Grizz: The Phillps 34 Playbook

[Kilyin]

how is talking about a Phillip's 34 D in a Phillip's 34 D thread off-topic?

I think he was referring to the five pages of arguing about a zone blitz.

 

[AtlCB]

You can't stop it, you can only hope to contain it.

BTW, Baltimore plays a 4-6.

Baltimore plays a base 3-4 and mixes in the 46 defense. The 46 defense is a variation of the 4-3. A 4-6 defense would be four defensive linemen and six linebackers. I don't think anybody runs this in the NFL.

 

[AsthmaField]

To me, a zone-blitz has always been defined by: a defensive lineman(who is expected by the offense to rush the QB) drop back into a short zone coverage, while a LB or DB blitzes the QB in his place.

I've always heard it defined by those characteristics. Expected to rush DL drop into a zone coverage and unexpected LB or DB blitzes the QB.

From what I've always heard... that's a zone blitz. It doesn't particularly say what coverage the corners are in and I don't think it matters in this definition.

That's what I've always been told.

 

[Doomsday101]

To me, a zone-blitz has always been defined by: a defensive lineman(who is expected by the offense to rush the QB) drop back into a short zone coverage, while a LB or DB blitzes the QB in his place.

I've always heard it defined by those characteristics. Expected to rush DL drop into a zone coverage and unexpected LB or DB blitzes the QB.

From what I've always heard... that's a zone blitz. It doesn't particularly say what coverage the corners are in and I don't think it matters in this definition.

That's what I've always been told.

That pretty much is what a zone blitz is and some coaches do not actually consider it a blitz because your not sending extra rushers your dropping some lineman back into short zones and sending LB's instead.

 

[Pottsville Maroons]

Baltimore plays a base 3-4 and mixes in the 46 defense. The 46 defense is a variation of the 4-3. A 4-6 defense would be four defensive linemen and six linebackers. I don't think anybody runs this in the NFL.

I'm pretty sure they went back to a base 4-3 D after trying the 3-4 a couple of years ago.

More importantly, the name 46 has nothing to do with the number of linemen or linebackers on the field.

From Wikipedia: "The name "46" originally came from the jersey number of Doug Plank, who was a starting safety for the Bears when Ryan originally developed the defense, and typically played in that formation as a surrogate linebacker."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/46_defense

 

[AtlCB]

I'm pretty sure they went back to a base 4-3 D after trying the 3-4 a couple of years ago.

The went back to a base 3-4 in 2006. Their depth chart on NFL.com and their official website show is based on a 3-4 defense.

More importantly, the name 46 has nothing to do with the number of linemen or linebackers on the field.

From Wikipedia: "The name "46" originally came from the jersey number of Doug Plank, who was a starting safety for the Bears when Ryan originally developed the defense, and typically played in that formation as a surrogate linebacker."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/46_defense

I know. I pointed out that the 46 defense was a variation of the 4-3 (which is correct). Someone posted that Baltimore ran a 4-6. A 4-6 defense would signify four down linemen and six linebackers. A 46 defense would signify the version of the 4-3 that Buddy Ryan was successful with.

 

[superpunk]

The went back to a base 3-4 in 2006. Their depth chart on NFL.com and their official website show is based on a 3-4 defense.

I know. I pointed out that the 46 defense was a variation of the 4-3 (which is correct). Someone posted that Baltimore ran a 4-6. A 4-6 defense would signify four down linemen and six linebackers. A 46 defense would signify the version of the 4-3 that Buddy Ryan was successful with.

It's amazing how many people have no idea what a 4-6 is.

Join theogt on that bus.

I'm not getting into what it is (because it's annoying that people don't know), that can be found pretty easily - but that is what Baltimore ran last year. A 4-6 does not have 6 linebackers and 4 linemen on the field. That would leave only one position open for defensive backs, which doesn't make much sense.

 

[theogt]

It's amazing how many people have no idea what a 4-6 is.

Join theogt on that bus.

I'm not getting into what it is (because it's annoying that people don't know), that can be found pretty easily - but that is what Baltimore ran last year. A 4-6 does not have 6 linebackers and 4 linemen on the field. That would leave only one position open for defensive backs, which doesn't make much sense.

I know what it is. I also know that it's not 4 down linemen and 6 linebackers. You're deluded if you think they ran a 46 defense this year, though. The 3-4 they ran had some "46 principals," but it wasn't a 46.

 

[superpunk]

I know what it is. I also know that it's not 4 down linemen and 6 linebackers. You're deluded if you think they ran a 46 defense this year, though.

Take it up with Rex Ryan - not me.

WHEN REX RYAN PHONED HIS father, Buddy, to let him know that the Baltimore Ravens were wiping the dust off his famed 46 defense, the retired coach got so excited he nearly jumped through the phone.

But nobody was more pumped than Ravens middle linebacker Ray Lewis. "I'm like a kid all over again," he says.

 

[AtlCB]

It's amazing how many people have no idea what a 4-6 is.

Join theogt on that bus.

I'm not getting into what it is (because it's annoying that people don't know), that can be found pretty easily - but that is what Baltimore ran last year. A 4-6 does not have 6 linebackers and 4 linemen on the field. That would leave only one position open for defensive backs, which doesn't make much sense.

That's funny coming from someone who cannot write the proper name of the defense - it's a "46" defense; not a "4-6" defense. It was named after Doug Plank's jersey number. His number was "46" - not "4-6". 4-6 would be a completely different defense which someone would be crazy to use.

 

[superpunk]

Washington Post, Rex Ryan, and Ray Lewis, you can all go straight to hell.

 

[theogt]

Take it up with Rex Ryan - not me.

I'm not sure fluff pieces during the previous season have anything to do with what they ran in 2006.

In 2006 they ran a 3-4 for the most part. I don't need some fluff piece to tell me what my eyes are seeing.

Try again.

 

[theogt]

Washington Post, Rex Ryan, and Ray Lewis, you can all go straight to hell.

WOw, another piece about the 2005 season. We're talking about the 2006 season. Please, get on topic.

 

[superpunk]

I'm not sure fluff pieces during the previous season have anything to do with what they ran in 2006.

In 2006 they ran a 3-4 for the most part. I don't need some fluff piece to tell me what my eyes are seeing.

Try again.

Fluff pieces?!?!?! These are freaking DIRECT quotes from Rex Ryan and Ray Lewis.

Sometimes you just gotta come back off that ledge, man.

And ATLCB - I see what you were saying, my bad. The dash is incorrect, it's just habit. But Baltimore runs a 46. There's no getting around it.

 

[AtlCB]

Take it up with Rex Ryan - not me.

The Ravens ran a 46 in 2005. They got torched. The team gave up 49 points against the Colts with the scheme. The team now runs a 3-4 as its base, but still mixes in some 4-3 defenses including the 46.

 

[theogt]

Fluff pieces?!?!?! These are freaking DIRECT quotes from Rex Ryan and Ray Lewis.

Sometimes you just gotta come back off that ledge, man.

And ATLCB - I see what you were saying, my bad. The dash is incorrect, it's just habit. But Baltimore runs a 46. There's no getting around it.

2005 season. I never stated anything about the 2005 season. I didn't watch their defense in the 2005 season. I have no idea what they ran in the 2005 season. I do, however, know what they ran in the 2006 season, and it wasn't the 46.

 

[superpunk]

WOw, another piece about the 2005 season. We're talking about the 2006 season. Please, get on topic.

You can't see that they've ran the same defense for two years, huh?

Where's the notification that they were moving back to a 3-4? Considering how much Lewis was against that defense, you'd think a bigger deal would have been made.

I guess Rex and Ray were lying. You probably know better than them anyway.

 

[theogt]

You can't see that they've ran the same defense for two years, huh?

Where's the notification that they were moving back to a 3-4? Considering how much Lewis was against that defense, you'd think a bigger deal would have been made.

I guess Rex and Ray were lying. You probably know better than them anyway.

So basically your argument is this: You have evidence that they switched to the 46 in 2005, but I have no evidence that they switched to the 3-4 in 2006.

Sorry, but that don't fly.

All the evidence you need is to watch the games. You'll see that it's not a 46 at all -- that is, if you understand what the 46 is.

 

[superpunk]

The Ravens ran a 46 in 2005. They got torched. The team gave up 49 points against the Colts with the scheme. The team now runs a 3-4 as its base, but still mixes in some 4-3 defenses including the 46.

The Ravens had the 5th ranked defense in 05, and missed the playoffs due to their AWFUL offense.

 

[theogt]

The Ravens had the 5th ranked defense in 05, and missed the playoffs due to their AWFUL offense.

In yardage, yes, but in scoring it was lower ranked -- just slightly better than the Cowboys.