Hardy insists he's innocent until proven guilty

[khiladi]

I actually respect him more for maintaining his innocent, knowing the facts of the case and all the BS the media is lying about.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...xual-harassment-claim-involving-chris-berman/

ESPN needs to shut the F up with their hypocrisy...

 

[khiladi]

Other info out there? Links please... and make sure the links aren't news articles, op eds or other commentaries as that would be MEDIA after all.

You still haven't answered my questions: Did you see the photos? Do you believe she is making all this up? Do you believe-- after going through all "the other info" out there-- that Greg Hardy did NOT physically Nicole Holder?

The ME already testified in court that the injuries are common to an aggressor and that alcohol, which Holder was clearly under the influence of, can easily magnify bruising.

What this means is most of the injuries don't claim what the media is shouting it means, particularly considering the lack of lacerations and the fact that the real injuries occured at her extremities, which are common to an aggressor. She also testified per the DA that it was Curtis who was restraining her.

 

[khiladi]

It subsided because he apologized, went to a psychologist and said he is learning what he did was wrong and there are better ways to treat his child. He has then played without making dumb comments or making a scene. That's the main difference.

You mean his contract holdout and his consistent whining about it showed class?

 

[khiladi]

Let me say this, my father n law is a judge so Im not against judges. This woman judge that "convicted" Hardy has a history related to DV. She is sympathetic to the victims. In her past she went some what easy on an "abuser" and a week later he killed his SO. Im sure all of those things played a part in her decision. And still she only charged him with a misdemeanor. And then the case was dismissed due to lack of evidence. The "payoff" we keep hearing about is only speculation. If that DA had enough he would have proceeded anyway. What he had was a "victim" that lacked credibility and consistent testimony.

And Hardy's lawyers filed IMMEDIATELY after the decision for a jury trial, way before any alleged pay-off. And the judge ran on the fact she would be tough on DA and further, the closing statements reflect the court was trying to make some sort of statement, because it was a high-profile athlete...

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

And Hardy's lawyers filed IMMEDIATELY after the decision for a jury trial, way before any alleged pay-off. And the judge ran on the fact she would be tough on DA and further, the closing statements reflect the court was trying to make some sort of statement, because it was a high-profile athlete...

If ANYBODY objectively looks at ALL the evidence they would see that its only reasonable to ask questions about the evidence and the victim and not spout off about Hardy's guilt. Im really really ashamed of some of our "fans" (Patriots fans exempt since its to be expected) and what they say about Hardy. Many of them are acting just like the mediots and presstitutes they routinely criticize.

 

[khiladi]

If ANYBODY objectively looks at ALL the evidence they would see that its only reasonable to ask questions about the evidence and the victim and not spout off about Hardy's guilt. Im really really ashamed of some of our "fans" (Patriots fans exempt since its to be expected) and what they say about Hardy. Many of them are acting just like the mediots and presstitutes they routinely criticize.

The whole irony is that ESPN, per the link I provided, settled with the accuser of Chris Berman for sexual harassment. And they went on this long explanation about how it doesn't imply guilt, but that they don't want to deal with the expensive ligitation and yada, yada.. They say stuff like this while they attack Hardy and the settlement implying guilt and so on...

Then I got to hear Van Gundy open his mouth about Hardy, while he sits right next to Marv Albert, the women-biter and has sat next to him for years... Do they not see their hypocrisy?

 

[PAINFROMUKRAINE]

On the surface of what? Playing football? You can't be serious. You have people that act a fool even upstanding guys like Jason Witten that don't have any record but because of what someone does during a game (that most fans want the players to show emotion in) he's violent? Smh. I see how things happened to people in the past when there was no cameras, google, etc for,people to find the truth if they wanted to. People make up all kinds of lazy narratives but that also seems to be human nature when its not somebody close and or actually you(general)

I guess it is common to slap clipboards out of coaches' hands. Be real, when is the last time you saw that before Hardy did it.

 

[khiladi]

I guess it is common to slap clipboards out of coaches' hands. Be real, when is the last time you saw that before Hardy did it.

It would be hard to argue the special teams coach was actually a coach.. as far as what I saw on the field, the guys job was probably just to hold a clipboard...

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

The whole irony is that ESPN, per the link I provided, settled with the accuser of Chris Berman for sexual harassment. And they went on this long explanation about how it doesn't imply guilt, but that they don't want to deal with the expensive ligitation and yada, yada.. They say stuff like this while they attack Hardy and the settlement implying guilt and so on...

Then I got to hear Van Gundy open his mouth about Hardy, while he sits right next to Marv Albert, the women-biter and has sat next to him for years... Do they not see their hypocrisy?

I dont think they do, or care if they do. Somehow its always different when you can point at somebody else, and ease your own conscience.

 

[Philmonroe]

I guess it is common to slap clipboards out of coaches' hands. Be real, when is the last time you saw that before Hardy did it.

I don't know don't pay attention to it. Neither do you so lets not be disingenuous.

 

[DallasEast]

I guess it is common to slap clipboards out of coaches' hands. Be real, when is the last time you saw that before Hardy did it.

Commonality is irrelevant. The act itself is the non-issue.

People, including athletes, relate to sports emotionally. I've seen players in various sports throw or kick Gatorade cups, coolers, chairs, tables, etc. I've seen teammates aggressively curse at each other and even come to blows. Heck, I've seen coaches throw jabs at one another. The expectation may be held by some that civility will rear its well-groomed head throughout sports contests but football games aren't tea parties.

Some people are having difficulty relating to a player knocking a clipboard out of a coach's hands. A clipboard is no different from any other inanimate object. It holds no special significant. It's not sacred. The clipboard was the receipent of Hardy's physical anger. Hardy did not knock his coach to the ground. Seriously, I'm sure the clipboard will recover from the horrible assault caught on camera at some point. However, it should be worth noting that there will be a different circumstance altogether when players begin seeing PJ Carlesimo and actually assault their coaches.

 

[Kaiser]

Some people are having difficulty relating to a player knocking a clipboard out of a coach's hands.

If you listen to the audio, Hardy is saying "Sir, the Protect Team blocks no better than your clipboard and can be circumvented by a common DL Swim Move thusly..."

 

[DallasEast]

If you listen to the audio, Hardy is saying "Sir, the Protect Team blocks no better than your clipboard and can be circumvented by a common DL Swim Move thusly..."

lol. Hardy demonstrated the swim move on the clipboard. Too funny. So the non-issue is even less significant than it was without the audio. Thanks for adding more context. Maybe some people will discover greater understanding of what happened.

But I doubt it.

 

[Miller]

You mean his contract holdout and his consistent whining about it showed class?

I mean he apologized, got help, said what he did was wrong and then didn't make jokes about spanking kids (hot women) etc. unlike our resident meathead who has zero self awareness. Pretty nice how simple things go a long way

 

[Nightman]

I mean he apologized, got help, said what he did was wrong and then didn't make jokes about spanking kids (hot women) etc. unlike our resident meathead who has zero self awareness. Pretty nice how simple things go a long way

Peterson cut a deal to get back on the field as soon as possible. There was nothing noble about any of his actions. He didn't think he did anything wrong because it was the way he raised. He made his holdout about more money even though he was already making over 12m a year.

Nothing Hardy has done is worth even talking about if you take away the DV controversy. The sideline incident happens every game in every league. I saw Brian Kelly of Notre Dame grab and shove an assistant coach because he was jawing at the ref.

The Brady stuff is beyond meaningless. 'OMG he said Brady has a hot wife", a woman that takes naked pictures for a living.

Guns blazin' -he is now mocking your faux outrage.

Innocent until proven guilty is the foundation of out judicial system. What if it really was all on Nicole Holder? Ja'el Collins knows how troubling false information can be.

 

[khiladi]

I mean he apologized, got help, said what he did was wrong and then didn't make jokes about spanking kids (hot women) etc. unlike our resident meathead who has zero self awareness. Pretty nice how simple things go a long way

Was this before the contract holdout or after?

 

[TheDude]

The whole irony is that ESPN, per the link I provided, settled with the accuser of Chris Berman for sexual harassment. And they went on this long explanation about how it doesn't imply guilt, but that they don't want to deal with the expensive ligitation and yada, yada.. They say stuff like this while they attack Hardy and the settlement implying guilt and so on...

Then I got to hear Van Gundy open his mouth about Hardy, while he sits right next to Marv Albert, the women-biter and has sat next to him for years... Do they not see their hypocrisy?

Dude. You are on FIRE!

 

[Miller]

Peterson cut a deal to get back on the field as soon as possible. There was nothing noble about any of his actions. He didn't think he did anything wrong because it was the way he raised. He made his holdout about more money even though he was already making over 12m a year.

Nothing Hardy has done is worth even talking about if you take away the DV controversy. The sideline incident happens every game in every league. I saw Brian Kelly of Notre Dame grab and shove an assistant coach because he was jawing at the ref.

The Brady stuff is beyond meaningless. 'OMG he said Brady has a hot wife", a woman that takes naked pictures for a living.

Guns blazin' -he is now mocking your faux outrage.

Innocent until proven guilty is the foundation of out judicial system. What if it really was all on Nicole Holder? Ja'el Collins knows how troubling false information can be.

You are all over the place. Who cares about Petersons holdout. What does that have to do with being self aware and saying the right things?

Peterson did a horrible thing. If you read his quotes he talked about how he was brought up that way, how he thought that was normal punishment because he grew up doing fine. But after speaking to a psychologist he has realized there are other ways to punish a kid. He said he didn't mean to put his son through that.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...sota-vikings-apologizes-says-not-child-abuser

As far as the Brady wife thing. In the grand sceme of things it sounds innocent. Coming from a guy who never apologized, never gave any statements regarding getting a second chance...it sounds idiotic. Line he us clueless who his audience is. That's called being self aware. Even Garrett admitted it was dumb. If some of y'all don't see that in give context of what happened I'm not sure what to say.

Whether you think Peterson was sincere, etc it was still 10 x more than Hardy attempted. That's the rub. The guy never even acted like he cared. One simple pressed with any type of simple "I want to be better and move on" gains a whole lot of fans vs "his wife is hot." After being accused of beating women. It's perception

 

[khiladi]

How many illegitimate kids does AP have that he's not around with being a father? Did he apologize for that as well? Did he talk to his psychiatrist about how he was raised to have multiple kids with multiple different women that he couldn't be around as a father?

What your talking about is media PR as opposed to truly being sorry as some acceptable standard of behavior. We can go on an on about personal lives...

I have more respect for a person who maintains his innocence, because he actually is than a guy who says the right things, for PR.

That is why Garrett hasn't accomplished much. His PC may be 'brilliant', but it doesn't improve he Cowboys performance on the field...

 

[Nightman]

How many illegitimate kids does AP have that he's not around with being a father? Did he apologize for that as well? Did he talk to his psychiatrist about how he was raised to have multiple kids with multiple different women that he couldn't be around as a father?

What your talking about is media PR as opposed to truly being sorry as some acceptable standard of behavior. We can go on an on about personal lives.

I have more respect for a person who maintains his innocence, because he actually is than a guy who says the right things, for PR.

That is why Garrett hasn't accomplished much. His PC may be 'brilliant', but it doesn't improve he Cowboys performance on the field...

Everyone wants Hardy to be this subservient, docile, humble shell of a man.

Maybe if Garrett stood up for his players instead of scolding them like children because the media demands it he would have success. It's easy to coach when your QB is having an MVP year, your RB is setting all time records and your Defense is creating turnovers.

What is the saying "getting more from less"