Gus Johnson separated shoulder

[conner01]

On short yardage and goal line he was excellent. That is all he would ever be asked to do this year.

How'd Melvin do????

ouch.

Not sure you can carry a 4th RB just for short yardage
He ran well on short yardage and with nice power but too slow to the hole
He had almost no chance to make this team and he didn't do enough to change that

 

[iceberg]

4 of our backs being injured, Dunbar being a scatback, and Williams being injured and released aren't "facts"?

1 of those backs is a walk on free agent
and in a game that means nothing at all, sure we keep out players who if during a regular season likely would have played.

"Johnson is getting his chance because Joseph Randle, Darren McFadden and Lance Dunbar are all nicked up and none are expected to see action (although Jason Garrett refused to absolutely rule Randle out), but it looks like all three may be back on the field when camp practices resume on Saturday."

so randle wasn't ruled out and in pads. all will be at practice this weekend.

we just need a panic zone where people can go panic at the 1st sign of trouble in the 1st pre season game no one will remember in a few days and hope that a back that's out there with the biggest benefit they can offer to date is a familiar name will save us.

facts still? just checking.

 

[CATCH17]

1 of those backs is a walk on free agent
and in a game that means nothing at all, sure we keep out players who if during a regular season likely would have played.

"Johnson is getting his chance because Joseph Randle, Darren McFadden and Lance Dunbar are all nicked up and none are expected to see action (although Jason Garrett refused to absolutely rule Randle out), but it looks like all three may be back on the field when camp practices resume on Saturday."

so randle wasn't ruled out and in pads. all will be at practice this weekend.

we just need a panic zone where people can go panic at the 1st sign of trouble in the 1st pre season game no one will remember in a few days and hope that a back that's out there with the biggest benefit they can offer to date is a familiar name will save us.

facts still? just checking.

I feel alone but I still like McFadden..

Always felt like his health would be a concern but I always felt like he would be a monster behind our OL.

Plus, I feel like he could've practiced a couple weeks ago and the Cowboys are just being overly cautious and letting the young guys get more reps.

 

[iceberg]

People have thrown out younger, lesser known, players names here quite a few times. It hasn't just been aging veterans.

you mean like pierre thomas? i'm sure by now every available name via FA or trade has been named and yet, here we are.

i'm not saying we won't or shouldn't make a move. i am saying to fling the arms up in panic now is just stupid given that what's out there now are:

yesterdays hero looking for 1 more paycheck
yesterdays nobody who is still looking to make a mark

maybe there is a great pick out there who can come in and flourish but given that outside peterson (hush stash!) everything else is likely a crapshoot and debates will rage on for the entire year on this.

 

[guag]

I've never seen so many people vehemently defend a guy who averaged 2.7 yards on 13 carries.

If averaging 3 yards per carry means getting the "dirty yards" (God I wish this buzz word would just disappear), then give me a back who can get "clean yards", or whatever the opposite of dirty yards is.

 

[iceberg]

I feel alone but I still like McFadden..

Always felt like his health would be a concern but I always felt like he would be a monster behind our OL.

Plus, I feel like he could've practiced a couple weeks ago and the Cowboys are just being overly cautious and letting the young guys get more reps.

i've never watched enough of mcfadden to know or really care. i was sick and tired of his name before he got drafted and he faded after he did. good. i heard less about him. but if they brought him back to be a vet player over everyone elses choice, i'll roll my dice on the experts vs. the emotional fans. if we need a rb the jones can and will find one. til then, sure. i want to see what he can do because i just don't know and hope he can be a good compliment back to give us that experience we could use.

johnson, mcfadden, jackson and all the rest are kinda all the same to me. only difference is most of the others are still looking for work.

 

[guag]

Not sure you can carry a 4th RB just for short yardage
He ran well on short yardage and with nice power but too slow to the hole
He had almost no chance to make this team and he didn't do enough to change that

Pretty much what I'm thinking. Tyler Clutts I'm sure could get 2-3 yards when needed. For my primary back, I like someone with vision and wiggle.

 

[mattjames2010]

1 of those backs is a walk on free agent
and in a game that means nothing at all, sure we keep out players who if during a regular season likely would have played.

"Johnson is getting his chance because Joseph Randle, Darren McFadden and Lance Dunbar are all nicked up and none are expected to see action (although Jason Garrett refused to absolutely rule Randle out), but it looks like all three may be back on the field when camp practices resume on Saturday."

so randle wasn't ruled out and in pads. all will be at practice this weekend.

we just need a panic zone where people can go panic at the 1st sign of trouble in the 1st pre season game no one will remember in a few days and hope that a back that's out there with the biggest benefit they can offer to date is a familiar name will save us.

facts still? just checking.

YES, facts. You just posted a quote that stated they are "nicked up". They may be minor injuries, but they are injuries nonetheless, and kept them out of a preseason game. With RBs that have a lot of to prove, any amount of time on the field should be important to them.

 

[mattjames2010]

you mean like pierre thomas? i'm sure by now every available name via FA or trade has been named and yet, here we are.

i'm not saying we won't or shouldn't make a move. i am saying to fling the arms up in panic now is just stupid given that what's out there now are:

yesterdays hero looking for 1 more paycheck
yesterdays nobody who is still looking to make a mark

maybe there is a great pick out there who can come in and flourish but given that outside peterson (hush stash!) everything else is likely a crapshoot and debates will rage on for the entire year on this.

Nope, Michaels name has popped up quite a few times, OIiver's name just popped up in this very thread.

And I'll take these "Yesterday's trash" over the even bigger crapshoot we have going on right now.

 

[Blackspider214]

What's a separated shoulder injury time usually like for a RB?

 

[CATCH17]

I've never seen so many people vehemently defend a guy who averaged 2.7 yards on 13 carries.

If averaging 3 yards per carry means getting the "dirty yards" (God I wish this buzz word would just disappear), then give me a back who can get "clean yards", or whatever the opposite of dirty yards is.

If I didn't watch the game and I was on the fence about our approach to the runningback situation I would probably buy into this.

I watched the game though and the guy got what was there.

That's not defending. That's the reality. He might have missed 1 hole that I saw.

The rest of the time it was the Chargers loading the box up and selling out against the run.

 

[superonyx]

i've never watched enough of mcfadden to know or really care. i was sick and tired of his name before he got drafted and he faded after he did. good. i heard less about him. but if they brought him back to be a vet player over everyone elses choice, i'll roll my dice on the experts vs. the emotional fans. if we need a rb the jones can and will find one. til then, sure. i want to see what he can do because i just don't know and hope he can be a good compliment back to give us that experience we could use.

johnson, mcfadden, jackson and all the rest are kinda all the same to me. only difference is most of the others are still looking for work.

Great points. It's just a shame to see a team who had an identy of run first now just hoping to find backs that are good enough. I remember last year when we went into Seattle and it was clear that our offenses physical presence struck fear into that aggressive physical defense. There was a swagger about us when you had a back running for 100 yards every game. Having 3 backs each run for 33.3 yards per game just doesn't strike the same fear into opposing defenses.

At this point we don't have many options carry that swagger into this season. Doesn't mean we won't win or we won't get it back though. The reality is that when Demarco left, we didn't get Peterson, and didn't draft Gurley or any franchise backs we put ourselves in the position to hope we can find a committee of guys that we hope can be good enough to not hurt us. Big difference from having a back that had the potential to carry us.

 

[Idgit]

I felt like Johnson just didn't have space to run and when he did he made the most of it.


All these jag comments and everything are crazy. He had a small sample size against a defense that was loading up to stop the run and he did a solid job and powered one in for a TD.

Yeah, I'm not knocking Gus. He ran hard. And it wasn't like he was missing holes.

Seastrunk didn't even bother to look for a hole, he was skipping outside every chance he got, but bad some success doing it.

I just thought Oliver was the best back on the field last night, and remembered thinking the same thing last year at this time. He's a good player.

 

[CATCH17]

Yeah, I'm not knocking Gus. He ran hard. And it wasn't like he was missing holes.

Seastrunk didn't even bother to look for a hole, he was skipping outside every chance he got, but bad some success doing it.

I just thought Oliver was the best back on the field last night, and remembered thinking the same thing last year at this time. He's a good player.

Oliver looked good.

He played good in the regular season for the Chargers last year as well.

 

[xwalker]

And my usual routine and dismantling your so called great arguments. Really want to go down that road again? It was fun for me.

I was originally on the side of Gus Johnson being overrated; however, after reading this thread I might change my mind because you are losing the debate so badly that it's not even funny.

It is the worst attempt to debate a subject that I've seen in long time. If there was a debate about whether or not ice was cold and you were the one on the side of the debate that said it is cold, I would end up concluding that ice actually is not cold.

 

[Wolf2k5]

A cheetah couldn't have picked up many yards running behind Weems and Dill tonight. If we had the starters out, you'd think he was the second coming of Barber.

Well plus Cheetahs are notoriously poor at recognizing blocking schemes

 

[DenCWBY]

Wow, all the judges on Gus on his first ever NFL game after being in camp what, 2 weeks, with average (at best) QB'ing, a basic game plan that posed little passing threat to off set the opposing defense.
Words like "mediocre, JAG, not effective"? What were you expecting, Emmit, Peyton, Earl Campbell?
He wasn't drafted for a reason and now he's hurt so it really doesn't matter at this juncture but I thought he took what he could get in positive yards and held his own given the supporting cast he was with. I give him a B- and he got his day in the sun. I hope he gets better and finds a place in the NFL as a backup.
The next 2 games will tell us what we really have in the RB stable.
I'm not panicking.......yet.

 

[mattjames2010]

I was originally on the side of Gus Johnson being overrated; however, after reading this thread I might change my mind because you are losing the debate so badly that it's not even funny.

It is the worst attempt to debate a subject that I've seen in long time. If there was a debate about whether or not ice was cold and you were the one on the side of the debate that said it is cold, I would end up concluding that ice actually is not cold.

Point to where I could have "lost an argument" - by stating Johnson looks to have a ceiling that Phillip Tanner had?

Make a counter-argument or please, don't respond.

If you have something that tells me Gus is more than just a PS guy at this point, I beg of you, show/tell me. His combine doesn't impress me and who he is comparable to, and he didn't look impressive last night.

If you can't provide an argument, I really couldn't care less about anything you have to say. So, what do you have?

 

[iceberg]

Great points. It's just a shame to see a team who had an identy of run first now just hoping to find backs that are good enough. I remember last year when we went into Seattle and it was clear that our offenses physical presence struck fear into that aggressive physical defense. There was a swagger about us when you had a back running for 100 yards every game. Having 3 backs each run for 33.3 yards per game just doesn't strike the same fear into opposing defenses.

At this point we don't have many options carry that swagger into this season. Doesn't mean we won't win or we won't get it back though. The reality is that when Demarco left, we didn't get Peterson, and didn't draft Gurley or any franchise backs we put ourselves in the position to hope we can find a committee of guys that we hope can be good enough to not hurt us. Big difference from having a back that had the potential to carry us.

it's a question mark, i get it. i just don't think the answer is to run to a retread who at this point of the season is still available. i think there's a chance a younger one may get cut who could do just as well. if we're put in a position where a steven jackson is suddenly someone we have to depend on, i just don't see us any better off than we are now. just a different name from yesterday.

 

[Doomsday101]

Wow, all the judges on Gus on his first ever NFL game after being in camp what, 2 weeks, with average (at best) QB'ing, a basic game plan that posed little passing threat to off set the opposing defense.
Words like "mediocre, JAG, not effective"? What were you expecting, Emmit, Peyton, Earl Campbell?
He wasn't drafted for a reason and now he's hurt so it really doesn't matter at this juncture but I thought he took what he could get in positive yards and held his own given the supporting cast he was with. I give him a B- and he got his day in the sun. I hope he gets better and finds a place in the NFL as a backup.
The next 2 games will tell us what we really have in the RB stable.
I'm not panicking.......yet.

Does not really matter, the injury is going to keep him out, making the PS at this time is his best hope