Hardy Suspension Reduced to 4 games *Merge*

[conner01]

The league only did this so Dallas has to pay Hardy more money than it would of. How's that?

There you go
Gotta stay with the conspiracies

 

[Kaiser]

But the ex-domestic violence attorney the NFL hired to do the investigation seems to believe Holder didn't do that to herself like Hardy's friend testified to in court. So they slammed him.

Not to quibble but the DV Attorney the NFL hired didn't reach that conclusion after doing an investigation. She was hired because the NFL knew she would regurgitate the conclusion they wanted - and told her ahead of time. The same is true of most expert witnesses in trials, the expert makes a lot of money by agreeing with what the client wants.

 

[AsthmaField]

I don't know how this works. So if he decides to appeal and the appeal loses, could he get 10 games again?

 

[Vintage]

Good. Now he can beat opposing QB's instead of women.

 

[Little Jr]

It's not what you know, it's what you can prove

Not what you said. You said if they can't bring charges you are innocent. That's not true.

 

[AsthmaField]

Not to quibble but the DV Attorney the NFL hired didn't reach that conclusion after doing an investigation. She was hired because the NFL knew she would regurgitate the conclusion they wanted - and told her ahead of time. The same is true of most expert witnesses in trials, the expert makes a lot of money by agreeing with what the client wants.

I agree with that.

But how did you quote my post and then have it say xwalker wrote it instead of me?

Something fishy Kaiser. Something fishy going on here and I don't like it one bit.

 

[Satchel89]

It wasn't sickening when the NFL punished players for decades in the old manner, yet apparently an ALLEGED, I REPEAT ALLEGED and just for you I'll repeat it again ALLEGED domestic violence offender in Hardy wanting what was collectively bargained is sickening? You have absolutely ZERO inside knowledge of what occurred that night, and you sure as hell don't know enough to be certain one way or another. Damn sure not enough to say how "lucky" he is or or how "sickening" it is. What exactly was the point of saying "theres two sides to every story" if you're just going to turn around and impose your own verdict without all the facts?

Being guilty in the public eye means jack, and this collective group think junk that's going on in this country right now is whats truly sickening.

You have ZERO knowledge yourself. I do know that he did something and I can sure as hell say lucky and sickening. I have my opinion and you have yours.

 

[Nightman]

I'm sure they're saying 2 games for the guns and 2 games for the DV = 4 games.

With the 10 games, the NFL was saying he put his hands on her 4 times (2 games each = 8), and had the guns (2 more games) to make 10.

On appeal, they said they shouldn't count him putting his hands on her as 4 separate incidents, and that it should be seen as 1 incident. So that would be 2 games. Then, 2 more for the guns = 4

That is my guess anyway.

The NFL played this one very well. The way you described it is hard to beat in court.

They will say the pictures proved he did 'something' = 2 games
Add the the guns and that could be covered by the more general Personal Conduct Policy, even though it was also included in the new DV Policy= 2games

Not saying he shouldn't appeal but they made it harder.
The fact there is already the Peterson appeal and Contempt of Court charge could help Hardy and the NFLPA.

I would work towards a compromise. Either reduce it to 2 games or make last years games missed count as time served and just take the 4 game checks(3m). Carolina is the team that should get some salary back, not Dallas.

This would save a lot of lawyer fees and keep the NFL out of Doty's courtroom again and hopefully end this ugly chapter for the NFL.

 

[Nightman]

Not what you said. You said if they can't bring charges you are innocent. That's not true.

As far as the courts are concerned, if they don't bring charges you are innocent.

Innocent until proven guilty is one of the biggies.

 

[Joe Realist]

he should take the 4.

 

[AsthmaField]

No your not. I'm guilty of a lot of things in my younger years that people are serving time for. I just didn't get caught. I've had charges dropped against me for something I did but not enough evidence to go forward.

On the other hand, I was accused of doing something that I was completely innocent of when I was a teenager, and I went round and round with the police and the courts. Finally, a couple of witnesses came forward that said that I didn't do it and they named the guy who was indeed guilty of kicking the guy.

I promise you, if they wouldn't have come forward, I was 100% going to get convicted of assault.

It wasn't a good feeling at all to have the police and people in the community thinking you're guilty of something when you're not.

Some people think they know what happened that night between Ms Holder and Hardy, when the truth is, they don't know anything.

Holder could absolutely have had the bruising on her hands from beating on walls, doors, and Greg Hardy, just like Hardy said.

She could absolutely have the bruise on her elbow from driving it back in to Hardy's friends face, just like the defense said.

The other assorted bruises could very well have been self-inflicted by Holder acting like a fool while strung out on cocaine.

I know that bruising and scratches could have gotten there just from struggling with Hardy even if she is the one who is actually being the aggressor and he is trying to get her off him.

Hell, I have been just playing around wrestling with my wife and she end up with 3 or 4 bruises here or there. Many women bruise very easily.

The point is, we just don't know what happened and there is no evidence to prove if what is in the photographs was self-inflicted or not.

Just because you got away with something in your youth, it has no bearing on what happened with Hardy. Of course some people get off who are guilty, just like some people get convicted and they're innocent. I almost got in big time trouble when I had done nothing wrong. That doesn't mean that Hardy is innocent either, but it certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility that the judge in Hardy's bench trial made a wrong decision, nor is it impossible that the NFL came to the wrong conclusion based on a few pictures of holder with some bruises.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

The NFL played this one very well. The way you described it is hard to beat in court.

They will say the pictures proved he did 'something' = 2 games
Add the the guns and that could be covered by the more general Personal Conduct Policy, even though it was also included in the new DV Policy= 2games

Not saying he shouldn't appeal but they made it harder.
The fact there is already the Peterson appeal and Contempt of Court charge could help Hardy and the NFLPA.

I would work towards a compromise. Either reduce it to 2 games or make last years games missed count as time served and just take the 4 game checks(3m). Carolina is the team that should get some salary back, not Dallas.

This would save a lot of lawyer fees and keep the NFL out of Doty's courtroom again and hopefully end this ugly chapter for the NFL.

Not really, if the guns weren't legally owned, we would have heard about it. And to my knowledge, Holder never claimed he brandished the guns, so all in all it is one incident and should be treated that way.

And fwiw, the NFL would get killed if they negotiated him giving back 4 game checks, and missing no games this year. If I'm them, I make a judge order me to do that, which I doubt will happen.

 

[jwitten82]

You have ZERO knowledge yourself. I do know that he did something and I can sure as hell say lucky and sickening. I have my opinion and you have yours.

You know he did something? Lol were you there?

 

[Satchel89]

Well he was originally found guilty by a judge but It doesn't matter. He's on the Cowboys for this year and he's going to play 12 games and he makes them a better team

 

[dallasdave]

Give Goodell the chair !!!

 

[dallasdave]

This is what pisses me off about the NFL. In legal terms, you are innocent until proven guilty, but with Goodell and his cronies, you are guilty even after proven innocent or the charges are dismissed.

Goodell should be fired.

 

[chris1995]

Like I said, he is a veteran and know the game. From all accounts from what I hear, he is a hard working dude and brings the heat even in practice.

That attitude will be good for the defense.

 

[chris1995]

I'm not talking about money....I'm talking about contributing to the team, which he will.

A few teams are going to really worry when he hits the field.

The QB's on the other teams will be worried !!

 

[chris1995]

You know, this is a good post and I never even thought about that. Now that the Cowboys know what they can afford with Hardy, maybe now they can work out a deal with Dez?

Yeah, the DEZ deal will would seal the deal.

 

[Kaiser]

But how did you quote my post and then have it say xwalker wrote it instead of me?