Hamlins arent' the ball hawks needed at FS

Nightshade

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The Hamlin's, Ken and Mike, don't seem to be the answer at FS. The Cowboys need a ball hawk at Safety, considering the pressure that Wade Philips defense brings to QB's, the int. production from the Safety position has been abysmal over the past couple of seasons. Ken Hamlin is great at setting up the secondary but his INT. production is awful. Mike Hamlin was drafted last year to provide some hope going forward but at best he may develop into a slower Ken Hamlin.

KEN HAMLIN

Key stat: Hamlin did not record an interception for only the second time in seven seasons, the other being in 2005 with the Seahawks when he missed 10 games with a serious head injury.

Contract Status: Signed through 2013.

2009 Impact: Hamlin returned as the starting free safety in his second season (third overall in Dallas) of a six-year, $39 million contract. He made 12 starts, missing four games in November and December with a high ankle sprain.

Due in part to the injury, Hamlin's team-credited 74 tackles were the lowest of his career and his three pass breakups were the second lowest (excluding that shortened '05 season).

MIKE HAMLIN

Here's a guy who also missed a chunk of last year due to injury, but I was surprised to find out that his Combine 40 speed was one of the slowest at the safety position in the draft. He was timed at 4.62 :eek:

Here's his nfl.com draft Analysis...

Positives: Rangy player with the frame to add an additional 10-15 pounds of mass. ... Quick to come up in run support. ... Willing to take on blocks to get to the action. ... Reliable tackler in the open field who flashes hitting ability. ... Wrap-up tackler who looks to punch or rip the ball out to create a turnover. ... Instinctive in coverage. Reads the quarterback's eyes and gets a good break on the ball due to his feel for the game. ... Natural hands for the interception. ... Competes for the ball and can time his leap to catch it at its highest point. ... Good vision and elusiveness with the ball in his hands. ... Cerebral player who lines up the Clemson defensive backfield and was voted a permanent team captain as a junior.

Negatives: Questionable straight-line speed. ... Much better with his eyes pointed toward the quarterback, as he lacks the deep speed most teams want as the deep safety. ... Reliable open-field tackler, but lacks bulk and explosive hitting ability to be an intimidator over the middle. ... Durability red flags: broke both feet in his career, missing three games in 2006 after breaking one against Boston College and undergoing postseason surgery after the 2007 season with a stress fracture in the other.

Injury Report
2006: Suffered a fifth metatarsal bone fracture in his left foot during fourth quarter action vs. Boston College (9/09), missing the next three games vs. Florida State (9/16), North Carolina (9/23) and Louisiana Tech (9/30).

2007: Left the Chick-fil-A Bowl with an undisclosed injury.
2009: Suffered a hamstring pull working out nine days prior to Pro Day (3/24).

Neither of these two guys inspire enough confidence to forego drafting a standout BALL HAWK at safety.

The only need that might be greater is OT.
 

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Sorta off the topic but is it just me who has grown weary of the 'ball hawk' moniker? Playmaking safety I can go for but something in me cringes every time I read ball hawk. Maybe it's just over used.

Anyway, I do think getting playmakers on both sides of the ball will be a priority this draft for sure.
 

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How can we know anyting about M. Hamlin? From all reports, he was getting his hands on a lot of balls before he got hurt.
 

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CIWhitefish;3287204 said:
Sorta off the topic but is it just me who has grown weary of the 'ball hawk' moniker? Playmaking safety I can go for but something in me cringes every time I read ball hawk. Maybe it's just over used.

Anyway, I do think getting playmakers on both sides of the ball will be a priority this draft for sure.

I'm good with playmaker instead of ball hawk. I was hoping when we drafted Watkins that he'd be the playmaker we were looking for but after 4 years I don't think Watkins is going to step up to be that guy.

1st or 2nd round draft choice.
 

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I hate the thought of adding more free agents.

Draft well and you don't need them. Somewhere in this draft is a safety who can help the Cowboys. Maybe even help this coming season.
 

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Paniolo22;3287209 said:
How can we know anyting about M. Hamlin? From all reports, he was getting his hands on a lot of balls before he got hurt.

4.62 40??

We GOTTA be able to do better than that in our starting FS.
 

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Nightshade;3287215 said:
4.62 40??

We GOTTA be able to do better than that in our starting FS.

I agree. Because our safeties are all the time running in a straight line, in shorts, during games.
 

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Nightshade;3287215 said:
4.62 40??

We GOTTA be able to do better than that in our starting FS.

o gosh...... r u one of those combine nerds??? give me a break, did you see every DB's time at the combine last year?
 

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HoleInTheRoof;3287228 said:
I agree. Because our safeties are all the time running in a straight line, in shorts, during games.

:laugh2:

Hilarious. I'm sure Desean Jackson, Jeremy Macklin, Santana Moss, A. Randle El, D. Hixon and Steve Smith are hoping to joing you in the great laugh you're having.
 

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zrinkill;3287218 said:
Mike Hamlin is gonna be our safety of the future.

Agree! The kid was playmaker at Clemson. He had 14 interceptions with that 4.62 speed. I'm all for drafting another safety, but Mike Hamlin will have a nice career with Dallas.
 

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royw11utdc;3287231 said:
o gosh...... r u one of those combine nerds??? give me a break, did you see every DB's time at the combine last year?

Forget his time then. Are you comortable enough with M. Hamlin to not draft a Safety with the first or second?
 

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zrinkill;3287218 said:
Mike Hamlin is gonna be our safety of the future.

Hopefully but they want him as a strong safety so that doesn't get rid of Ken.
 

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CIWhitefish;3287204 said:
Sorta off the topic but is it just me who has grown weary of the 'ball hawk' moniker? Playmaking safety I can go for but something in me cringes every time I read ball hawk. Maybe it's just over used.

Anyway, I do think getting playmakers on both sides of the ball will be a priority this draft for sure.

I think it is over used also. Everyone expects an INT out of these guys every down the way it seems anyway.
Just not going to happen.
 

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jazzcat22;3287245 said:
I think it is over used also. Everyone expects an INT out of these guys every down the way it seems anyway.
Just not going to happen.

It may be overused but Hamlin just never makes any plays on the ball.

You would think with our pass rush it would be different but its not.

Also Broadus has said the guy lines up extremely deep and at times gets froze.

The Cowboys believe they can do better than Hamlin and obviously they can do better with the type of money he is getting paid.
 

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CATCH17;3287248 said:
It may be overused but Hamlin just never makes any plays on the ball.

You would think with our pass rush it would be different but its not.

Also Broadus has said the guy lines up extremely deep and at times gets froze.

The Cowboys believe they can do better than Hamlin and obviously they can do better with the type of money he is getting paid.

Oh, I agree. Not saying they can't do better, because they can. Just saying sometimes people expect too much. Kind of like when A-Rod was with the Rangers, everyone expected him to hit a HR every time at bat for the $$$$ he was getting.
 

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Mike Hamlin is a ballhawk. I'm pretty sure that's one of his strengths?!
 

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Double Trouble;3287214 said:
Somewhere in this draft is a safety who can help the Cowboys. Maybe even help this coming season.
There are two: Eric Berry and Earl Thomas. Berry should be long gone before our first pick, and Thomas may be gone as well.
 

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I agree that Mike Hamlin shouldn't be our FS...........he should be our SS.............because he is a SS
 
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