Gurley highlights Jaylon looks horrible

[xwalker]

I just watched the game again. I'm torally drinking the Jaylon kool-aid, but that game was brutal. All defensive players look bad from time to time if you cherry pick plays. But J had a ton of awful plays, and basically no get ones.

Oh, and we need a big fat one tech who won't be on the injury report every week. Cmon Jerry, overrule Rod and let Will find someone.

I think a lot of run defense problems were assignment based more than physical in terms of the DLine.

 

[xwalker]

I don’t think the issue is Jaylons play in this highlight video as much as it may be your expectations of a MLB.
A good back like Gurly follows his blockers through the hole and in almost every play where the action come to Jaylon there was a 300 plus pound pulling OL running straight at Jaylon.

There has never been a LB in the nfl who would run through those blocks and make the tackle you would need him to make to satisfy you.

It’s not even about saying Jaylon played great as much as realizing this video shows nothing good or bad from Jaylon. Sean Lee would have looked the same.

It was the outside runs and pass plays that were the biggest problems.

He takes on blockers OK; although, he had a couple of mental errors in regards to taking on blocks where he jumped to the wrong side of the blocker.

If the LB is going laterally towards the blocker and runner then the Safety is going to go to the opposite side of the blocker. There was a play where Heath was coming up from his deep position and he took the side of the blocker opposite of Jaylon, but as Jaylon got to the blocker he jumped to the opposite side and cut off Heath's path and the runner easily went to the other side of the blocker for a big gain. That's just a mental mistake and not relevant to his leg.

There was a tweet Gif by Mosher that was supposed to be a bad play by Jaylon where he bounced back from a blocker and ran to the sideline. I didn't see a big problem with that play.

 

[jblaze2004]

this game was a learning experience for most of the defense. Our DE's contain was crappy, Linebacker play was crappy, Heath safety play was crappy. Good learning tape.

 

[DandyDon52]

Dang, he should still be at guard

Yeah, but unfortunately JG and Marinelli think he's better at Right Guard too bad.

 

[DandyDon52]

Jalen isn't ready to be a starter yet but he's been forced onto the field he seems to be too slow never attacks and it's bad in pass coverage he's just not ready to play yet he may be good later on but he really shouldn't be playing right now

 

[Wood]

Jaylon leg isn't NFL ready. Its just that simple. We all need to have patience here until about week 10. That would be time that Dr felt the nerve could be fully recovered. If we are in week 10 and Jaylon looks like player we saw against Rams then its likely over for him but I am holding out hope and just want to see incremental improvement from his technique and continued improvement in movement from nerve healing.

 

[Bleu Star]

He looks terrible on every play. Gets pushed around easily, has no burst to get to where he needs to get to and the few times he was at the right place at the right time he can't finish the play. I was a huge supporter but it's not looking good.

Zzzzzzzzz

Jaylon is a rookie going into his 5th game.... Zzzzzzzzz

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

It’s a miracle he’s even out there.

He’s the Lieutenant Dan of the NFL.

 

[superonyx]

It's pointless to respond to someone who seems to know nothing about the game of football.

Yet I did didn't I?

But you are correct. I wish I remembered your advise before.

 

[Beast_from_East]

His leg is still recovering, he is not at 100% yet but he has to play due to injuries. Is the drop foot affecting his play? Absolutely, he is clearly not the same player today that he was at Notre Dame. Will he totally recover and regain his previous form? Jury still out on that one, all we can do is hope right now.

With all that being said, I think it is a legitimate question to ask if a second round pick should be used on a player that basically needs two full seasons to recover? Remember, we only have his rights for four seasons, so there is a chance that if he regains his old form we may only have one or two seasons of the Notre Dame Jaylon Smith before he hits free agency.

Legit question to ask, should we have used such a high pick on a player that we may only get one or two seasons out of at a high level before losing him? There is no guarantee he is going to resign with us so each season lost to rehab is at our expense, especially if he regains his old form and another team offers him a boatload of money.

 

[Seven]

He looks terrible on every play. Gets pushed around easily, has no burst to get to where he needs to get to and the few times he was at the right place at the right time he can't finish the play. I was a huge supporter but it's not looking good.

How many plays did that video show in 60 minutes of football? Plus one of them on a touchdown by Gurley was Durant getting burned. If anyone thinks a LB can cover Gurley are fooling themselves. Nice agenda post........epic fail.

 

[gmoney112]

It's almost like he's coming off a devastating injury and hasn't played football in 2 years.

Cut him.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Yeah he does and these are the best athletes in the world. He may have been one of them but not with drop foot. Nobody on Earth is that far ahead of the curve to be able to play NFL football with a condition like Jaylon's. He has to get to atleast 98% of what he was or this just isn't going to work out well for him.

Spot on. Been saying the same thing since we drafted him but the sensitive snowflakes on the board that believe in the power of positivity take any semblance of simple reality as "hating on Jaylon."

Jaylon's athleticism is what in large part defined him at Norte Dame. There still a chance the damaged nerve function fully resolves itself. However, there's a very real possibility now more than two full years post injury, that the extent of his recovery has reached its apex and there's a whole range of possibilities that all end with Jaylon not being the same player he was. I agree we should all withold judgement to at least 2018, but also realize whatever physical limitations that still persist next season (more than 3 years out) are most likely permenant.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I just watched the game again. I'm torally drinking the Jaylon kool-aid, but that game was brutal. All defensive players look bad from time to time if you cherry pick plays. But J had a ton of awful plays, and basically no get ones.

Oh, and we need a big fat one tech who won't be on the injury report every week. Cmon Jerry, overrule Rod and let Will find someone.

That first play when Jaylon gets washed out by the o-lineman on his right shoulder, I see a guy still not having a 100% trust in planting and pressing his injured left leg.

That said, there were some other plays he looked completely lost but I would expect that with any rookie LB out in space at times.

 

[Broges74]

That first play when Jaylon gets washed out by the o-lineman on his right shoulder, I see a guy still not having a 100% trust in planting and pressing his injured left leg.

That said, there were some other plays he looked completely lost but I would expect that with any rookie LB out in space at times.

Agreed he doesn't trust it and that's clear as day. I see a guy lost on some plays and that's to be expected. What bothers me is I'm not seeing the athletic ability either at the moment. Straight line speed is good for his position but cutting is another story.

I truly hope he gets 100% but would take 95% of what he was at this point. Maybe that will come when he is less worried about it happening again.

 

[sbark]

He attacked the LOS much better in pre-season, along the lines of S.Lee who doesnt allow the play to be pushed at him, he takes a angle to get at the runner at or behind the LOS.

I think teams with our attacking style of DT play, and with Peau hurt and on the small side, are able to get a guard out into the 2nd level which jams up the flow on LB'rs to the runners Forces LB'rs to attempt to go back around deep and then try to come foward ..........by then the runner has sqaured his shoulders and turned up......gonna get yards.

 

[vlad]

It just blows my mind that we don't have anyone we can play over him - he's clearly not right/ready. Teams are attacking him, with ease.

I also heard that he has played more snaps on D than any other front 7 player on our team - wth Garrett? Are you trying to ruin this kid?

I think he needs more time to heal, only then can you know if he's going to be great, good, average, or a bad NFL player.

 

[CF74]

Jaylon looks amazing for a guy who just had his leg sowed back on a year ago..

 

[Proof]

was an ugly outing against an offensive minded coach who (rightfully) targeted him as a weakness, and who's best player happened to be the right weapon to do it.

not having Lee out there with him, or hitchens to help support/fortify really hung him out to dry. Still onboard with him though, and feel like he'll be better for it. Growing pains are rough though.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Meh. The D-Line was horrendous. Poor gap integrity and often leaving an O-Linemen with a free lane to run right at Jaylon. Jaylon certainly needs to do better, but he wasn't hesitating like he was earlier in the season and if the D-Line (even Lawrence was awful against the run) does a better job Jaylon is going to play better.

As I said 2 weeks ago...Maliek Collins is severely overrated. He was pretty awful against the Rams.

In coverage I would have liked to have seen him compete a little better. What he does is he drops too far back because he still doesn't trust his lateral movement and then with his straight line speed and size he hopes to create enough force to bring the pass receiver down. I don't put the Gurley pass TD on him because I don't think it was his responsibility and that's a great play design by Sean McVay.

But in the end, Jaylon isn't nearly the problem the defense has. The D-Line is good enough to beat poor O-Lines, but that's it. They were dominated by the Broncos O-Line. And then you have Heath who isn't starting safety material.




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