Harry Potter 7 (spoilers inside)

[BrAinPaiNt]

the last 100 pages blow. Except knowing snape is good, so i could tell my friends that i was right and they were wrong. Harrys fight with voldemort=let down. I wish harry had casted one of the 3 unforgiveables, and come on harry being the last horrocrux... man i was into it when i read it but let down when i thought back.

If you think about it...it had to be the spell he used vs the unforgivable curses.

I believe it was in order of the Phoenix when they are starting the Dumbledors Army classes.

He said the first spell they would learn is the one he used. Some of the students were let down until he says he beat Voldemort with that very spell.

The series is full of foreshadowing and that was just another example of it.

Furthermore he knew that the wand would fire back the spell that voldemort would use against voldemort so there was no difference in what spell harry would use. It would be the spell that voldemort would use that would hit voldemort because the wand was not truly voldemorts it was harrys.

Another example is Harry being the Horcrux. I actually figured that one out in the last book. ALL through the series dumbledore let's harry know that lord voldemort transferred some of himself to harry so really it should have been no shock once you learned of the horcruxes in the Half Blood Prince book.

 

[locked&loaded]

If you think about it...it had to be the spell he used vs the unforgivable curses.

I believe it was in order of the Phoenix when they are starting the Dumbledors Army classes.

He said the first spell they would learn is the one he used. Some of the students were let down until he says he beat Voldemort with that very spell.

The series is full of foreshadowing and that was just another example of it.

Furthermore he knew that the wand would fire back the spell that voldemort would use against voldemort so there was no difference in what spell harry would use. It would be the spell that voldemort would use that would hit voldemort because the wand was not truly voldemorts it was harrys.

Another example is Harry being the Horcrux. I actually figured that one out in the last book. ALL through the series dumbledore let's harry know that lord voldemort transferred some of himself to harry so really it should have been no shock once you learned of the horcruxes in the Half Blood Prince book.

How did he master death? When he "died" it was voldemorts part of his soul that got hit, thats why voldemort fell down, am i right. I didnt like that part, also neville longbottom got brave oh so fast, ha o well. IF you guessed harry was a horrocrux more power to you, another gripe i had was you coudlnt guess what the horrocrux was, i personaly like books where you can form educated guesses this one hardly lets you do that. The only thing i can gloat about is, i told all my freinds snape was good and they said no, and i was dumb etc. I also think malfoy should of had a bigger part, when they were in their house the family asked if they were harry, hermoinee etc he went he wasnt sure.. their could of been more to it. i originaly thought malfoy sent doby.. that would of been cool. and whos idea was it to pull aberforth out of nowher, unless i forgot he wasnt mentioned before, and he worked that close to the school all that time... Also Ron must of hit puberty really fast or just turned straight, he was all over hermoinee. And i felt bad that hedgwig died, harry was just casting stunning spells, i would of been casting the 3 unforgiveables but i guess his heart was to pure. Also i wish harry had found out about snape differently, something with him protecting harry. INDEED I DO HAVE TONS OF LITTLE GRIPES ABOUT THIS BOOK, BUT WHEN I WAS READING IT I WAS VERY INTO IT, i just am negative i suppose. and their is supposed to be another book if no one is aware, shes calling it more of an encyclopedia


ps-to someone said about the dark tower series, i have read about 4 of the books i might continue someday, they seem... boreing.

 

[Crown Royal]

How did he master death? When he "died" it was voldemorts part of his soul that got hit, thats why voldemort fell down, am i right. I didnt like that part,

He mastered death because he no longer feared it - he understood it was something he had to do, unlike Voldemort, whose entire work was centered around not dieing.

also neville longbottom got brave oh so fast, ha o well.

What are you talking about? Neville's progression as a character has been happening since book one, when he tried to stop the other three leaving, in book 4 his aptitude for herbology increased his confidence, in book 5 he was integral at the battle of the ministry, in book 6, he helped stave off Death Eaters in Hogwarts. He has been one of the most intriguing characters in the series.

IF you guessed harry was a horrocrux more power to you, another gripe i had was you coudlnt guess what the horrocrux was, i personaly like books where you can form educated guesses this one hardly lets you do that. The only thing i can gloat about is, i told all my freinds snape was good and they said no, and i was dumb etc.

This was a mystery novel, but not one with a surprise ending where you had all the clues but never thought to put them together. It was just a story. I like the ones you talk about too, but it just wasn't that kind of story.

I also think malfoy should of had a bigger part, when they were in their house the family asked if they were harry, hermoinee etc he went he wasnt sure.. their could of been more to it. i originaly thought malfoy sent doby.. that would of been cool.

Malfoy has had a huge role. He came out good in the end. His wand was the elder wand.

and whos idea was it to pull aberforth out of nowher, unless i forgot he wasnt mentioned before, and he worked that close to the school all that time...

Aberforth has been around since at least book 5, when the first order of the phoenix meeting took place in his bar, that smelled 'of goats.' He was at dumbledore's funeral, too.

Also Ron must of hit puberty really fast or just turned straight, he was all over hermoinee.

...Ron has been trying to hit that since book 4.

And i felt bad that hedgwig died, harry was just casting stunning spells, i would of been casting the 3 unforgiveables but i guess his heart was to pure. Also i wish harry had found out about snape differently, something with him protecting harry.

He was trying to seek Harry out to protect him. Didn't you notice that as soon as he saw that Voldemort was incredibly interested in protecting the snake, that he kept pleading to find the boy?

INDEED I DO HAVE TONS OF LITTLE GRIPES ABOUT THIS BOOK, BUT WHEN I WAS READING IT I WAS VERY INTO IT, i just am negative i suppose. and their is supposed to be another book if no one is aware, shes calling it more of an encyclopedia

She is going to compile all her notes that never made it into the book and write an encyclopedia of the HP world.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

He mastered death because he no longer feared it - he understood it was something he had to do, unlike Voldemort, whose entire work was centered around not dieing.

One other thing of note here.

Dumbledore on a few occasions mentioned that there are worse things than death. Something that voldemort never understood.

 

[Mavs Man]

How did he master death? When he "died" it was voldemorts part of his soul that got hit, thats why voldemort fell down, am i right. I didnt like that part, also neville longbottom got brave oh so fast, ha o well. IF you guessed harry was a horrocrux more power to you, another gripe i had was you coudlnt guess what the horrocrux was, i personaly like books where you can form educated guesses this one hardly lets you do that. The only thing i can gloat about is, i told all my freinds snape was good and they said no, and i was dumb etc. I also think malfoy should of had a bigger part, when they were in their house the family asked if they were harry, hermoinee etc he went he wasnt sure.. their could of been more to it. i originaly thought malfoy sent doby.. that would of been cool. and whos idea was it to pull aberforth out of nowher, unless i forgot he wasnt mentioned before, and he worked that close to the school all that time... Also Ron must of hit puberty really fast or just turned straight, he was all over hermoinee. And i felt bad that hedgwig died, harry was just casting stunning spells, i would of been casting the 3 unforgiveables but i guess his heart was to pure. Also i wish harry had found out about snape differently, something with him protecting harry. INDEED I DO HAVE TONS OF LITTLE GRIPES ABOUT THIS BOOK, BUT WHEN I WAS READING IT I WAS VERY INTO IT, i just am negative i suppose. and their is supposed to be another book if no one is aware, shes calling it more of an encyclopedia


ps-to someone said about the dark tower series, i have read about 4 of the books i might continue someday, they seem... boreing.

Harry "mastered death" because he was the true possessor of all three Deathly Hallows, making him literally "master of death". He owned the Cloak, was given the stone, and by defeating Malfoy and acquiring his wand became the true owner of the Elder Wand. Voldemort killed Harry as well as the portion of his soul that was in Harry. The writhing creature in King's Cross was Voldemort's split soul. But as Harry was master of death he had a choice to return or to stay dead.

If you're just now noticing the Hermoine-Ron relationship and Neville turning into a hero then I question just how many of these books you've read.

As for the Dark Tower series, I commend you for plowing through four entire books and nearly two thousand pages that were boring. If I'm bored reading a book I don't pick up the next one in the series, let alone finish the one I'm reading.

 

[locked&loaded]

He mastered death because he no longer feared it - he understood it was something he had to do, unlike Voldemort, whose entire work was centered around not dieing.


What are you talking about? Neville's progression as a character has been happening since book one, when he tried to stop the other three leaving, in book 4 his aptitude for herbology increased his confidence, in book 5 he was integral at the battle of the ministry, in book 6, he helped stave off Death Eaters in Hogwarts. He has been one of the most intriguing characters in the series.

I guess you can consider that mastering death, he just did what he had to do. And i was more responding do the fact that i didnt like that the last horrocrux was harry, and he had that talk with voldemort. i didnt like it at all.

I guess neville had been progressing rather smoothly now that i think about it, but i thought this was a rather large jump. I didnt find him all that intriguing thouhg.




This was a mystery novel, but not one with a surprise ending where you had all the clues but never thought to put them together. It was just a story. I like the ones you talk about too, but it just wasn't that kind of story.

I suppose, i guess it fell into place. somewhat.


Malfoy has had a huge role. He came out good in the end. His wand was the elder wand.

he didnt come out good, he was just the one that touched the wand. REmember him crab and goyle almost killed them, given it was mostly the other two but malfoy didnt seem to come out good.


Aberforth has been around since at least book 5, when the first order of the phoenix meeting took place in his bar, that smelled 'of goats.' He was at dumbledore's funeral, too.

I dont recall, but i read them a while ago an many books inbetween, no fear though i beleive you.


...Ron has been trying to hit that since book 4.

Not like in this book, his attraction toward hermoinee in this book was 20times what it was in any other book.


He was trying to seek Harry out to protect him. Didn't you notice that as soon as he saw that Voldemort was incredibly interested in protecting the snake, that he kept pleading to find the boy?

maybe you read what i wrote wrong or i wrote it wrong. I just said i wish harry had found out some other way, if he hadnt went below the weeping willow and came after snape when he was dieing he woudl of never known snape was good, i didnt like how that fell into place.




She is going to compile all her notes that never made it into the book and write an encyclopedia of the HP world.

ya i heard about that, sounds... i doubt ill buy it, i dont know how to do what you did with the quotes so all my responses are in bold. ha.

 

[locked&loaded]

Harry "mastered death" because he was the true possessor of all three Deathly Hallows, making him literally "master of death". He owned the Cloak, was given the stone, and by defeating Malfoy and acquiring his wand became the true owner of the Elder Wand. Voldemort killed Harry as well as the portion of his soul that was in Harry. The writhing creature in King's Cross was Voldemort's split soul. But as Harry was master of death he had a choice to return or to stay dead.

If you're just now noticing the Hermoine-Ron relationship and Neville turning into a hero then I question just how many of these books you've read.

As for the Dark Tower series, I commend you for plowing through four entire books and nearly two thousand pages that were boring. If I'm bored reading a book I don't pick up the next one in the series, let alone finish the one I'm reading.

I like reading and give books a chance. if your a fast reader 2000 pages isnt all that much. its not like i read them non stop one after the other, i read all the harry potter books so there is no need to question that. I am not the biggest harry potter fan that is for sure, i find the books overated for fantasy books, whihc i tend to read more than any other genre. I guess the good vs evil won everyone over, and that is why it got so big. As i said earlier ron showed interest but nothing like this, neville wasnt a hero he just looked up to harry and admired him, or atleast that is how i looked at the book, he tried to follow in his foot steps. He dropped teh stone before he died, was he still the master of death even without the stone?

 

[Mavs Man]

I like reading and give books a chance. if your a fast reader 2000 pages isnt all that much. its not like i read them non stop one after the other, i read all the harry potter books so there is no need to question that. I am not the biggest harry potter fan that is for sure, i find the books overated for fantasy books, whihc i tend to read more than any other genre. I guess the good vs evil won everyone over, and that is why it got so big. As i said earlier ron showed interest but nothing like this, neville wasnt a hero he just looked up to harry and admired him, or atleast that is how i looked at the book, he tried to follow in his foot steps. He dropped teh stone before he died, was he still the master of death even without the stone?

Why everyone likes it is the great story Rowling has told. The amount of planning and detail in the plot over the course of seven books is incredibly well done.

The Ron-Hermione storyline was subtle but pretty obvious beginning with Ron's and Hermione's actions at the ball in Goblet of Fire. Lots of foreshadowing from that point led to the final payoff at the end of this one.

Neville has been gradually gaining confidence in every book.

Like the Elder Wand, until someone else picks up the stone Harry remains its owner. I seriously doubt anyone walked outside the camp and found the stone right after Harry Potter had magically appeared in the midst of their camp. All eyes were on him and Voldemort.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I like reading and give books a chance. if your a fast reader 2000 pages isnt all that much. its not like i read them non stop one after the other, i read all the harry potter books so there is no need to question that. I am not the biggest harry potter fan that is for sure, i find the books overated for fantasy books, whihc i tend to read more than any other genre. I guess the good vs evil won everyone over, and that is why it got so big. As i said earlier ron showed interest but nothing like this, neville wasnt a hero he just looked up to harry and admired him, or atleast that is how i looked at the book, he tried to follow in his foot steps. He dropped teh stone before he died, was he still the master of death even without the stone?

Ron and Herm liked each other and it was quite clear in the goblet of fire...if you actually paid attention.

Neville provided a gradual progression from start to finish and one must not diminish the idea that with a slight change he would have been the boy the prophecy spoke of instead of harry. He fit the same criteria that the prophecy spoke of but voldemort chose harry instead which cemented the prophecy.

Dropping the stone cemented him as the master of death. You should really read the last few chapters...it even says that it was the essential part of mastering death.

You can read a book, but not really get it all. I would say that is what has happened in your case.

Each book has MANY clues to how the rest of the series is going to go. It is full of foreshadowing from start to finish. I could see you missing out on that if you never went back after reading the series initially to find those clues and foreshadowing but it is hard to miss out on things in the last book when they flat out tell you the meaning towards the end.

Not being rude there but it does indeed tell you why dropping the stone truly made him the master of death. To master death he had to be willing to face death. In dropping the stone it protected him from the dementors guarding the way and it proved he was willing to meet his death without fearing it. He did not even fight voldemort at that time. He accepted death and mastered it. The others that had the stone in the past wanted the stone to keep from dying, voldemort did everything in his powers to cheat death (the multiple horcruxes) and dumbledore no many occasions said there were worst things than death.

 

[locked&loaded]

Ron and Herm liked each other and it was quite clear in the goblet of fire...if you actually paid attention.

Neville provided a gradual progression from start to finish and one must not diminish the idea that with a slight change he would have been the boy the prophecy spoke of instead of harry. He fit the same criteria that the prophecy spoke of but voldemort chose harry instead which cemented the prophecy.

Dropping the stone cemented him as the master of death. You should really read the last few chapters...it even says that it was the essential part of mastering death.

You can read a book, but not really get it all. I would say that is what has happened in your case.

Each book has MANY clues to how the rest of the series is going to go. It is full of foreshadowing from start to finish. I could see you missing out on that if you never went back after reading the series initially to find those clues and foreshadowing but it is hard to miss out on things in the last book when they flat out tell you the meaning towards the end.

Not being rude there but it does indeed tell you why dropping the stone truly made him the master of death. To master death he had to be willing to face death. In dropping the stone it protected him from the dementors guarding the way and it proved he was willing to meet his death without fearing it. He did not even fight voldemort at that time. He accepted death and mastered it. The others that had the stone in the past wanted the stone to keep from dying, voldemort did everything in his powers to cheat death (the multiple horcruxes) and dumbledore no many occasions said there were worst things than death.

maybe i read it wrong, it was 3 in the morning when i finished but i only remember the disscussion of the wand and the rules of its possesion. I remember him dropping the rock and his parents dissapearing. These books are for 12 year olds, i read the book and did understand it. Some parts may be over looked but i think you take from it what you want to. I relate it to other things and dont find harry to be the master of death, and found the talk with dumbledoor dumb. If you didnt im glad you enjoyed that part of the book. And like i said earlier i guess i missed the part about them saying he dropped the rock but still mastered it. AT the last 100 pages i was just shaking my head feeling let down.

 

[Mavs Man]

maybe i read it wrong, it was 3 in the morning when i finished but i only remember the disscussion of the wand and the rules of its possesion. I remember him dropping the rock and his parents dissapearing. These books are for 12 year olds, i read the book and did understand it. Some parts may be over looked but i think you take from it what you want to. I relate it to other things and dont find harry to be the master of death, and found the talk with dumbledoor dumb. If you didnt im glad you enjoyed that part of the book. And like i said earlier i guess i missed the part about them saying he dropped the rock but still mastered it. AT the last 100 pages i was just shaking my head feeling let down.

I completely disagree. If you truly understand it, then why do you have so many questions about it? Everything was spelled out pretty plainly. I really don't know what else to say to help you understand this book and the series as a whole.

For someone who claims to understand a book written "for 12 year olds", it seems that you sure missed a lot.

 

[Kevinicus]

Finished it Monday Night. Great read. Only part I didn't like much was the epilogue. It seemed to have a little too much cheese to me. Things were just too perfect. I think a little more emphasis on the losses suffered and sacrafices made would have been more appropriate.

A lot of people's theories after the last one seemed to be correct...in part at least.

I think the best book in the series, and I think the movie would have to push the 3 hour mark at least. I don't see a lot of material that could be cut out really. Either way it will be better than the worst part of the series, the Order of the Phoenix which wasted so much with that stupid useless prophecy.

 

[Mavs Man]

Finished it Monday Night. Great read. Only part I didn't like much was the epilogue. It seemed to have a little too much cheese to me. Things were just too perfect. I think a little more emphasis on the losses suffered and sacrafices made would have been more appropriate.

A lot of people's theories after the last one seemed to be correct...in part at least.

I think the best book in the series, and I think the movie would have to push the 3 hour mark at least. I don't see a lot of material that could be cut out really. Either way it will be better than the worst part of the series, the Order of the Phoenix which wasted so much with that stupid useless prophecy.

I gave up on truly enjoying the movie series when they took a hacksaw to the stories of Books Two and especially Three. These movies need to be three hours long. Didn't hurt the LotR series. They could probably have made even more money if they had stretched them out over two movies each, ala Kill Bill. I think there's enough fans out there who would pay for two tickets.

I thought the prophecy in Book Five was a huge let down. Maybe because it was hyped so much, but to end with the shocking revelation that either Voldemort and Harry Potter will have to die in the end? Really? What a surprise!

It's saving grace was that the prophecy's existence was what caused Voldemort to target Harry and his parents, and the nugget of info that it could have been Neville instead of Harry.

 

[Kevinicus]

I gave up on truly enjoying the movie series when they took a hacksaw to the stories of Books Two and especially Three. These movies need to be three hours long. Didn't hurt the LotR series. They could probably have made even more money if they had stretched them out over two movies each, ala Kill Bill. I think there's enough fans out there who would pay for two tickets.

I thought the prophecy in Book Five was a huge let down. Maybe because it was hyped so much, but to end with the shocking revelation that either Voldemort and Harry Potter will have to die in the end? Really? What a surprise!

It's saving grace was that the prophecy's existence was what caused Voldemort to target Harry and his parents, and the nugget of info that it could have been Neville instead of Harry.

Yes, but it's not much of a saving grace. It's something that could have just been mentioned. It's something very stupid for everyone to be fighting over and dying for. Sirius died for nothing, woohoo. And the Neville bit really isn't that great either. It's not even gone into much really. There is no questioning about if it is him or not, it's thrown out there, but then dismissed. It's kind of an oh by the way, it COULD have been Neville but it wasn't, yay for you Harry! Cheerio. Really, it wouldn't have been any worse for Phoenix to end with something as lame as Voldemort telling Harry he was his father.

 

[Faerluna]

It seems that many of you are forgetting that these books are for young adults. While the writing is wonderful, it's not meant to be more than an entertaining story.

If you are frustrated by the simplicity of the events in the storyline, or how useless/obvious things were, maybe you should look to literature that is written for adults so you can truly enjoy the experience.

 

[Mavs Man]

Yes, but it's not much of a saving grace. It's something that could have just been mentioned. It's something very stupid for everyone to be fighting over and dying for. Sirius died for nothing, woohoo. And the Neville bit really isn't that great either. It's not even gone into much really. There is no questioning about if it is him or not, it's thrown out there, but then dismissed. It's kind of an oh by the way, it COULD have been Neville but it wasn't, yay for you Harry! Cheerio. Really, it wouldn't have been any worse for Phoenix to end with something as lame as Voldemort telling Harry he was his father.

Actually, the biggest question I had with that book was Sirius's mirror that Harry completely forgot about. If he had remembered to use it, there would have been no need to use Umbridge's fireplace for the floo network, no need to go to the Ministry, no need for Sirius to die, as he could have just looked into the mirror and spoken with Sirius immediately - crisis over.

I was very surprised that Harry didn't think of this later, with regret. I know I would have.

 

[Mavs Man]

It seems that many of you are forgetting that these books are for young adults. While the writing is wonderful, it's not meant to be more than an entertaining story.

If you are frustrated by the simplicity of the events in the storyline, or how useless/obvious things were, maybe you should look to literature that is written for adults so you can truly enjoy the experience.

I suppose you're right. Novels written for a more adult audience are always free from cardboard characters, confusing plot/storylines, "deus ex machina" endings, contradictory character traits, endings with no closure, or endings that are too simplistic or "happy", and they are never boring.

 

[GlitzCowboy]

10 hours a day reading books...10 hours a day on this website (checks to make sure I'm still at cowboyzone.com)...where do you guys get time for sleep?

Wait, how old is everyone on this site? We're talking a childrens book here and I seriously thought this was a site with mature people on it- ie. adults. Which answers alot of serious questions about this site in general if infact many are just teenagers.

I should bring my 5 year old neice in here. She likes Dora. Yall would probably get along good.

Just crazy (which I'm calling bullcrud) you are all adults and you're reading the children's book Harry Potter! I can't even bring myself to sit through an entire movie of this crap, let alone sit down and waste my life reading something a 12 year old should only be reading. I hear the Little Engine That Could is a good read. Maybe yall should check out Little Red Riding Hood, too. Cars. Shrek. My Little Pony. Strawberry Shortcake. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The Apple Dumpling Gang.

Lmao.

 

[Faerluna]

I suppose you're right. Novels written for a more adult audience are always free from cardboard characters, confusing plot/storylines, "deus ex machina" endings, contradictory character traits, endings with no closure, or endings that are too simplistic or "happy", and they are never boring.

I didn't think the books were as disappointing as you did, but I also didn't spend an extrordinary amount of time focusing on ways that the book and/or characters disappointed me.

To address your laundry list of irritation, with my own opinions:

- I found the characters rich and vibrant.

- The storylines were easy to follow.

- The ending scenario was acceptable, as the setting is the "wizarding world" (unless you have some sort of knowledge of a world of this nature and have the parameters of the possible and impossible set in stone?)

- The characters were human (and humans do uncharacteristic and unpredictable things.)

-The ending had plenty of closure. It's unfortunate that you feel that happy endings are boring. This is Harry Potter, not Die Hard.

 

[Mavs Man]

I didn't think the books were as disappointing as you did, but I also didn't spend an extrordinary amount of time focusing on ways that the book and/or characters disappointed me.

To address your laundry list of irritation, with my own opinions:

- I found the characters rich and vibrant.

- The storylines were easy to follow.

- The ending scenario was acceptable, as the setting is the "wizarding world" (unless you have some sort of knowledge of a world of this nature and have the parameters of the possible and impossible set in stone?)

- The characters were human (and humans do uncharacteristic and unpredictable things.)

-The ending had plenty of closure. It's unfortunate that you feel that happy endings are boring. This is Harry Potter, not Die Hard.

I was being sarcastic.

I think you have my views confused with someone else (and/or I did a very poor job with my last post). I loved reading these books. My only criticism expressed in this whole thread was with how Book Five turned out.

I took your previous comment out of context it appears, which at the time came across to me as a subtle backhanded comment to adults who enjoyed the book. A sort of "these books are very simplistic and obvious, we shouldn't critique these books at all because they are kiddie books, if you have a problem read adult fiction that's more your age." None of which I agree with.

The story/plot Rowling created is one of the best and most creative I've come across, especially in a seven book series. The characters are funny, sympathetic and insightful. It's a fun read.

I've read my fair share of adult fiction, and on average they suffer from many more flaws than this series did. A lot of "mature" adult fiction is more cartoony/simplistic than these dare to be.

That is what my sarcastic comment was supposed to mean, that adult fiction is just as bad or worse than any critiques we can throw at this book - NOT a list of problems I had with the Harry Potter series.

If I took what you said out of context, I apologize, but that's how it seemed to read.