Has the black QB debate died

[DBOY3141]

Seems like at the beginnng of the decade their was all this talk about how the black QB would soon dominate the league like most of the other positions. You has players like McNabb, Culpepper, Leftwich, McNair, Carter all starting for teams. Now only McNabb and the last few years you don't see black QB's getting drafted. What's your opinion on the change?

 

[Hostile]

My opinion is it has nothing whatsoever to do with skin color and that QB is a cyclical thing in the NFL. There will always be trends to follow. Skin color is not the trend, the degree of mobility is. There are still very mobile QBs in the NFL right now, including Romo.

 

[BigBoy63]

My opinion is it has nothing whatsoever to do with skin color and that QB is a cyclical thing in the NFL. There will always be trends to follow. Skin color is not the trend, the degree of mobility is. There are still very mobile QBs in the NFL right now, including Romo.

Exactly, what i was thinking i jus didn't kno how to word it. That and i can see this thread gettin outta hand if people aren't careful.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

If a quarterback has the talent, he'll get drafted.

The lack of black quarterbacks getting drafted probably is due largely by the fact that there haven't been that many star black quarterbacks in college lately.

 

[Nav22]

Quincy Carter was done so horribly wrong by the Cowboys franchise that black high school QBs around the country switched positions, as a sort of protest. Hence the lack of black college/NFL QBs today.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

this is sort of like debating the AIDs issue

retro

although I appreciate you trying to bring levity to the board

 

[rockj7]

I have a question regarding this topic. Why don't coaches teach black quarterbacks to sit in the pocket and throw instead of always using their legs when they are in trouble. It seems almost like a curse if your a fast qb in college. If you are A slow QB THEY TEACH YOU TO sit in the pocket side step an throw. And what is funny is the slow pocket present qb becomes a first round draft pick while the fast elusive black quarterback become a WR project or a permanent back up.
( I am a black male just in case someone catches feelings)

 

[mmillman]

Quincy Carter was done so horribly wrong by the Cowboys franchise that black high school QBs around the country switched positions, as a sort of protest. Hence the lack of black college/NFL QBs today.

Carter was plain horrible. He couldn't even throw a reasonable spiral coming out of college.

Black or white, I don't think a qb lasts very long in this league without talent.

 

[Bleu Star]

My opinion is it has nothing whatsoever to do with skin color and that QB is a cyclical thing in the NFL. There will always be trends to follow. Skin color is not the trend, the degree of mobility is. There are still very mobile QBs in the NFL right now, including Romo.

Very well stated Sir Hos.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Not sure I remember anything about Black QBs going dominate league. Like Hos mentioned there sure was talk and still talk that Mobile QB is going to be the new thing than the stationary one.

But as most recent SBs have shown, seems like its the Immobile QBs that seem to do well or better than the Mobile one.

Vince Young was drafted just three years ago pretty high, so your point doesn't even make sense. There haven't been any highly rated Black QBs recently. If there is one, he will be a top pick, nothing to do with color.

Frankly, no offense, the whole premise is kind of foolish, in this day and age. We are not living in 70s or 80s to think QBs color matters anymore.

 

[peplaw06]

I have a question regarding this topic. Why don't coaches teach black quarterbacks to sit in the pocket and throw instead of always using their legs when they are in trouble. It seems almost like a curse if your a fast qb in college. If you are A slow QB THEY TEACH YOU TO sit in the pocket side step an throw. And what is funny is the slow pocket present qb becomes a first round draft pick while the fast elusive black quarterback become a WR project or a permanent back up.
( I am a black male just in case someone catches feelings)

I think that in high school and college that teams are more interested in winning than teaching their players what it takes to perform at the next level. So these QBs who can extend the play with their legs open up big plays in high school and college and the defenses there can't combat that, so they're successful.

That means when the play breaks down, that's their instinct... to get out of the pocket and try to make a play downfield, rather than check down to a back in the flat and let him make a play, for example. but if they're successful doing that at the lower levels, no coach in their right mind is going to make them stay in the pocket when the offense would suffer and they might win less.

When the QB runs out of the pocket that much, the mechanics suffer. They don't set their feet, they throw on the run. The pocket QB gets in a routine. Step up and throw. So he's far more mechanically advanced than the running QB.

Probably the most successful black QB was the one who was the pocket passer, Warren Moon. He wasn't known for scrambling ability first. So it's not really the "black QB" vs. the white one. It's the scrambling, make plays with your legs QB vs. the pocket passer. Just so happens that most of the black QBs have been able to make plays with their legs and have been athletic freaks.

JMO...

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't think this is debated all that much anymore, honestly.

 

[Hostile]

I have a question regarding this topic. Why don't coaches teach black quarterbacks to sit in the pocket and throw instead of always using their legs when they are in trouble. It seems almost like a curse if your a fast qb in college. If you are A slow QB THEY TEACH YOU TO sit in the pocket side step an throw. And what is funny is the slow pocket present qb becomes a first round draft pick while the fast elusive black quarterback become a WR project or a permanent back up.
( I am a black male just in case someone catches feelings)

It isn't just Black QBs who are not taught this. In fact, Roger Staubach admitted he was coached to take off when he sensed trouble. Colleges have to take advantage of every possible mismatch. In the Pros discipline will always prevail over natural ability.

That is why Troy Aikman succeeded but Jeff George failed. It is why Matt Leinart is behind Kurt Warner in Arizona. It is why Byron Leftwich will get another chance to start despite the fact he is not mobile. It is why Jeff Garcia, who is mobile, might get the same chances.

Offenses are different between the NFL and the NCAA. That is why so often Heisman trophy winning QBs do not do well in the NFL any more. They play in college gimmick offenses that do not translate well to the NFL.

Look at this year's Draft, Mathew Stafford of Georgia is considered the top Pro prospect. He is a classic drop back passer. Graham Harrell had better stats in college, so why isn't he rated higher by the NFL teams? Because of the type of Offensive systems they play in. Stafford is further along in the NFL ways than Harrell.

Therefore I would say Harrell is not being taught correctly. Now you can say he isn't taught to take off running, but it is still poor transalation to the NFL game what he is doing.

What it boils down to is QBs who can become disciplined to the NFL game will usually succeed. Those who want to rely on their God given ability tend to fail. You know why Tony Romo has succeeded here in Dallas while Bledsose ultimately failed? It isn't because of mobility. It's because Tony was disciplined enought to follow Parcell's mantra of get rid of the ball in 2.5 seconds. He was disciplined enough to do this and he flourished.

It doesn't mean Bledsoe, a statue, would fail everywhere. Dan Marino was a statue. Dan could play in the NFL today because he got rid of the football.

The QBs who fail do not fail because of skin color. They fail because they do not discipline themselves enough to the NFL game. It has nothing to do with skin color, mobility, arm strength, or even size. It has everything to do with discipline. It always has. There can only be 96 guys doing the job any given year and only 32 of them start. Each year a Brady or a Romo comes along who busts his butt and just overhauls a more talented guy who believes in himself and nothing else.

 

[Plumfool]

I gess it has not. Its a stupid debate anyway.

 

[thechosen1n2]

I have a question regarding this topic. Why don't coaches teach black quarterbacks to sit in the pocket and throw instead of always using their legs when they are in trouble. It seems almost like a curse if your a fast qb in college. If you are A slow QB THEY TEACH YOU TO sit in the pocket side step an throw. And what is funny is the slow pocket present qb becomes a first round draft pick while the fast elusive black quarterback become a WR project or a permanent back up.
( I am a black male just in case someone catches feelings)

I am a black male as well...and what I hate is not using your talents while actually learning the nuances of the position. I have use to have this argument about Michael Vick all the time. People would say that hes a great qb...I said hes a great athlete that happens to play qb, because he never learned the position. Just imagine this guy if he took the time to learn to go thru progressions, and to stand in the pocket a little longer to give plays time to develop. But NOOO at the first sign of pressure he runs out of panic. If he actually learned the position, he could have been a SUPER HUMAN Steve Young.

Now Personally I dont think you totally try to change a qb. McNabb got worse when he tried to change totally into a pocket passer, Romo was worse last year, even Q Car tried to prove he was a passer and he got worse.

 

[CowboyMike]

This is not a debate of color, it's a debate over style of quarterback.

The only black quarterback to win the super bowl was Doug Williams. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that he was more of a pure passer than he was a scrambling, running quarterback.

 

[tyke1doe]

Usually, black kids who become quarterbacks, even at the Pee Wee football league, are not kids with the strongest arms, but kids who are the fastest.

And that follows through right up to the college level.

I would also say that white kids, because they don't have the speed factor compared to blacks kids(I generalize), are taught the cerebral aspects of quarterbacking. And that follows through right up to the college level.

That's why they're better prepared.

 

[RainMan]

Usually, black kids who become quarterbacks, even at the Pee Wee football league, are not kids with the strongest arms, but kids who are the fastest.

And that follows through right up to the college level.

I would also say that white kids, because they don't have the speed factor compared to blacks kids(I generalize), are taught the cerebral aspects of quarterbacking. And that follows through right up to the college level.

That's why they're better prepared.

I've always thought this as well.

Take skin color out of the debate, high schools do an injustice to "fast" quarterbacks in a sense. They ride them for their athleticism alone so, so often, and it's just not enough time in college to learn all the cerebral aspects to become a legitimate NFL quarterback prospect three or four years after high school.

It just so happens the uber-quick quarterbacks seem to black more often than white, which is why this becomes perceived as a crisis with the development of "black" QBs as opposed to "athletic" ones.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

are you trying to say that the idea of a dark skinned person playing QB has been settled? Their skin has officially made it impossible for them to succeed?

 

[MONT17]

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