Hardy maybe drawing some interest

[Clarkson]

this place never ceases to amaze me with the amount of people who think they know everything and totally get it, when they know nothing and don't understand hardly anything at all. it's like everyone is in the front office of a pro football team (or should be!).

yall are so silly. it's like you were in the locker room all year, when in reality you were polishing off a bag of doritos on game day.

 

[khiladi]

Didn't say it had to be a 5 year fully guaranteed contract but some guaranteed money is going to be involved. A lot of players sign 5 year deals with a lot of guaranteed money in free agency every year. Suh signed a 6 year deal with Miami last year with $60M guaranteed. Tyron Smith signed an 8 year extension with the Cowboys. Why would you be nervous about locking up Hardy who's only 27 for 5 years? lol

So now your going to sign DLaw to a contract equivalent to Suh or Tyron Smith?

I wasn't talking money being guaranteed, but length of contract. That guaranteed money is normally up front, because neither team nor player is looking that far down the road in reality.

And your whole argument is that you think Hardy may do something stupid in those five years as opposed to DLaw. And like I said, I wouldn't sign anybody that long in reality.

And I definitely wouldn't sign DLaw with the back surgery he's coming off of. If your talking three years guaranteed, definitely Hardy any day if the week. Especially with Romo coming back.

There were a lot more issues than Hardy before Garrett played PR over a tweet and told him not to show emotion. When you lose and Dez is blowing up in the lockerroom and Marinelli's schemes are a joke and the guy rarely blitzed and we had a revolving door at QB and those QBs couldn't even protect the ball despite our offense being conservative, because our passing schemes wre predictable there are a lot of other changes I'd make in Dallas before worrying about Hardy as the scapegoat..

 

[khiladi]

Take your head out of the ground I SAID he was a risk during the draft and the Pats were aware of it which is why Hernandez fell to the 4th round. They saw him as a good value in the 4th round and took the gamble. If anyone needs to learn the facts it's you try following my posts!

So it was about money right not character... Aqil Talib was signed after Aaron..

So it's all about money and value, right..

They get a second round pick for Jones and another body. He's no longer a top of the flight DE, in his FINAL YEAR and they'd only get a third round pick in 2018, while they get a second round 2016 pick.. Value now over a third-round whom they were looking to replace in the end anyways..

Just stop..

 

[egn22]

I cannot believe all the people that agree with this nonsense post.

You have no idea how he affected the locker room or what was going on. How do you figure it's Garrett's fault? Where's your evidence?

I don't need to provide you with evidence and you have the right to disagree. That's how this message board thing works.

If you're so fired up about people agreeing with me you should provide your own "evidence" to counter my statements and then maybe you can convince the masses that your way is better.
Have at it.

 

[DC Cowboy]

A good pass rusher in his prime has a total of 7 sacks over the past two seasons?

Really, check this out. While we all go back and forth on this, let's look at another troubled individual. Talib, he has faced assault charge with a weapon involved. Denver took a chance on him and it paid off, they also took a chance on Ware and it paid off. Sometimes you really have to weigh your options. we DO NOT have any pass rush, except for D-Law maybe. Sign the man to a 1 year deal with a club option for a 2nd. if he is late for a meeting fine him and if that doesn't work then cut him. But you have to try.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Hardy may be drawing attention but not from the NFL. Maybe Vince McMahon from the WWE....

 

[Nightman]

He wasn't convicted. Ravens only want convicts.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

this place never ceases to amaze me with the amount of people who think they know everything and totally get it, when they know nothing and don't understand hardly anything at all. it's like everyone is in the front office of a pro football team (or should be!).

yall are so silly. it's like you were in the locker room all year, when in reality you were polishing off a bag of doritos on game day.

It was Cheetos! Owned

 

[KJJ]

So now your going to sign DLaw to a contract equivalent to Suh or Tyron Smith?

I wasn't talking money being guaranteed, but length of contract. That guaranteed money is normally up front, because neither team nor player is looking that far down the road in reality.

And your whole argument is that you think Hardy may do something stupid in those five years as opposed to DLaw. And like I said, I wouldn't sign anybody that long in reality.

And I definitely wouldn't sign DLaw with the back surgery he's coming off of. If your talking three years guaranteed, definitely Hardy any day if the week. Especially with Romo coming back.

There were a lot more issues than Hardy before Garrett played PR over a tweet and told him not to show emotion. When you lose and Dez is blowing up in the lockerroom and Marinelli's schemes are a joke and the guy rarely blitzed and we had a revolving door at QB and those QBs couldn't even protect the ball despite our offense being conservative, because our passing schemes wre predictable there are a lot of other changes I'd make in Dallas before worrying about Hardy as the scapegoat..

Where did I say I would sign DLaw to a contract equivalent to Suh or Tyron? Your agenda is beyond ridiculous. Dude, this isn't reality I'm giving you a hypothetical to gage your trust/loyalty in Hardy. DLaw isn't going to cost you near the money that Hardy will. You're one of those who's still stuck in 2013 with Hardy and his 15 sacks. I'm not talking 3 years I'm talking 5 years and if you had to choose one player Hardy or DLaw for the next 5 years who would it be? I'm talking "length" of contract not an amount that's equivalent to Suh or Tyron so get real! If you could only have one over a 5 year period who do you trust? Do you trust the player who's antics last season drew more attention than their play on the field or the player we invested a second round pick on who came on last season to lead the team with 8 sacks?

You can continue to divert and twist my comments all you want but I'm not letting you up until you play along and start providing some answers. You started this a few days ago and walked right into a mine field and with every wrong step you make....BOOM!!! lol Romo is coming back but for how long? The Cowboys will only go as far as Romo takes them because they're dependent on him. Hardy's emotions lead to physical altercations he can't channel his emotions in a positive way which is why Garrett doesn't want him expressing his emotions. His emotions got him slapped with a domestic violence assault charge. When he gets emotional it creates a distraction because he has a reputation as a bad guy.

No one is making Hardy the scapegoat but he's part of what's wrong with this team he adds to the dysfunctionality. Charles Haley is the only player with issues Jerry ever signed who added something positive which led to a championship season. My whole argument is that Hardy is trouble and it will only take one more season of the antics we saw last year to get him cut. There were reports he was almost cut he isn't going to last another year much less 5 years. When one of his teammates who's still with the Cowboys is saying Hardy created tension in the locker room you can't bring a player like that back or you're asking for real trouble.

 

[KJJ]

So it was about money right not character... Aqil Talib was signed after Aaron..

So it's all about money and value, right..

They get a second round pick for Jones and another body. He's no longer a top of the flight DE, in his FINAL YEAR and they'd only get a third round pick in 2018, while they get a second round 2016 pick.. Value now over a third-round whom they were looking to replace in the end anyways..

Just stop..

Talib was traded to NE on Nov 1 2012 seven months before Hernandez was investigated for murder and released by the Pats. The Pats had already committed to Talib prior to the issues with Hernandez but once Talib became a free agent after the 2013 season the Pats were done with him. For Chandler Jones a proven young pass rusher who led the Pats with 12.5 sacks last season they got an average player and a roll of the dice in the 2nd round. You need to just stop and get your facts straight.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Hardy will forever be a person of interest.

 

[mickswag]

 

[pacy]

Welcome to the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[dagreat1_87]

I really think if he's still a free agent after the draft, then he'll be back here on a cheap deal

 

[Idgit]

Welcome to the Dallas Cowboys.

He'll probably get coverage in the local papers tonight just by saying that. Over and above what we get for the actual FA signings today.

 

[phildadon86]

And there it is

 

[Kaiser]

I really think if he's still a free agent after the draft, then he'll be back here on a cheap deal

If the Dallas plan was to let Hardy test the market and see he didn't have a big contract offer elsewhere - then give him a much smaller contract offer - it would look exactly what has happened so far.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Oh, you mean scheme has something to do with it? But you said his numbers had nothing to do with Wade?

Please pull one of my quotes where I said Wade had NOTHING to do with it. Just one

Spencer played in a 3-4 in the same position in Wade's defense in Dallas and racked up over 50 tackles in 2009, not including combined.. In his second year, playing 12 games, he still had more tackles than Ware did this year.

When Ware racks up 17 total tackles, of which 7.5 are sacks, meaning 10 solo tackles the whole regular season, that's your definition of production, justifying all that money? Count it 25, his numbers are basically right there with any average DE in Wade's scheme.

He was basically a passing rushing specialist that got contained and the second half of the SB, he returned to old form. He was decent against the Pats in the fourth quarter.

Spin it any way you want, counting the 7.5 sacks, Ware only had 10 tackles all of regular season.

And BTW, you can be sure Von Miller was getting double-teamed more as well, so there's that.

And Ware's best seasons in his prime which were basically with Wade, while posting over 15 sacks on average, his solo tackle numbers were in the 60s. So yeah, Von Miller in his prime in Wade's scheme is nowhere as good as Ware was as of yet.

To be honest, the personnel in Denver is so drastically different that what Wade had in Dallas, that any comparison is really just a bunch of empty words. He never had a 300lb+ NT in Dallas (I guess you can count Brent, but he was never the player Williams is). And he never had a DE combo as good as Wolfe/Jackson. Hatcher became a better player (at a much older age), but that didn't really happen until Wade left.

Ware was nothing special last year in terms of production. Any DE could basically post those numbers.

If by special, you mean elite, then no, he was not. However it's just dumb to say basically any DE could have done what Ware did, when he put up 10 sacks the previous year (without Wade fwiw). You can keep harping on tackles, when there's clearly more evidence pointing to tackles not being a huge indication of value for a 3-4 OLB in that defense (ie Miller had 10 more tackles...), but 7.5 sacks, in 11 games as well as 3.5 sacks in 3 post season games isn't nothing. If the people who know more about the scheme than you or I do felt that way, why would they even keep Ware on a reduced salary when they have last year's first round pick Shane Ray waiting in the wings? Since "Any DE could basically post those numbers" why keep Ware who still counts 8+ million against the cap (releasing him would only tie up roughly 3.6 million) when those resources could have been used else where?

 

[Galian Beast]

I still wouldn't rule out Bosa if Hardy is re-signed. Hardy may not even be re-signed until after the draft.

1 Hardy
2 Lawrence
3 Bosa
4 Mayowa
5 Gregory*

If we didn't have a pass rush after that, I'd fire every member of the staff including the ball boys.

Everyone on this list would have some serious question marks.

1. Can he stay out of trouble and be a team player? Do we re-sign him?
2. How is he recovering from his back? Do we resign him?
3. Rookie with limited speed, can he only play the strong side, is he worth the 4th overall pick?
4. Can his so-called upside turn into performance?
5. Can he stay out of trouble and develop as a pass rusher?