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[TNCowboy]

We released a very good player .

:laugh2:

 

[Stash]

In theory, yes. Practically, I can't see the Cowboys eating, say 3 million of his salary to have him not be here. That makes no sense. They were probably wanting to get him down to that or less, to HAVE him here. That makes little sense from a Cowboys point of view, to pay him NOT to be here, when they had already been talking about financial issues with regard to him and his contract.

Thei incentive would have been to have received something for him rather than what they got - nothing. Paying a few million this year may have meant the difference between getting a draft pick for next year and not getting one.

Gurode had veto power over a restructure. From the point of view of any scenario that was likely to happen in practice, that gave him veto power over a trade.

You are mistakenly fixated on a restructure having to happen. It has been pointed out in numerous posts that this was in no way a requirement.

That's why I said it was unlikely and a longshot that he'd be traded. In theory, a team could have taken him at full value. Not likely though. In theory, the Cowboys could have paid a chunk of his salary. Highly unlikely though. He could have agreed to restructure. But he didn't have much reason to.

And he didn't have to for a trade to happen. The scenarios have been explained numerous times. The Cowboys obviously felt that getting nothing was the way to go.

 

[Stash]

NE also has a history of getting rid of guys 1 year early rather than 1 year too late.

I'm as disappointed as the next guy that we couldn't get anything for a 5 time pro bowler, but we should blame ourselves for giving him the contract we gave him which obviously made him un-tradable.

We could have kept him and ended up cutting him anyway next year, but what benefit would there have been to that?

No, you'rfe right about that. If cutting him is your only option, do it now rather than later. My problme is that it became the only option.

It's disheartening to see how this team can turn so many players into nothing more than cuts and dead cap space.

 

[honyock]

Thei incentive would have been to have received something for him rather than what they got - nothing. Paying a few million this year may have meant the difference between getting a draft pick for next year and not getting one.



You are mistakenly fixated on a restructure having to happen. It has been pointed out in numerous posts that this was in no way a requirement.



And he didn't have to for a trade to happen. The scenarios have been explained numerous times. The Cowboys obviously felt that getting nothing was the way to go.

Yes, there are scenarios that could have happened. My point...and I think this is the last time its worth saying it...is that those scenarios were so unlikely, that a restructure was the only real possibility. You see it differently? Okay. You're right, they could have agreed to pay maybe 3 million dollars in his salary as part of a trade iin exchange for maybe a 5th round draft pick next year. I'll leave it to you to argue how that would have been a good move.

Cheers

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The difference is that the Patriots are able to actually get something for their players.

I'm sorry are you saying they next just cut players? That people always trade with them?

Gurode has made the past 5 Pro Bowls.

Somebody voted him in.

As long as the fan vote counts for a large portion of the voting, as it does, the Pro Bowl voting will always be a joke.

Roy Williams made it in at safety too for 2 or 3 years that he had no business getting in.

Hanging your argument on the Pro Bowl is flimsy, at best.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Gurode has made the past 5 Pro Bowls.

Somebody voted him in.

The key word is "past".

 

[Stash]

The key word is "past".

Pretty tough to make this year's Pro Bowl already...

 

[InmanRoshi]

Gurode has made the past 5 Pro Bowls.

Somebody voted him in.

Not the people who run NFL front offices, and I doubt the coaches who vote spend more than 10 minutes filling it out ... assuming they don't let the towel boy fill it out for them while they're busy doing other things

 

[JustDezIt]

Originally Posted by birdwells1
Dude he had to resign Free, what else was he going to do? BTW I didn't have any pet cats.

Did he have to offer NA ten million a year?

You want me to prove why your very uninformed on this topic and should possibly have your keyboard privileges revoked for a day or two?

Owner Jerry Jones remains the game's best promoter, (he even landed a star turn on the hit HBO series Entourage this summer). His stadium netted an additional $12 million last year over what it makes on the Cowboys, thanks to events like the NBA All-Star game, boxing and concerts. The team's overall operating income hit $143 million, a record for a U.S. sports franchise.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/25/mo...ss-sports-football-valuations-10-intro_2.html

Still waiting to hear back from you Birdwell.

 

[Stash]

I'm sorry are you saying they next just cut players? That people always trade with them?

Nope, but they have a history of getting value for their players both is those they trade and those they trade for. We have a history of overpaying in trades and turning Pro Bowlers into nothing more than dead cap space. That's what I'm saying.

As long as the fan vote counts for a large portion of the voting, as it does, the Pro Bowl voting will always be a joke.

It's always a joke when it doesn't support your position.

Roy Williams made it in at safety too for 2 or 3 years that he had no business getting in.

Hanging your argument on the Pro Bowl is flimsy, at best.

But still less 'flimsy' than putting it completely on players who have done nothing at the NFL level.

 

[Stash]

Not the people who run NFL front offices, and I doubt the coaches who vote spend more than 10 minutes filling it out ... assuming they don't let the towel boy fill it out for them while they're busy doing other things

Then it looks like we've got a real conspiracy on our hands.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Nope, but they have a history of getting value for their players both is those they trade and those they trade for. We have a history of overpaying in trades and turning Pro Bowlers into nothing more than dead cap space. That's what I'm saying.



It's always a joke when it doesn't support your position.



But still less 'flimsy' than putting it completely on players who have done nothing at the NFL level.

And they have a terrible history of overpaying for FA's.

They are still trying to replace Seymore and there inability to restock the defense is why they have not won a playoff game since 2007.

NE drafting and trading prowess is a bit overblown outside of Jerrod Mayo they have gotten very average return from some very high draft choices.

 

[kmd24]

Thei incentive would have been to have received something for him rather than what they got - nothing. Paying a few million this year may have meant the difference between getting a draft pick for next year and not getting one.

They didn't get nothing for cutting Gurode. They got $5.5 million (minus the rule of 51 salary) in cap space for what he was due this year alone. Plus, it's easier to keep another young lineman on the roster.

You're basically arguing that whatever late round draft pick they could have received in a trade was worth $3MM in cap space. Maybe, but I don't think the choice is clear cut.

 

[birdwells1]

Did he have to offer NA ten million a year?

You want me to prove why your very uninformed on this topic and should possibly have your keyboard privileges revoked for a day or two?



Still waiting to hear back from you Birdwell.

He would have cut Newman and his 8 million dollar contract so fast it would have made your head spin, so it would have only cost him 2 million for the best cb in the game.

So on the stadium, are you saying that Jerry has already made back his initial investment in the stadium? I know that his investment was around 700 million so I guess he's made that back in 2 years huh.

 

[JustDezIt]

He would have cut Newman and his 8 million dollar contract so fast it would have made your head spin, so it would have only cost him 2 million for the best cb in the game.

So on the stadium, are you saying that Jerry has already made back his initial investment in the stadium? I know that his investment was around 700 million so I guess he's made that back in 2 years huh.

I'm saying that money is not an issue period. i'm now sure what part of this you didnt hear/read. The team's overall operating income hit $143 million, a record for a U.S. sports franchise. If Jerry is hurting while setting a record imagine how others team are feeling.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Also getting rid of Gurode salary this season offers more cap space for next season which will be very useful since this team already has $20mil worth of dead cap space to deal.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Then it looks like we've got a real conspiracy on our hands.

A conspiracy theory means someone cares. I think it's been pretty much widely accepted for years that that the Pro Bowl is a joke, especially when it comes to offensive linemen. The fact that Larry Allen made the Pro Bowl every year from 2003-2006 is proof of that. He made the Pro Bowl in years when he was regularly pulled out of games for bad play.

 

[Stash]

A conspiracy theory means someone cares. I think it's been pretty much widely accepted for years that that the Pro Bowl is a joke, especially when it comes to offensive linemen. The fact that Larry Allen made the Pro Bowl every year from 2003-2006 is proof of that. He made the Pro Bowl in years when he was regularly pulled out of games for bad play.

As long as it's universally regarded as a joke, I have no issue with that. But it seems to me that the Pro Bowl has its' value when it suits someone's argument and no value if it doesn't.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

As long as it's universally regarded as a joke, I have no issue with that. But it seems to me that the Pro Bowl has its' value when it suits someone's argument and no value if it doesn't.

True.

Instead you could simply look at Gurode's last season of play and come to a conclusion concerning his level of play.

 

[Doomsay]

The difference is that the Patriots are able to actually get something for their players.

Agreed, and a big part of the reason for that is that they don't sign a lot of these guys to disproportionately high cost salaries that render the players untradable. Barber, Williams, Gurode, Davis, etc.