Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by ChronicCowboy, Nov 14, 2021.
Awesome, post of the day!
Crawford is up there in Conner's level of suckage. Crawford kept his job.
This guy must have pictures of someone with a farm animal. He had three penalties today within just a few plays. Someone help me figure out how and why this guy is still starting over McGovern????
Looking like LVE is going to get second billing and that's a bad thing.
Stop drafting broken players Jerry.
Wow, you are on top of things. Hats off to you.
Actually he does, plus commits penalties. Not every play but he is clearly the weakest link. It would be different if we had no options but most of think there are.
Williams isn't that bad. He's an average NFL offensive lineman. Have the penalties been a little out of control recently? Definitely. Getting that many penalties as a left guard is not sustainable long term for a starter. I think so many fans are out for #52 is because we have had an embarrassment of riches on the OL the last decade.
Looking at the situation objectively. Here is what the numbers say about Williams.
Penalties - 10 (worst in the NFL for guards)
Sacks Allowed - 1(31st in the NFL for guards)
PFF Grade 74.5 (upper quartile of starting NFL linemen)
I don't have a way to check his pass block and run block win rates so if anyone has a PFF subscription please feel free to add that in. I would imagine that they are not bad considering our overall win rates as an offense, but I cannot say for certain.
Basically the numbers support the opinion that he is an average-slightly above average guard that commits an extraordinary amount of penalties. The eye test also would confirm this. Do we need to try and get him to clean up the penalties? For sure. Holding penalties are drive killers. Should we look for an upgrade if at all possible? Yes, like always, but you tell me what teams are dealing starting caliber offensive linemen right now. OL is always a position of need around the league, and we are lucky to have two hall of famers (Smith, Martin), 3 average starters (Collins, Biadasz, Williams, McGovern) and a decent swing tackle (Steele) playing for us right now. There simply are not enough good offensive linemen to go around. I would not be opposed to giving McGovern a crack at the starting job, but maybe the coaching staff knows better than all of us fans on this one.
He has more holding calls than 16 TEAMS do. He isn’t good, nor is he average
Basically he is undersized and lacks the strength and technique necessary to pass protect.; I'm as frustrated with him as anyone, but is McGovern truly better? Apparently the coaching staff aren't sure he is a better option otherwise he'd be playing..
I’ve watched sportrac for years and they estimate contracts based on comparable contracts
They’ve been pretty accurate for years
They estimate CW gets 10 mil based on peats and flowers contracts
They have Gallup getting 9 mil
What hurts gallups value is he’s basically the 3rd option here and I don’t think any team his gonna pay him to be the 1. And there is several good WR’s hitting the market at the same time
But it’s all just a guess till we see what really happens
It’s going to hurt us in the postseason folks.
Who is his backup? It's time they got a start.
Good point on the number of talented WRs coming onto the market. It's just hard to invision the NFL leader in penalties getting 10 million a year.
FYI - Williams is the most penalized player in the league. https://www.nflpenalties.com/all-players.php?year=2021&view=total
It won’t stop him from getting paid
True. Let's hope it's by someone else.
He’s a solid player and on the oline that gets you paid
Peat or flowers aren’t stud players either but they got big contracts
Do GM's count?
No doubt it will be someone else
I wouldn’t sign him to a second contract because I’d only sign elite players to second contracts and draft replacements for the good players
Any second contract for a starter quality player is high
And I think MCGovern or Farniok can replace him
MCGovern played solid last year and while it was just a small sample in pre season I liked what Farniok brought
Who cares about next year.
THIS year he could ruin our season! McCovern must not be as good as we think, if he can’t beat out Williams.