GRIZZ: Zimmer discusses the December collapse

[DallasCowpoke]

I guess you ignore those posts. Posting about something you're ignorant about...it's a classic ploy of the masses.

LOL, it seems to work for you.

 

[theogt]

LOL, it seems to work for you.

Any examples? Have you proven me wrong somewhere? What's your beef?

Or are do you normally just spend your Sunday afternoons throwing around personal insults on anonymous message board?

 

[DBoys]

In other words, you can't explain how he should have done it, he just should have done it. Even with no passrushers other than Ware.

Okay.

We got a lot more pressure from the 4-3. Hopefully next year we draft or sign a compliment to Ware. The other killer was our refusal to go to the nickel when teams went three wide.

If we run the 3-4 I hope we bench James, move Carp inside and get a beast OLB.

 

[DBoys]

Stop confusing theo with logic CL, he'd rather point and crucify than examine and deduce. It's the classic ploy of the masses, when things go badly, assume the coaching staff is coaching them to be so.

Let's examine then and let us deduce...

Have we had a pass rush since Zimmer got here? Have we been good in coverage?

No??? then crucify

 

[Beast_from_East]

Zimmerman....."I dont have an answer for that"

You have got to be kidding me Zimmy, you dont have a freaking clue what to do on defense and you have been the D-Coordinator for 7 freaking years.

OMG!!!

I can see it now, the defense getting schredded and the players come to the sideline and ask Zimmy, "what do we do coach, we adjustment do we need to do?"

Zimmy thinks for a second, looks around the stadium, watches a butterfly land on the gatorade bucket and finally shrugs his shoulders and says, "I dont know, what do you guys think we should do"

 

[DBoys]

LOL, it seems to work for you.

Actually theogt is one of the more intelligent football guys on the board. The blame he dishes out is usually warranted.

 

[cowboyz]

That's a nickel package. We use it on 3rd downs (passing situations). No, we didn't do well in it. Towards the end it's when we gave up the biggest plays -- holding them to short gains on first and second downs only to give up a big play on 3rd down keeping the defense on the field.

i wasn't talking about this year.
i seem to remember last year the cowboys having good success in the nickel with glover and ellis. am i mistaken?

 

[DallasCowpoke]

Let's examine then and let us deduce...

Have we had a pass rush since Zimmer got here? Have we been good in coverage?

No??? then crucify

Your point is valid, but how or why is it always the coaching staff's fault when things go bad? Why is it never the player/s who can't or don't perform?

If Zimmer was so inept, how is it in 03-04, his inept coaching yielded a top 5 defense in points against? What "all-world" pass rushers were on those D's that accomplished that, better yet, where'd they go?

 

[Da Hammer]

"Well, we couldn't cover anybody for four weeks," Zimmer added. "Teams were spreading it out on us, and we were attempting to stay in base coverage."

Why? After a long pause, Zimmer said, "I don't have an answer for that."

While I'm glad that Zimmer is gone, what i got from this quote was that Parcells made him play that base coverage but he didnt want to throw a HOF coach under the bus because he knew he would look bad so he said "i dont have an answer for that." thats just IMO...

 

[Kevinicus]

"Well, we couldn't cover anybody for four weeks," Zimmer added. "Teams were spreading it out on us, and we were attempting to stay in base coverage."

Why? After a long pause, Zimmer said, "I don't have an answer for that."

While I'm glad that Zimmer is gone, what i got from this quote was that Parcells made him play that base coverage but he didnt want to throw a HOF coach under the bus because he knew he would look bad so he said "i dont have an answer for that." thats just IMO...

That's what I got from it to. He wasn't saying he didn't have any idea what to do like most people seem to think he was saying. He was basically saying you probably need to ask Bill because it wasn't his idea.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Just curious, what is so objectionable about what Zimmer said? More confusion for offenses and more nickel packages when teams are picking on your LBs in coverage? That's outrageous?

I'm not sure I understand the context of your post, but...

The nickel defense isn't exactly brutish against the run. The more defensive backs you play with, the weaker your run defense becomes. (DBs are much smaller than linemen and LBers) This is exactly why most defenses don't usually play the nickel until it's 3rd and long or late in a game while the other team is trying to come back with time running out.

 

[theogt]

Your point is valid, but how or why is it always the coaching staff's fault when things go bad? Why is it never the player/s who can't or don't perform?

If Zimmer was so inept, how is it in 03-04, his inept coaching yielded a top 5 defense in points against? What "all-world" pass rushers were on those D's that accomplished that, better yet, where'd they go?

This is what you call a straw man.

For the uninformed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

No one was accusing Zimmer as being the sole problem. Bradie James is abysmal in pass coverage. Aaron Glenn's play dropped off considerably towards the end of the season. Anthony Henry was inconsistent (perhaps because of injury) throughout the season. Keith Davis...well, I won't even go there.

By the way, in 2004 the defense ranked 16th in yardage and 27th in scoring. The 03 defense wasn't as dominant as the statistics indicate, but I don't see what any of the evidence during the "4-3 years" has to do with this discussion about Zimmer's inability to create pressure in a 3-4.

 

[DallasCowpoke]

Or are do you normally just spend your Sunday afternoons throwing around personal insults on anonymous message board?

I guess you ignore those posts. Posting about something you're ignorant about...it's a classic ploy of the masses.

Ummm, gee, if I weren't so "ignorant", I might take this for an insult.

P.S. You might want to look up the meaning of the word "anonymous" there ace, 'cus as even as "ignorant" as I am, I'm pretty sure you're misusing it in this instance.

 

[theogt]

That's what I got from it to. He wasn't saying he didn't have any idea what to do like most people seem to think he was saying. He was basically saying you probably need to ask Bill because it wasn't his idea.

Actually, I believe he was truly saying he didn't know how to fix it (rather than just being polite to Parcells). Zimmer was quoted earlier in the week as saying he was almost suicidal because he couldn't figure out how to fix the problem. He's just restating that here.

 

[LatinMind]

*buries face in hands*
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u think he didnt have an answer for that because maybe he didnt want to alienate a Hc he respects?

 

[Kevinicus]

Well I'm sure he had some limitations with what he could do from Bill. I mean Bill's the expert, can't he maybe...I dunno, help?

 

[DBoys]

Your point is valid, but how or why is it always the coaching staff's fault when things go bad? Why is it never the player/s who can't or don't perform?

If Zimmer was so inept, how is it in 03-04, his inept coaching yielded a top 5 defense in points against? What "all-world" pass rushers were on those D's that accomplished that, better yet, where'd they go?

True but we can't just blame the players either. The coaches play the players and if one of them is so bad they need to be benched. Bradie should of been benched but the coaches chose not to.

Coaches have to put players in situations where they will succeed. BP has mentioned this countless times. Yet the coaches continued to put players into situations where they continued to fail.

I will say this I was really pleased with the play of the defense in the SEA game. They gave the offense plenty of oppurtunites to put that game away.

03-04 we didn't play very many tough teams. Players fit the system we were using and we had guys who stepped up. Tnew, Woody, Roy, Dat, Coakley. We had some play makers.

The biggest problem with us right now is the guys don't believe in what they are doing. I hope we bring in a DC guru because promoting with in and doing the same thing will kill the confidence of the team. This is the one thing I absolutly hate about BP is his refusal to fricking change things up. It's like he is scared or something.

 

[YosemiteSam]

"Roy has gone from being acceptable in coverage, to a joke," said one voice. "It's like he thinks he's an entertainer now, looking to make SportsCenter with his hits, while blowing off what he needs to be concentrating on."

I don't see this at all. While he did make some big hits, I beleive the amount of big hits has fallen off. Mostly due to him playing more coverage now.

Good job in attempting to make a fuss Mr. Unnamed Media - Master of Hyperbole.

 

[MetalHead]

Actually theogt is one of the more intelligent football guys on the board. The blame he dishes out is usually warranted.

 

[noshame]

That's what I got from it to. He wasn't saying he didn't have any idea what to do like most people seem to think he was saying. He was basically saying you probably need to ask Bill because it wasn't his idea.

Oh, you had to go and ruin it.

I was watching the rocket scientists running with this. What? Zimmer didn't know what to do? :laugh2: