage and can play the run well, remember his whole deal was that he only asked Ware to rush 30% of the time? Parcells and Wade run 2, very different 3-4s, while Parcells is a 2-gap front 3, Phillips is a 1-gap, and while Parcells asks the OLBs to play the run and drop into coverage as much as they pass-rush, Phillips asks his OLBs to rush the passer alot