Has anyone asked JJ or Red?

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There was one guy last year that asked Jerry about his failure as GM. It made Jerry squirm. Can't he step up again ? The fact that Jerry can say that with a straight face....basically we've wasted 3 years training...just just be drilled at him constantly.
 

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The New York media would eat Jerry and his trainee for breakfast.....................half of the Dallas media is buddies with Garrett, so almost nobody every says anything negative about him.

Norm (The Fan) and Gossling (DMN) are the only two local sports guys that question the Cowboys on air and in print but they never ask questions during the press conferences. I guess everyone is afraid of the specters of Jimmy and Bill.
 

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They asked Garrett about the training statement at his Monday presser following the season.

He responded that we all 'try to get better' etc.. it was lame and frankly embarrassing.

I cannot imagine how any man would allow himself to be so emasculated so repeatedly. I can only shake my head.

Whats he made about 15 to 20 million from the Jones family? Has he got a gambling problem, drugs, mistresses.. what?
 

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There was one guy last year that asked Jerry about his failure as GM. It made Jerry squirm. Can't he step up again ? The fact that Jerry can say that with a straight face....basically we've wasted 3 years training...just just be drilled at him constantly.

I think that was McMahon and It was great.
 

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There was one guy last year that asked Jerry about his failure as GM. It made Jerry squirm. Can't he step up again ? The fact that Jerry can say that with a straight face....basically we've wasted 3 years training...just just be drilled at him constantly.

I remember that, Jerry was starting to say his "how'd you like them 3 superbowls" lines and he interrupted him and asked him about the 1 playoff win since. It was great to see him uncomfortable.
 

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Oh Its meaningful, suppose the 49ers owner had said that about Jim Harbaugh how would he be viewed by his players. This aint tha Jaguars and nor should it be treated as such.

It's really not. It's something that goes without saying for any first time coach. In this case, it was said. Big deal. If you'll notice, it's only the people who don't like Jason Garrett in the first place who had anything to say about it, and only then because they're looking for anything to possibly be critical about.

Garrett's much to sophisticated to let himself get bogged down by the Dallas media over something this easy to drive around. As I said, he wouldn't even miss a beat dismissing that question if someone were stupid enough to ask it.
 

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It's really not. It's something that goes without saying for any first time coach. In this case, it was said. Big deal. If you'll notice, it's only the people who don't like Jason Garrett in the first place who had anything to say about it, and only then because they're looking for anything to possibly be critical about.

Garrett's much to sophisticated to let himself get bogged down by the Dallas media over something this easy to drive around. As I said, he wouldn't even miss a beat dismissing that question if someone were stupid enough to ask it.

I'm critical of Jason and I have right to be because I didn't want him hired in the first place. Back then I didn't want him hired because:

He had little experience coaching and that's on any level pro, college, high school, or Pop Warner, someone like that should not be coaching the Dallas Cowboys.

He'd shown nothing as an oc after his breakout season of 2007 (after teams got tape on him).

If he wasn't from Prinçeton he wouldn't be thought of in such high esteem. He maybe Princeton smart but his offense lack creativity that I see other teams employ (where are our pick plays that are so prevelant in the NFL) sometimes he's just football dumb.

Jerry wanted Garrett to be his Sean Payton, you know smart, young offensive genius but he's no where close to SP. SP coached for 18 years under various coaches before landing his first hc position, Garrett coached for 4 years before landing his first hc job. Just because a guy is 6-6 and plays basketball doesn't make him Jordan.

Since Garrett's been hired:

See above.

I'm posting this because you act like being critical of Garrett is unwarranted, which imo is just untrue. He should not today or ever been the coach of this team.
 

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I'm critical of Jason and I have right to be because I didn't want him hired in the first place. Back then I didn't want him hired because:

He had little experience coaching and that's on any level pro, college, high school, or Pop Warner, someone like that should not be coaching the Dallas Cowboys.

He'd shown nothing as an oc after his breakout season of 2007 (after teams got tape on him).

If he wasn't from Prinçeton he wouldn't be thought of in such high esteem. He maybe Princeton smart but his offense lack creativity that I see other teams employ (where are our pick plays that are so prevelant in the NFL) sometimes he's just football dumb.

Jerry wanted Garrett to be his Sean Payton, you know smart, young offensive genius but he's no where close to SP. SP coached for 18 years under various coaches before landing his first hc position, Garrett coached for 4 years before landing his first hc job. Just because a guy is 6-6 and plays basketball doesn't make him Jordan.

Since Garrett's been hired:

See above.

I'm posting this because you act like being critical of Garrett is unwarranted, which imo is just untrue. He should not today or ever been the coach of this team.

You're obviously entitled to your own opinion. For the record, though, I've *never* suggested criticism of Jason Garrett is unwarranted. I'm probably his biggest public supporter here on the site, and I'm openly critical of him in a number of regards. I just happen to think the suggestion that a 'training' question from the Dallas media would throw Jason off his game is silly. He's way too good at handling the local media for that, and there's an obvious built-in answer to that question that everybody would accept at face value, anyway.
 

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You're obviously entitled to your own opinion. For the record, though, I've *never* suggested criticism of Jason Garrett is unwarranted. I'm probably his biggest public supporter here on the site, and I'm openly critical of him in a number of regards. I just happen to think the suggestion that a 'training' question from the Dallas media would throw Jason off his game is silly. He's way too good at handling the local media for that, and there's an obvious built-in answer to that question that everybody would accept at face value, anyway.


I agree with you that he would handle it okay. But, IMO, there would be a minute where it would be uncomfortable for him. If for no other reason than because everyone hears it again. And yeah, some of us would like to see it happen. Maybe I am alone here, but to me he comes off as way too comfortable in his position for a guy that hasnt made the playoffs and has made some glaring mistakes. Considering a first time NFL head coach showed up in the NFC East and took a team from 4-12 to winning the division IN Dallas while JG is 0-3 in final games of the season. Garrett needs to tweaked a little. Have his feathers ruffled, as they say. ;)
 

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I agree with you that he would handle it okay. But, IMO, there would be a minute where it would be uncomfortable for him. If for no other reason than because everyone hears it again. And yeah, some of us would like to see it happen. Maybe I am alone here, but to me he comes off as way too comfortable in his position for a guy that hasnt made the playoffs and has made some glaring mistakes. Considering a first time NFL head coach showed up in the NFC East and took a team from 4-12 to winning the division IN Dallas while JG is 0-3 in final games of the season. Garrett needs to tweaked a little. Have his feathers ruffled, as they say. ;)

Meh. I think you want the guy to at least seem confident and comfortable and sure of himself. Even if he's going out, it doesn't help to have the media badgering him and him looking lost or uncomfortable in a press conference.

He's certainly made mistakes. And he's definitely been in a lot of close call situations where it's very easy to prefer the option he didn't take. He hasn't covered himself in glory, and if the team wanted to replace him this offseason everybody, including myself, would understand.
 

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Meh. I think you want the guy to at least seem confident and comfortable and sure of himself. Even if he's going out, it doesn't help to have the media badgering him and him looking lost or uncomfortable in a press conference.

He's certainly made mistakes. And he's definitely been in a lot of close call situations where it's very easy to prefer the option he didn't take. He hasn't covered himself in glory, and if the team wanted to replace him this offseason everybody, including myself, would understand.


You are a very, very fair and decent person. I mean that too. Not just because of how you express your feelings about the head coach, but also how, as a moderator, you interact with us lowly people. Very fair. Thats a good job by you. (all serious here, no sarcasm)
 

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You're obviously entitled to your own opinion. For the record, though, I've *never* suggested criticism of Jason Garrett is unwarranted. I'm probably his biggest public supporter here on the site, and I'm openly critical of him in a number of regards. I just happen to think the suggestion that a 'training' question from the Dallas media would throw Jason off his game is silly. He's way too good at handling the local media for that, and there's an obvious built-in answer to that question that everybody would accept at face value, anyway.

I just wish that JG was a good at winning football games instead of being good with handling the media, the first has a benfit for us fans and the second benefits himself.

That's kinda like Jerry, he doesn't know how to assemble a winning football team so he concentrates on maximizing the Cowboys brand to make himself money, again the first benefits the fans and the second benefits himself.

The funny part about it is some fans brag on JG's pressers and JJ's wealth as though that some how benefits us fans when the only thing we should be concerned with is winning football games.
 

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i was just telling someone the other day, i'm shocked that Mike & Mike or Cowherd or someone hasn't taken that Jerry quote and just ran with it. It's like we got a pass on that one.
 

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He's certainly made mistakes. And he's definitely been in a lot of close call situations where it's very easy to prefer the option he didn't take. He hasn't covered himself in glory, and if the team wanted to replace him this offseason everybody, including myself, would understand.

Yes, he has! But in fairness to him he has not had a lot of help from the current GM-in-training -- now on training day number 6,273, I believe -- who has done nothing but tied his hands behind his back concerning personnel and coaching staff decisions.

I will be the first to admit that I am not pleased with the way Garrett has coached on game days but let it be noted that I was on board with his hiring because I believed he could be a good HC in the long term.

Garrett may or may not succeed this year but I have a feeling he is going to go out swinging if necessary. Jerry has backed him up into a corner and if he going to go out it's going to be in a blaze of glory. This draft will be all Garrett and any coaching staff changes will be his decision and nobody else's. I'm looking forward to it!
 

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I just wish that JG was a good at winning football games instead of being good with handling the media, the first has a benfit for us fans and the second benefits himself.

That's kinda like Jerry, he doesn't know how to assemble a winning football team so he concentrates on maximizing the Cowboys brand to make himself money, again the first benefits the fans and the second benefits himself.

The funny part about it is some fans brag on JG's pressers and JJ's wealth as though that some how benefits us fans when the only thing we should be concerned with is winning football games.

Its kind of a shame, because Jason's good at some things that are unique challenges in the Dallas job. And he's good at some of the things that are going to/could help us in the longer term if he stays the course. He struggles with stuff like the game day situations, he's dithered back and forth too much on what he wants to do with the defense, etc. It's definitely hurt us in the short term.

Basically, I think he's weak in some areas that normally aren't as important as the areas where he's really strong, but the team's been crippled in terms of its cap, some bizarre sustained injuries to specific position groups, and he's missed the mark on the defensive secondary/scheme changes that should have bought him time to gradually get us clear of the cap issues and improve through the draft. He's the kind of guy that, if he ever gets on top of the talent problem on the roster, can steer you through anything. But that process of getting control has been too turbulent, and fans have turned on him.

I know not everybody agrees, and that's ok. It's academic if he can't get control of the situation in the first place. But, if he ever does, I do think we've got a guy who can run a team that's good enough and deep enough to make the the coin-toss type question marks pretty much academic for a long, long time.
 

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Its kind of a shame, because Jason's good at some things that are unique challenges in the Dallas job. And he's good at some of the things that are going to/could help us in the longer term if he stays the course. He struggles with stuff like the game day situations, he's dithered back and forth too much on what he wants to do with the defense, etc. It's definitely hurt us in the short term.

Basically, I think he's weak in some areas that normally aren't as important as the areas where he's really strong, but the team's been crippled in terms of its cap, some bizarre sustained injuries to specific position groups, and he's missed the mark on the defensive secondary/scheme changes that should have bought him time to gradually get us clear of the cap issues and improve through the draft. He's the kind of guy that, if he ever gets on top of the talent problem on the roster, can steer you through anything. But that process of getting control has been too turbulent, and fans have turned on him.

I know not everybody agrees, and that's ok. It's academic if he can't get control of the situation in the first place. But, if he ever does, I do think we've got a guy who can run a team that's good enough and deep enough to make the the coin-toss type question marks pretty much academic for a long, long time.

I really think that this team needs a new offensive coordinator with a new offensive system, with that then JG maybe a more effective coach. Problem with that is that he's suppose to be an offensive guru and if you get a new oc with a new system then what exactly did you hire JG for?
 

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I really think that this team needs a new offensive coordinator with a new offensive system, with that then JG maybe a more effective coach. Problem with that is that he's suppose to be an offensive guru and if you get a new oc with a new system then what exactly did you hire JG for?

Why, though? If our points/series is in the top 5 in the league, and with our pass defense in the bottom 5, why change OCs? I want to see the team spend every available resource this season on DL to get sufficient pressure and on the S position to get better coverage.
 

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Why, though? If our points/series is in the top 5 in the league, and with our pass defense in the bottom 5, why change OCs? I want to see the team spend every available resource this season on DL to get sufficient pressure and on the S position to get better coverage.

First I want to echo a previous poster and say I appreciate the back and fort, I look at the Denver Broncos defense and they are not 9that good but what makes them effective is that the offense dictates what the other teams offense will do. I thought, before the season, that the oline would hold this offense back but they performed above what we expected and although the numbers look great we didn't dictate like I thought we could.
 
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