Hamlin would be a mistake

[mmillman]

if they pay him above average safety money. It would be similar to the mistake that the foreskins made with Archuleta on a smaller scale. Hamlin is a junior version of Roy Williams (just like Archuleta and Taylor) and what Dallas needs is a FS that can cover up for mistakes when the blitz doesn't get there and help the corners deep. That isn't Hamlin. He flies up the field on every play fake and is always on the verge of the late hit and unecessary roughness call. He has had off field problems since Arkansas.

His nickname in Seattle is the Hammer, not the blanket. The safeties in Seattle were almost as bad in coverage as Dallas'. There is a reason that Seattle is letting him go, do we want their baggage?

 

[cboyd]

I understand where you are coming from, but you can use both Pat Watkins and ken Hamlin in situations where they play thier best. You can put Ken Hamlin in on 1st and 2nd downs where I hear Wade Phillips loves to blitz the most. and you can put Pat Watkins in the nickel where it would pretty much be a passing down. I agree if he wants the big money pass, but if we can get him fairly cheap I will be on board.

 

[kilz]

if they pay him above average safety money. It would be similar to the mistake that the foreskins made with Archuleta on a smaller scale. Hamlin is a junior version of Roy Williams (just like Archuleta and Taylor) and what Dallas needs is a FS that can cover up for mistakes when the blitz doesn't get there and help the corners deep. That isn't Hamlin. He flies up the field on every play fake and is always on the verge of the late hit and unecessary roughness call. He has had off field problems since Arkansas.

His nickname in Seattle is the Hammer, not the blanket. The safeties in Seattle were almost as bad in coverage as Dallas'. There is a reason that Seattle is letting him go, do we want their baggage?

My thoughts exactly, well put sir.

 

[Coakleys Dad]

if they pay him above average safety money. It would be similar to the mistake that the foreskins made with Archuleta on a smaller scale. Hamlin is a junior version of Roy Williams (just like Archuleta and Taylor) and what Dallas needs is a FS that can cover up for mistakes when the blitz doesn't get there and help the corners deep. That isn't Hamlin. He flies up the field on every play fake and is always on the verge of the late hit and unecessary roughness call. He has had off field problems since Arkansas.

His nickname in Seattle is the Hammer, not the blanket. The safeties in Seattle were almost as bad in coverage as Dallas'. There is a reason that Seattle is letting him go, do we want their baggage?

i totally agree

 

[superpunk]

I'll never understand the need to use absolutes like "always" and "every time" to make a point. I sincerely doubt Hamlin bites on EVERY play fake.

Everything I've read from Seahawks fans about him say yes, he would be better suited at SS. But he is not some floundering blob at FS, it seems he is just average. The determining factor should be "How does he fit in Wade's defense at FS?" and "Could we get the same or better production from Watkins?"

 

[acruther]

Worth the risk, in my opinion as it gives us the flexibility to let Watkins develop. I really don't want to spend a 1st rounder on a free safety. They aren't that valuable.

Vela article on Hamlin.​

Good Hamlin, Bad Hamlin By Rafael Vela 115 Comments

Hamlin would seem to be the better of those [Hamlin and Deion Grant] but he struggled big time against the deep pass this year.
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KC Joyner on Ken Hamlin’s 2006, Espnet

Ken Hamlin was having and excellent season before he was injured in an off the field incident. Hamlin was stopping nearly 70% of the passes thrown at him and was especially good at shutting down the deep pass.
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– Joyner, Scientific Football 2006, on Hamlin’s abbreviated 2005 season
If you could promise me the 2005 Ken Hamlin, I’d take a shot at him later this week. Here are some comparisons with his 2005 play and Keith Davis’, to give you yet one more piece of evidence to show Dallas really, really, I’m begging you please really, needs a free safety.

Coverage Safeties, 2005

Success %
1. Nick Collins, Green Bay, 69.4%
2. Ken Hamlin, Seattle, 68.2%
24. Keith Davis, Dallas, 45.2%

Yards Allowed
1. Sam Brandon, Denver, 94
2. Ken Hamlin, Seattle, 135
32. Keith Davis, Dallas 435

Yards per Attempt
1. Sam Brandon, Denver 4.1
5. Ken Hamlin, Seattle, 6.1
36. Keith Davis, Dallas 15.6

SYPA — Success x YPA
1. Sam Brandon, Denver, 1.4
3. Ken Hamlin, Seattle, 2.0
36. Keith Davis, Dallas, 8.6

Deep Pass Success %
5. Ken Hamlin, Seattle 80%
11. Brian Dawkins, Phila., 71%
34. Keith Davis, Dallas, 42.9%

Deep Pass Yards Allowed
13. Chris Hope, Pitt., 125
15. Darren Sharper, Minn, 138
36. Keith Davis, Dallas, 369

Let’s put aside the question of which Hamlin will show up in 2007. Look at Davis’ coverage stats. They were the worst in the NFL that year among coverage safeties. Joyner’s synopsis echoes something said on this blog time and again this past year, “what happens when a team has two run safeties and no cover safeties?”

Know that 36 safeties played enough to earn ratings, so Davis ranked dead last in several categories, including all the deep coverage stats. The 2006 numbers are not out, but when you consider that Pat Watkins was benched for a time to reinsert Davis, well, I think you know my take.

http://theboysblog.com/2007/02/27/go...in-bad-hamlin/

 

[zrinkill]

I think he will be cheap insurance ........

The question that should be asked is if he is better than Killer ....... if he is I say sign him to a cheap contract

 

[t.o.boys81]

Well, in my opinion, Hamlin is just as good if not better than what we have at FS right now. I say give him a shot to play next to Roy.

 

[Rampage]

Well, in my opinion, Hamlin is just as good if not better than what we have at FS right now. I say give him a shot to play next to Roy.

i agree, we can't get any worse at the position. he will also be competition for watkins in tc

 

[stealth]

on the radio they were saying he is a pro bowl caliber FS not sure why you guys are hating on him.
oh and this wasn't a cowboys homer saying it either

 

[5mics]

if they pay him above average safety money. It would be similar to the mistake that the foreskins made with Archuleta on a smaller scale. Hamlin is a junior version of Roy Williams (just like Archuleta and Taylor) and what Dallas needs is a FS that can cover up for mistakes when the blitz doesn't get there and help the corners deep. That isn't Hamlin. He flies up the field on every play fake and is always on the verge of the late hit and unecessary roughness call. He has had off field problems since Arkansas.

His nickname in Seattle is the Hammer, not the blanket. The safeties in Seattle were almost as bad in coverage as Dallas'. There is a reason that Seattle is letting him go, do we want their baggage?

YAWN.....ok, I'll bite since I have nothing better to do right now. I DON'T think signing Hamlin will be a mistake if it were to happen. Would upgrade the position benefitting the entire team. Will give Watkins much needed competition and will allow us to draft BPA w/ our #1. Yeah, I don't think signing Hamlin would be a mistake.....

 

[InmanRoshi]

Its sad that we've become so accustomed to limited, one dimensional players at safety that it just blows our minds that some guys can lay hits AND cover. "I've seen this guy make big hits. Obviously he's an in the box type". How far we've fallen from the days of Darren Woodson.

I guess there is a reason why the Eagles let Dante Stallworth go and signed Kevin Curtis instead. Someone needs to let Scott Piolli and Belichick know that they haven't a clue what they're doing.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

if they pay him above average safety money. It would be similar to the mistake that the foreskins made with Archuleta on a smaller scale. Hamlin is a junior version of Roy Williams (just like Archuleta and Taylor) and what Dallas needs is a FS that can cover up for mistakes when the blitz doesn't get there and help the corners deep. That isn't Hamlin. He flies up the field on every play fake and is always on the verge of the late hit and unecessary roughness call. He has had off field problems since Arkansas.

His nickname in Seattle is the Hammer, not the blanket. The safeties in Seattle were almost as bad in coverage as Dallas'. There is a reason that Seattle is letting him go, do we want their baggage?

I agree with you.....not really excited about this player

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think it's very interesting that we are considering signing Hamlin. To me, he is a SS. Could mean nothing but still, I think it's interesting that we are considering signing a SS that I would say is good enough to be a starter in this league.

 

[NeonNinja]

Hamlin would be a great additon to the seconday. He has been a FS his entire playing career dating back to college. He has good coverage skills and is an upgrade over KD and even PW at the moment. Pat will hopefully turn into the starter but he's not ready right now.

 

[tunahelper]

I wonder if his signing would lead to trading Roy?

Sure would be nice if we could get int he top ten of the draft and replace him.

We need to have cover safeties and Watkins & Hamlin would be a good duo.

 

[Charles]

if they pay him above average safety money. It would be similar to the mistake that the foreskins made with Archuleta on a smaller scale. Hamlin is a junior version of Roy Williams (just like Archuleta and Taylor) and what Dallas needs is a FS that can cover up for mistakes when the blitz doesn't get there and help the corners deep. That isn't Hamlin. He flies up the field on every play fake and is always on the verge of the late hit and unecessary roughness call. He has had off field problems since Arkansas.

His nickname in Seattle is the Hammer, not the blanket. The safeties in Seattle were almost as bad in coverage as Dallas'. There is a reason that Seattle is letting him go, do we want their baggage?

Awww Damn!!!​

 

[dargonking999]

hamlin had as many interceptions, as watkins, and played twice as many games. if anyone feels he is better than watkins, you need to put down the joint, and step away from your twisted reality

 

[NeonNinja]

Were Watkins int's where he made great reads and plays? I believe one was at least a tipped ball that he ended up with. I think Watkins will turn into a great FS but I don't think he is ready right now, Hamlin would be much better this year but who knows.

 

[AbeBeta]

hamlin had as many interceptions, as watkins, and played twice as many games. if anyone feels he is better than watkins, you need to put down the joint, and step away from your twisted reality

Hamlin had 96 tackles and Watkins 38.

There is absolutely no comparison. Hamlin is far superior against the run.

Anyone who has watched both teams will note that you actually notice Hamlin on the field -- usually for good things.