Has your opinion of Drew changed?

[SuspectCorner]

i panned the bledsoe signing cuz i thought we could get roughly the same thing outta vinny without any messy multi-year commitment and about half the dough. the QB market was pretty dry and drew was the closest thing to a "name-brand" at the time.

bledsoe won me over pretty quick. the O-line was never any great shakes -but bledsoe was flying by the seat of his pants, early on, when he had moderate protection. the cat still has a live arm. and he was finding targets often enough to keep the opponents back on their heels before we started keeping all our TEs in to chip or play FB. and abandoning the spread formations.

and he did that stuff with a mediocre pass-protection unit and running game. it's not like he was ever propped up by either this season.

the O-line effort has fallen to abyssmal. and the dominoe effect has been noticeable. look at their counter-parts, the D-line. lotta injuries at LB and CB but the D hasn't really dropped off 'cuz the play up front has been pretty solid. not spectacular... just solid.

how many times have we heard the old saw "games are won in the trenches"? well, here's your proof.

it's hard to look further than the O-line. 'cuz until they get their **** together and give a decent effort - you can't get a true read on any other offensive positions.

 

[TunaFan33]

It seems like the QB will either get TOO much credit, or TOO little.

Bledsoe will almost always give me jitters. However-look at the Patriots and Colts. With all the talk you hear about Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, RARELY do we hear about their other game-heros(i.e. Vinetteri, Vanderjact, Branch, E. James, Corey Dillon and even Reggie Wayne for that matter too). BTW-how many times have Adam V and Mike V hit clutch FGs in poor weather conditions-compared to, let's say, Manning's poor play in poor weather conditions?

And for that matter too-Yes-I agree that Flo's loss has had a huge impact on us. But let us not forget that Bledsoe played wonderfully in OT(in that Giants game earlier) getting us into scoring position sans Flo.

 

[Silverstar]

I have nothing against Bledsoe...he's pretty tough. He'll finish the season and with more TD's than INT's.

Our running game has been the problem.

 

[big_neil]

lol universal my ***. Not even close. It's only all inclusive if you assume everybody thinks exactly like you do, which is obviously not the case. You see, most people r

There were only two variables:

A) Either you liked Drew before the season or you didn't
B) Either you like Drew now or you don't.

Thus there are four and only permutations.

Of course, if you really are a woman, you could say you were exactly in between both before and after, in which case you are a perfectly neutral and likely a bi.

 

[big_neil]

. Forty Thousand yards is a lot of yards but what does it all mean if you don't make the big plays to win under pressure?
/QUOTE]

Drew is among NFL all-time leaders in game-winning drives (30). Montana had 31.

 

[big_neil]

Double ROFL!

What is 'womanese", anyway?/QUOTE]

Womanese is a term coined by Doc. Love from AskMen dot c om in his classic book "The System"

Womanese:

"Women don't necessarily choose what they say they like" - Fast Eddie Love.

"Even psychology majors cannot decipher Womanese."
- Doc Love.

"They don't sound like (men) and it seems like the words they use mean something else. They don't even talk about football or John Wayne"
- p 198

Translations:

"We are not the same type" is Womanese for "You are not rich".

"I have never felt this way" is Womanese for "I have never felt this way this week".

"Petite or slender" is Womanese for "Ten pounds overweight".

 

[big_neil]

I think everyone here is missing the BIGGEST of the picture-IF Cortez and Cundiff had made chip shots in 3 of our losses, we would be sitting pretty at 10-2\.

Exactly. Just like in Buffalo last year, if the defense didn't fold on the final drives vs. Jax and the Jets the Bills would have been 11-5 and in the playoffs, without Drew changing one thing. That's the thing about football, no matter who makes a mistake, you can always claim that a better QB would have made up for it.

 

[Martice]

that's a low standard my man, that's ALL QC had going for him

are you sure that's all you want from Bledsoe? yards?

an 85 and above QB rating, 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio, over 3,000 yards, will do it for me, I mean, we didn't invest that much in Bledsoe, to expect much more than that...

seems to me that both the undecided, the haters, the Bledsoe backers, all, are expecting too much from Bledsoe, or more precisely for the haters, are asking Bledsoe to be a completely different QB, a leopard can't change his spots, so this whining about we want a QB who can make plays with his feet, sidestep the rush, or whatever we're moaning about Bledsoe lacking, is pointless, it aint happening, an exercise in futility my friends

that's just my humble opinion...

Hi Summer. If you only focus on the QC part I see what you are saying. However, since everyone brings up Drew's 40,000 total yards to date, my main concern is what he is doing this year for the Cowboys. He can have any QB rating he wants but if he doesn't make the throws that he HAS to make who cares but the NFL historians and Drew fans?

Now if you reread what I wrote you will see that I said:

Oh and regarding the poll, I didn't like Drew before we got him and I don't trust him now. He has some proving to do and he will have to pass QC's yardage total in 2003 before I take him serious as well as make a few more clutch throws pressure or no pressure.

Yardage isn't everything I know. Clutch is everything. Do you mean that you would rather have a QB with respectable numbers for the year at the expense of being clutch?

You take the numbers and give me Brady because that's what made the choice easy between Drew and him. They are basically the identical QB if you substract decision making, response to pressure and ability to buy time.

That to me, speaks volumes about Drew as a QB. The longer he plays the more he shows that he does not have a higher level that he can reach. He doesn't have the ability to prove the defenses wrong that have memorized the "Drew Bledsoe and how to stop him" manual.

Now a question to you Summer. Would you rather have a QB that has respectable numbers or would you rather have a QB that can raise his playing level and make clutch throws?

 

[vicjagger]

How about:

"I liked Drew before the bye week, but now I do not."

or

"I had no opinion before the season, because he wasn't a Cowboy and played in the AFC, now I'm rooting for him, but I haven't been impressed since Halloween."

 

[Martice]

. Forty Thousand yards is a lot of yards but what does it all mean if you don't make the big plays to win under pressure?
/QUOTE]

Drew is among NFL all-time leaders in game-winning drives (30). Montana had 31.

Game winning drives? Yes. I'll give you that one for now. On what stage though? What was on the line? Also, the game winning drives could occur anytime during the game, just not at the end like "game winning drive" make you think. Was the game decided by his passing or could a decisive running play be the play that kept the drive alive after Drew got rattled on the play before?

Drew may have been the QB during "game winning drives" but that does not mean that he was THE difference maker on the drives in question. The only reason why I say this is because how can a QB that is second in "game winning drives" behind the great Joe Montana not be known as a CLUTCH QB?

This is a major oversight by the NFL community overall!!!!!


NOT!!!!!!!


Oh and a little bit of Drew History.

Profootballweekly.com:

Drew Bledsoe has come out and says he wants to stay in New England. What are your thoughts on him at this stage in his career?

Buchsbaum: He’s an above-average quarterback who needs protection and is more effective in the hurry-up offense. He’s not especially mobile, he’s got a lot of inconsistency in his game, he’s not super clutch and he’s the highest-paid player in the game now, and he’s not worth that.

Hmmm... Is this what many feel that they are seeing with Drew now? If you put Brady in this equation you would apply just about everything in the above quote but opposite.

 

[Cowchips]

Game winning drives? Yes. I'll give you that one for now. On what stage though? What was on the line? Also, the game winning drives could occur anytime during the game, just not at the end like "game winning drive" make you think. Was the game decided by his passing or could a decisive running play be the play that kept the drive alive after Drew got rattled on the play before?

Drew may have been the QB during "game winning drives" but that does not mean that he was THE difference maker on the drives in question. The only reason why I say this is because how can a QB that is second in "game winning drives" behind the great Joe Montana not be known as a CLUTCH QB?

This is a major oversight by the NFL community overall!!!!!


NOT!!!!!!!

Weren't there game winning drives against SD, NY Giants and ohter teams this year? Wouldn't those qualify under your "formula"??

 

[big_neil]

Weren't there game winning drives against SD, NY Giants and ohter teams this year? Wouldn't those qualify under your "formula"??

Game winning drives are with the game tied or your team trailing by 6 or fewer in the 4th quarter or later that resulted in a win.

 

[big_neil]

Drew had Game winning drives at SD, NYG and at SF. He also led them to 1st and goal at the 6 vs. Oakland but the play broke down, Glenn dropped it and Drew missed Witten. And Witten at that point in all his whining and temper tantruming is the reason Drew doesn't like Witten. After last weeks drop for Witten in Drive 1, I'm not so sure Witten isn't overrated.

 

[Doomsday101]

Drew had Game winning drives at SD, NYG and at SF. He also led them to 1st and goal at the 6 vs. Oakland but the play broke down, Glenn dropped it and Drew missed Witten. And Witten at that point in all his whining and temper tantruming is the reason Drew doesn't like Witten. After last weeks drop for Witten in Drive 1, I'm not so sure Witten isn't overrated.

You don't know that Drew does not like Witten. Where do you come up with this stuff? You talked to Bledsoe or what? as for being overrated you have got to be kidding Witten one of the top TE in the league but with the problems at Tackle he is not getting as many oppertunities as he would like.

 

[Martice]

Weren't there game winning drives against SD, NY Giants and ohter teams this year? Wouldn't those qualify under your "formula"??

Hi Cowchips. I am not saying that he never had game winning drives. The point I'm making is for a QB to be rated #2 in "game winning drives" behind the great Joe Montana, you would at least feel comfortable calling him clutch. Wouldn't you? Has anyone ever used Drew and "clutch" in the same sentence when looking over his career?

I'm not calling Drew dog poo poo but I am not making him out to be some great QB because of his overall yardage accumulation.

When the 'O' line is not working well, the running game is stopped and the QB is under constant pressure it's not a good sign for any offense on the field. However, when the running back has an opportunity to break a big run they must break it, this is the sign of a "clutch" RB.

When the 'O' line manages to create a pocket despite being dominated for the most part of the game for the QB, the QB must recognize that he has a pocket to set and throw. This is "clutch" 'O' line play.

If the QB has the chance to make the BIG pass he must make that pass. If chances to make the pass are slim then the QB has no room for error and must make that pass when the opportunity arises. When everything the offense is doing is not working, it is the QB that has to keep the huddle up and optimistic and willing to execute their game. This is what I expect from any QB that is known as "clutch" and I would like to expect it from Drew. I'm just not sure that he is consistent in situations like that.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

There were only two variables:

A) Either you liked Drew before the season or you didn't
B) Either you like Drew now or you don't.

Thus there are four and only permutations.

Of course, if you really are a woman, you could say you were exactly in between both before and after, in which case you are a perfectly neutral and likely a bi.

What in the World....

 

[Zaxor]

What in the World....

I think Bigneil has so much love for Bledsoe that he speaks with his mouth full to often...what did your Mama say about that...:nono2: I know my Mama said "never speak with your mouth full"

 

[big_neil]

Has anyone ever used Drew and "clutch" in the same sentence when looking over his career?

Yes, after the SD game, after the SF game, after the first Philly game, after the first NYG game, and even on some drives in the Denver game. Drew was clutch in those games. Not in every game. He is human.

 

[Hostile]

Yes, after the SD game, after the SF game, after the first Philly game, after the first NYG game, and even on some drives in the Denver game. Drew was clutch in those games. Not in every game. He is human.

Please show us where the media said he was clutch after those games. Not you, the media. We know you want to clutch him.

 

[Martice]

Yes, after the SD game, after the SF game, after the first Philly game, after the first NYG game, and even on some drives in the Denver game. Drew was clutch in those games. Not in every game. He is human.

Hi Big Neil.

QC made "clutch" throws in 2003 but that doesn't mean he was "clutch" does it. The key word is 'consistency'. Is Drew a clutch QB? No. Since you care to bring up games this year. How many passes have you seen Drew throw to high to the JJ on the screen or quick out? How many ground balls have you seen him throw this year to the frustration of his WR's? How many balls on 3 step drops get there too late? Drew's not perfect and neither is any other QB. Saying that, all QB's have tendencies and abilities that separate them from their piers. The great ones have the abilities that enable them to enforce their will on the opponents defense. Drew doesn't have the abilities that allow him to dominate the game without the rest of his parts being on their 'A' game or at least their 'B' game. For this he isn't a top tier QB in this league despite what the numbers say.

If you ask any team who the top 5 QB's they would like to have when the game is on the line, I doubt anyone would have picked Drew. The last question I have for you is would you pick Drew as one of your Top 5 "clutch" QB's with the game on the line?