Hannibal, anyone watch this?

[Bill Wooten]

We started watching this last night. First few episodes were good. Looking forward to seeing how this plays out.

 

[Smith22]

We started watching this last night. First few episodes were good. Looking forward to seeing how this plays out.

As long as gore doesn't bother you, you will love it. I think part of the shows struggle with ratings is that it comes on so late on a Friday night, but with the gore and subject matter involved, I understand it.

 

[joseephuss]

As long as gore doesn't bother you, you will love it. I think part of the shows struggle with ratings is that it comes on so late on a Friday night, but with the gore and subject matter involved, I understand it.

I'm surprised they get away with as much gore as they do. It could almost be a HBO series.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'm going to have to watch this all.

I watched most of season 1, but I missed a few episodes and now I've missed all of season 2. I'm going to have to find this on netflix or something later in the year and try and get it all caught up on before it returns next season. I really loved the show when I watched it last season.

 

[blindzebra]

It is at its best when it pays tribute to the original material...even in a comical way like with the census taker line...and at its worst when it went out of its way to stray from Harris' story line.

Season 2 was difficult to watch at times because it went too far away from Harris' books, but did redeem itself with the finale.

 

[joseephuss]

It is at its best when it pays tribute to the original material...even in a comical way like with the census taker line...and at its worst when it went out of its way to stray from Harris' story line.

Season 2 was difficult to watch at times because it went too far away from Harris' books, but did redeem itself with the finale.

It had to go away from the books. If it didn't it would have lasted only a few episodes. I enjoyed the burning wheel chair homage.

 

[blindzebra]

It had to go away from the books. If it didn't it would have lasted only a few episodes. I enjoyed the burning wheel chair homage.

Yes it did but there is plenty of room to make things interesting without going as far as they did. Building up Graham's mistrust of Hannibal could have gone on a long time without...SPOILER ALERT...killing off Chilton, turning Will into a killer, possibly killing Crawford etc...the introduction of the Verger story line could have carried an entire season alone.

I was hoping for a split season where they would do an episode of profiling followed by the build up to catching Lecter. Kind of like how the X-Files always mixed things up with weird cases outside of the main story line of Mulder searching for the truth.

 

[Teren_Kanan]

Yes it did but there is plenty of room to make things interesting without going as far as they did. Building up Graham's mistrust of Hannibal could have gone on a long time without...SPOILER ALERT...killing off Chilton, turning Will into a killer, possibly killing Crawford etc...the introduction of the Verger story line could have carried an entire season alone.

I was hoping for a split season where they would do an episode of profiling followed by the build up to catching Lecter. Kind of like how the X-Files always mixed things up with weird cases outside of the main story line of Mulder searching for the truth.

Spoilers, highlight below.

Chilton being dead is unconfirmed. Bullet entered into his cheek and out the back of his neck. The creator was interviewed and wouldn't confirm Chilton's death when asked. It's probably a matter of whether or not they want to bring him back, and leaving that option open.

Don't see how Will is any more of a killer now, than he was after the very first episode of season 1. He's only killed 2 serial killers as far as I know, one to protect Abigail, another in self defense.
I love the interplay between Will/Lecter, I think their relationship is the highlight of the show right now. I don't recall them being so close in the novels but it's been some 15 years since I've read Red Dragon. If I recall correctly he catches lecter pretty quickly after meeting him, kind of by freak chance.

I'm glad season 2 got away from the Serial Killer of the Week routine, as that would have gotten stale, but I certainly wouldn't mind them mixing a bit of that into season 3. He could be looking for serial killers, hoping one might be Lecter etc. Lots they could do this season as they more or less have a free season to make non book material before Season 4 which is planned to follow Red Dragon.

I loved the verger bit this year, and I certainly wouldn't have minded a bit more of them. The guy playing Mason was absolutely fantastic in the role, any excuse to have had him longer would have been good.

 

[Doc50]

Have loved all of the Hannibal movies, but do not like the TV series. Also loved Dexter, another examination of abnormal psychology.

The recent finale episode illustrates my objections -- it is just gratuitous gore for the simple purpose of shock effect. There does not appear to be a reason for much of his killing, except to revel in it. The good vs evil scenario is not well developed, nor is the detailed pathology of the killer's dysfunction

The girl who succumbed in the finale just let it happen, as if there would be no sense in resisting the evil power of the antagonist. The slow miserable signs of dying are painfully depicted in innocent victims in many instances, and I fail to find any educational or entertaining slant in that.

I have dealt with too many knifings and other traumatic injuries to find amusement in this pointless blood-letting.

Even adults may be somewhat traumatized by the gore.

 

[joseephuss]

There does not appear to be a reason for much of his killing, except to revel in it. .

That seems something likely for a serial killer.

 

[Doc50]

That seems something likely for a serial killer.

Not for "Buffalo Bob", the red dragon dude, or Dexter. There was a method to their madness.

 

[joseephuss]

Not for "Buffalo Bob", the red dragon dude, or Dexter. There was a method to their madness.

HH Holmes seemed to revel in his killings with no method to his madness.

 

[Doc50]

HH Holmes seemed to revel in his killings with no method to his madness.

Yeah, and that kind of gratuitous slaughter without insight about what makes the killer tick -- that's where they lose me.

 

[Teren_Kanan]

He eats the rude. He doesn't like rude people. That's always been his MO.
He's narcissistic and likes out smarting the cops. He does revel in it. He also likes to play god.
He will also kill on a personal level, vendetta or defensive.
There is a method to his madness.

There's been a reason behind all of his kills. Not sure if there are any in particular you are referring to.

I'd argue he has equal if not more method to his madness than Dexter. Dexter has a code, sure, but that isn't his reason for killing. He doesn't kill people because they are bad, he just chooses to kill bad people because he has to kill someone. His reason for killing is simply because he has urges to do so that he cannot resist forever. He would be killing innocent people otherwise, which is why Harry taught him the code, which is only an outlet to make his murdering more agreeable on an internal level.

The girl who succumbed had been stashed away by him for who knows how long. She definitely had some Stockholm like symptoms going on, and a dependency on him due to her past. Between drugs and "Unusual" therapy methods, there's no telling what was done to her. What she does was no surprise after what they already showed possible earlier in the season with Miriam. There was already a precedence for it really.

As for the gore. Not your cup of tea and there's no problem with that. It's not for everyone, but I certainly don't see anything pointless about it, as it pertains to the story. The ending to season 2 was the accumulation of nearly everything that had happened since Episode 1 of season 1, it all tied perfectly together.

Calling it pointless would be like calling the gore of the "Red Wedding" (Game of Thrones) pointless.

 

[Doc50]

He eats the rude. He doesn't like rude people. That's always been his MO.
He's narcissistic and likes out smarting the cops. He does revel in it. He also likes to play god.
He will also kill on a personal level, vendetta or defensive.
There is a method to his madness.

There's been a reason behind all of his kills. Not sure if there are any in particular you are referring to.

I'd argue he has equal if not more method to his madness than Dexter. Dexter has a code, sure, but that isn't his reason for killing. He doesn't kill people because they are bad, he just chooses to kill bad people because he has to kill someone. His reason for killing is simply because he has urges to do so that he cannot resist forever. He would be killing innocent people otherwise, which is why Harry taught him the code, which is only an outlet to make his murdering more agreeable on an internal level.

The girl who succumbed had been stashed away by him for who knows how long. She definitely had some Stockholm like symptoms going on, and a dependency on him due to her past. Between drugs and "Unusual" therapy methods, there's no telling what was done to her. What she does was no surprise after what they already showed possible earlier in the season with Miriam. There was already a precedence for it really.

As for the gore. Not your cup of tea and there's no problem with that. It's not for everyone, but I certainly don't see anything pointless about it, as it pertains to the story. The ending to season 2 was the accumulation of nearly everything that had happened since Episode 1 of season 1, it all tied perfectly together.

Calling it pointless would be like calling the gore of the "Red Wedding" (Game of Thrones) pointless.

So, was the helpless girl rude, or just needing ultimate domination?

 

[tantrix1969]

So, was the helpless girl rude, or just needing ultimate domination?

Neither, Hannibal killing Abigail was more to hurt Will since Will had betrayed him

 

[Teren_Kanan]

Him killing her was exactly what he said it was. The moment when the tea cup shattered (Season 1, episode 1). He explains via dialogue in those final scenes, exactly why he is doing it, metaphorically. Everything comes full circle because of Will's betrayal. "Time did reverse, the tea cup that I shattered did come together", was Him+will+Abi essentially becoming a family. Will betrayed him and ruined that possibility, thus returning them to the moment when the teacup shattered. It's symbolic of their relationships.

 

[joseephuss]

Hanibal in this television series has the same motivations as Hanibal of the films.

 

[burmafrd]

They are going to have to be very careful when they do the Silence of the Lambs part; they need to change it enough so that there is no real comparison with the movie. Because with all due respect, these guys are not in Foster's or Hopkins league.

 

[joseephuss]

We don't know who will play Agent Starling yet do we?