Hardy contract impact on 2016 cap

[xwalker]

none of that is really true because they can not pay for his weekly incentives in a future season.
they can not borrow form next year in that manner.
the cba language is real clear.

they can borrow by pushing off money due to romo or someone else but they can not with hardy.
this is cut and dried.

Yes, it is technically possible. If the Cowboys use up all cap space in 2015 and don't have enough for Hardy's incentives, then they push forward and count against the 2016 cap.

This is impractical because they couldn't make any moves in 2015 once they had zero cap space, but it is technically possible.

 

[jterrell]

I agree. So does Steven Jones.
If in doubt ask Adam.

adam has already explained it doesn't work that way.
the cba is clear.
if the money is paid weekly it counts as it is paid.
if it is paid after the 16 game season it can be pushed to next season.

this is a weekly payment structured specifically to hit this year where it is earned.

dallas has a zillion ways to create room if they want to push to next year so the whole discussion is pointless beyond understanding the cap.

dallas won't keep dez franchised all year because it does nothing to help them long term.
both dez and dallas have every reason to reach agreement by july 15th.

 

[jterrell]

Yes, it is technically possible. If the Cowboys use up all cap space in 2015 and don't have enough for Hardy's incentives, then they push forward and count against the 2016 cap.

This is impractical because they couldn't make any moves in 2015 once they had zero cap space, but it is technically possible.

no, it's not.
they can not push weekly totals forward.
weekly totals are paid now and they much balance the cap PER WEEK.

at the end of the year any yearly bonuses paid after week 16 can be pushed.
again this is VERY EASY.

 

[Temo]

That is completely wrong. The per game pay will be charged to 2015. Only about 1.8M of incentives will go on the 2016 cap.
It does not really matter which year, it's all about the total amount. Any team with cap flexibility is concerned about the total multi-year cap impact. The specific year issues can be manipulated as needed.

^^ This.

It doesn't matter in the end what year his cap charges go under, since all available space is rolled over into subsequent years. It's all one big pool.

 

[Nightman]

Yes, it is real clear that they can. Even Adam didn't disagree, he simply said it wasn't realistic that they would get into a situation where they had no cap space left which would result in the overages being pushed to next year. I proposed scenarios where we could. We'll see what happens.

Who cares about pushing money to next year and when they make the room????? They have to pay Hardy another 8m at some point and they need another 8m to comfortably pay for the Draft, full 53, the IR guys, replacements and a cushion. And they can always roll over the excess.

When they signed Hardy they threw away this notion of dumpster diving. They will pay full retail for Hardy at 11-13m and they need to re-do Rmo like was always the plan when he signed. That is why his base is so high this year when he coincidentally has 5 years left on his contract to pro-rate. His base in only 8.5m next year and they won't get much relief by restructuring.

JJones wants to appear cap poor. It helps with Dez, it helped in letting Murray walk(which is what they wanted) and it helps his reputation with the fans that don't understand the benefits of restructuring. The truth is Dallas can still get 30m in space this year rather easily with Dunbar and CJones as the only cuts.

 

[xwalker]

no, it's not.
they can not push weekly totals forward.
weekly totals are paid now and they much balance the cap PER WEEK.

at the end of the year any yearly bonuses paid after week 16 can be pushed.
again this is VERY EASY.

I'm referring the the sack incentives.

 

[Nightman]

no, it's not.
they can not push weekly totals forward.
weekly totals are paid now and they much balance the cap PER WEEK.

at the end of the year any yearly bonuses paid after week 16 can be pushed.
again this is VERY EASY.

Once they go over the first time, the roster is locked until they get back under. If the League thinks the team is intentionally trying to circumvent the cap they can fine them up to 6.5m and take draft picks

There is no benefit to doing it that way, make plenty of space and roll over the rest

 

[jterrell]

I'm referring the the sack incentives.

oh yes those can be pushed but account for such a small amount as to be meaningless.
he'd have to have more sacks than our entire starting from did last year to even reach 1.8m.

 

[xwalker]

oh yes those can be pushed but account for such a small amount as to be meaningless.
he'd have to have more sacks than our entire starting from did last year to even reach 1.8m.

It really doesn't matter either way because they are not going to get to the point of zero cap space.

 

[Nightman]

It really doesn't matter either way because they are not going to get to the point of zero cap space.

We should always have a 5m cushion to allow for injury replacements and possible trades.

Roster flexibility is key.

 

[BlindFaith]

no, it's not.
they can not push weekly totals forward.
weekly totals are paid now and they much balance the cap PER WEEK.

at the end of the year any yearly bonuses paid after week 16 can be pushed.
again this is VERY EASY.

I know its hard to read a post that's more than just a couple of sentences. I've detailed why I think they can. I've yet to see anyone detail why they can't. I've disputed every point that has been made against my argument. Yet we're still going in circles. Adam never said what I was proposing wasn't possible. He said it wasn't probable. No one has answered these questions I raised:
Those that don't agree, please show me where in the CBA it says:

1. You have to either have cap space available at the start of the season to cover for, or you have to make cap space available when payments are due for, roster bonuses/NLTBE incentives.
2. Roster bonuses, even though considered as an Incentive, have differing cap implications than those detailed in (ii). Specifically that NLTBE roster bonuses paid out exceeding the current cap allowance can not be carried over to the next year.
3. What the penalty is for not having enough cap space in the current year to cover said roster bonuses in the current year

The reason for this is to determine HOW they are going to go about it. Again, I posted this before.

And it gets interesting on how to go about getting that cap space. You could conceivably keep Carr at his current contract and restructure Romo, but only free up say $4mill. Especially if Hardy gets a 4 game suspension. That $4mill should cover you for injuries up until Hardy starts playing week 7. You'd be rolling the dice a little towards the end of the year since you'd be out of money to sign anyone in case of injury. But we could keep Carr and only slightly restructure Romo.

Another scenario is that Carr finally decides to take a pay cut. Let's say from $8mill to $4mill. That gives us the same scenario as above without having to restructure Romo.

Dez signing a long term contract could probably free up $7-8mill. That's probably the ideal situation. But then do you still keep Carr? Dez not signing a long term deal is really hurting us at the moment. If we could free up that space, then we could designate Carr as a June 1st cut and go out and hopefully sign his replacement now. That would gives us more flexibility in the draft.

Without Dez's long term contract, we are basically forced to cut Carr and use his money for the season. Unless we do something with Romo. And if we are going that route, then we should do it now. Restructure Romo to save us $4-5 mill this year. Designate Carr as a June1st cut. And find his replacement now. Again, we'd be rolling the dice a little in regards to cap space at the end of the year, but it may be worth it.

If Hardy gets no suspension, then I think we'll be forced to cut Carr and use all his money towards the cap. Unless we want to break the bank on Romo and use Carrs money to sign his replacement.

Many interesting twists to come in how they deal with this I think.

And I also asked this question:
Can a contract be restructured after the season has started? Could we restructure Romo say week 10? I have a feeling that the answer is no since his base salary is guaranteed at the start of the year. But not sure.