Happy 236 year Birthday of the US Marine Corps

[Eric_Boyer]

Free country but honestly?

you know darn well we can't have an honest, open discussion on this issue on this forum.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

you know darn well we can't have an honest, open discussion on this issue on this forum.

Not questioning that. Just the reasoning behind your not so subtle statement on the Op-ed. It is of course, your opinion and you are free to state it, to a point, as you have already acknowledged.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Not questioning that. Just the reasoning behind your not so subtle statement on the Op-ed. It is of course, your opinion and you are free to state it, to a point, as you have already acknowledged.

I see no end in sight to churches publicly honoring veterans, people praising the troops for defending our freedoms, government turning national holidays into military recognition days, having special military appreciation days, etc, etc.

The Golden Calf analogy seems pretty darn fitting to the climate I'm growing up in.

 

[Doomsday101]

I see no end in sight to churches publicly honoring veterans, people praising the troops for defending our freedoms, government turning national holidays into military recognition days, having special military appreciation days, etc, etc.

The Golden Calf analogy seems pretty darn fitting to the climate I'm growing up in.

Why would paying honor to those who would place themselfs in harms way for this nation be a bad thing?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I see no end in sight to churches publicly honoring veterans, people praising the troops for defending our freedoms, government turning national holidays into military recognition days, having special military appreciation days, etc, etc.

Thankfully, some things have not changed.

There are plenty of avenues from which to present your opinions. This has not changed either and in fact, those avenues seem to be ever increasing. This too you can blame on Servicemen and Women, among others.

I'm happy that you and I still live in a Country that affords us such rights.

I hope you are too.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Why would paying honor to those who would place themselfs in harms way for this nation be a bad thing?

I can’t really explain it on this forum without being dinged, but the very nature of how this discourse is regulated is the example I am speaking of. I’m quite sure I am stepping over the boundaries with this post

It is totally acceptable to lavish praise on the military. It is fine to openly praise the military for “defending our freedoms”, but to take a contrary position is political in nature, and very often not allowed.

support for the military has become sanctimonious. No-one dare say anything bad about it, just as nobody dare speak badly of the golden calf.

A perfect example is a resolution passed by Fellowship of Baptist Churches in Wisconsin

Whereas there are young men and women from our country and our churches in military service, and some in perilous situations around the world, and whereas we appreciate their sacrifices and willingness to protect our freedom, BE IT RESOLVED that we will pray for our troops, support them in tangible ways as we have opportunity, and encourage them to make their field of service a harvest field for the Kingdom of God.

 

[Doomsday101]

I can’t really explain it on this forum without being dinged, but the very nature of how this discourse is regulated is the example I am speaking of. I’m quite sure I am stepping over the boundaries with this post

It is totally acceptable to lavish praise on the military. It is fine to openly praise the military for “defending our freedoms”, but to take a contrary position is political in nature, and very often not allowed.

support for the military has become sanctimonious. No-one dare say anything bad about it, just as nobody dare speak badly of the golden calf.

A perfect example is a resolution passed by Fellowship of Baptist Churches in Wisconsin

Way I see it they fought and died for all people freedom in this country even the views I disagree with.

Granted I don't want to put you in a situation on this site that would put you in violation of rules so I'll leave you to your thoughts

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Way I see it they fought and died for all people freedom in this country even the views I disagree with.

Granted I don't want to put you in a situation on this site that would put you in violation of rules so I'll leave you to your thoughts

This was certainly true a long, long time ago.

not anymore.

defending, guarding, patrolling, attacking, invading, or occupying other countries. providing disaster relief, dispensing humanitarian aid, supplying peacekeepers, enforcing UN resolutions, nation building, spreading goodwill, launching preemptive strikes, changing regimes, enforcing no-fly zones, rebuilding infrastructure, reviving public services, promoting good governance, garrisoning the planet with bases, etc, etc, does nothing to protect my freedom.

In fact, it jeopardizes them.

 

[Doomsday101]

This was certainly true a long, long time ago.

not anymore.

defending, guarding, patrolling, attacking, invading, or occupying other countries. providing disaster relief, dispensing humanitarian aid, supplying peacekeepers, enforcing UN resolutions, nation building, spreading goodwill, launching preemptive strikes, changing regimes, enforcing no-fly zones, rebuilding infrastructure, reviving public services, promoting good governance, garrisoning the planet with bases, etc, etc, does nothing to protect my freedom.

In fact, it jeopardizes them.

I would disagree but as least I understand the view point you are coming from.

 

[Dallas]

This was certainly true a long, long time ago.

not anymore.

defending, guarding, patrolling, attacking, invading, or occupying other countries. providing disaster relief, dispensing humanitarian aid, supplying peacekeepers, enforcing UN resolutions, nation building, spreading goodwill, launching preemptive strikes, changing regimes, enforcing no-fly zones, rebuilding infrastructure, reviving public services, promoting good governance, garrisoning the planet with bases, etc, etc, does nothing to protect my freedom.

In fact, it jeopardizes them.

You do realize they are ordered to do that? If you are upset at anyone be upset w/ your government leaders ordering our military to do those things.

Something entirely different to be upset w/ the task they were ordered to do. I understand that part completely.

But...I love our military and I know they are just doing what they were ordered to do so I can't fault them.

Please don't confuse the two.

Our military has to go when ordered.

 

[Doomsday101]

You do realize they are ordered to do that? If you are upset at anyone be upset w/ your government leaders ordering our military to do those things.

Its one thing to give support and praise to our military. They deserve that because they are doing their job.

Something entirely different to be upset w/ the task they were ordered to do.

Don't confuse those 2. Our military has to go when ordered.

Very true. They carry out the mission they do not oder the mission.

And they volunteer to do it when they sign up for the military.

I know any time my dad sees one of our men or women in uniform he makes it a habit to shake their hands.

One day we were having breakfast together and there was a Marine sitting at the table next to us and dad told the waitress to give him the bill for that Marine

 

[YosemiteSam]

One day we were having breakfast together and there was a Marine sitting at the table next to us and dad told the waitress to give him the bill for that Marine

We get a lot of Military guys in NYC sight seeing. I don't go out to lunch often, but if I do and I see them ordering lunch, I generally buy it for them.

It happens most often in the airport though. Mostly I end up buying beers rather than food though. :laugh2:

 

[Doomsday101]

We get a lot of Military guys in NYC sight seeing. I don't go out to lunch often, but if I do and I see them ordering lunch, I generally buy it for them.

It happens most often in the airport though. Mostly I end up buying beers rather than food though. :laugh2:

Just when I think I have you figured out you end up being a good man.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

You do realize they are ordered to do that? If you are upset at anyone be upset w/ your government leaders ordering our military to do those things.

Something entirely different to be upset w/ the task they were ordered to do. I understand that part completely.

But...I love our military and I know they are just doing what they were ordered to do so I can't fault them.

Please don't confuse the two.

Our military has to go when ordered.

I’m annoyed that people idolize the military, knowing that this is bad for the country as a whole.

Individual men/women that risk their life to do what they think is good and just are not the target of my anger. The civilian population is at fault to me. Perhaps that didn’t come across in my statements.

 

[Doomsday101]

I’m annoyed that people idolize the military, knowing that this is bad for the country as a whole.

Individual men/women that risk their life to do what they think is good and just are not the target of my anger. The civilian population is at fault to me. Perhaps that didn’t come across in my statements.

I don't think it is bad giving thanks to those who put themselfs at risk

How do you feel about sports parades?

Shot I would figure if you felt that way about our Milatary men and women, then sports figures and the fans who follow them and praise them would fall to your wrath.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

I don't think it is bad giving thanks to those who put themselfs at risk

How do you feel about sports parades?

Shot I would figure if you felt that way about our Milatary men and women, then sports figures and the fans who follow them and praise them would fall to your wrath.

How do you feel about students rioting at State College, not because of the atrocities done to young boys, but because of the termination of their own Golden Calf?

 

[Doomsday101]

How do you feel about students rioting at State College, not because of the atrocities done to young boys, but because of the termination of their own Golden Calf?

Rioting I'm opposed to however if they want to protest that is their right to do so in a peaceful manner.

You did not answer my question. Why no outrage when a fan buys a jersey of a player or gets their autograph or when a city throws a parade for the team who just won a championship?

 

[burmafrd]

Very true. They carry out the mission they do not oder the mission.

And they volunteer to do it when they sign up for the military.

I know any time my dad sees one of our men or women in uniform he makes it a habit to shake their hands.

One day we were having breakfast together and there was a Marine sitting at the table next to us and dad told the waitress to give him the bill for that Marine

Your Dad has it correct. sorry that you don't.

 

[burmafrd]

If one is worried about idolatry it would be more to the point to worry about the cult of celebrity and the like over the military. But hey everyone has their pet hates.

 

[Doomsday101]

Your Dad has it correct. sorry that you don't.

I do as well. Not to the extent he does but I'm learning.

I commend my father for it, he served in the Navy and while he has not always agreed with the engagements we have been involved in he does respect those who serve and yes I do as well.