Hatcher (Sound Like He's Not Playing)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And saying you don't want to hurt your team isn't the same as saying "bad film".

Sounds like people seeing or not seeing what they want to see to me.

Please point out to me where I say what his intentions are. I give a just as likely scenario but note how I couch that as a certainty.

Would I prefer that he not be a selfish person? Sure but I am not going to insert that for the truth.

Now compare and contrast with someone who will make that leap when it comes to a conclusion that demeans the man.

That is my entire point: we don't know. You have known me me long enough man. You know I absolutely loathe when people conjecture and then present it as the truth.

 

[Stash]

Please point out to me where I say what his intentions are. I give a just as likely scenario but note how I couch that as a certainty.

Would I prefer that he not be a selfish person? Sure but I am not going to insert that for the truth.

Now compare and contrast with someone who will make that leap when it comes to a conclusion that demeans the man.

That is my entire point: we don't know. You have known me me long enough man. You know I absolutely loathe when people conjecture and then present it as the truth.

Sorry if I came across as attacking, was not my intent.

But if I were criticizing something, I would criticize Hatcher for either selfishness or poor choice of words, rather than blaming anyone for thinking that references to 'film' over 'team' are disappointing.

 

[xwalker]

I doubt the guy is playing after reading this...


Ed Werder @Edwerderespn Follow
DT Jason Hatcher a game-time decision with pinched nerve. A UFA after season, he says, "I'm not going to go out there and put bad film on."
5:34 PM - 9 Nov 2013

Ed Werder @Edwerderespn Follow
More Hatcher: "I've been playing well so if I can't be the Jason Hatcher that I was before I got hurt, then I'm not going out there."
5:38 PM - 9 Nov 2013

Ed Werder has been know to fabricate stories.

 

[CooterBrown]

You would have to have the full context of the conversation to be able to accurately speculate about his motivations to play or not to play. But, just from what I see here, he alluded to the fact that he has been playing well, before he said anything about "bad film." If he only meant that he wouldn't want to play if he would look bad on post-game film to the coaches and the other players, there would be no need to reference his past performance. I think he is clearly concerned about his overall body of work this season, as it appears on film, and that is almost certainly concerning a new contract.

Now, with that said, these players have mixed loyalties. They do care about winning, and they do care about the team and their teammates. They also know that their careers are short and often physically, and sometimes mentally, debilitating. If they don't make decisions now about their future financial situation, and if they put the team before their families, their loyalties are in the wrong order. We, as fans, can afford to support the team 100%, and it is easy for us to say, "take one for the team." Players cannot afford to do that. If Hatcher wants to sit because his play would not appear to be big-contract-worthy, I have no problem with it. Especially knowing that when he does come back in, he will be giving all he's got to make a splash on film.

On the other hand, it also tells me that once he gets his big contract, his incentive to make a splash will be significantly diminished.

 

[Illini88228]

It's a much more ambiguous statement without the bit about being a UFA that the writer prefaced the quote with. If you read that part out, there's a much more colorable argument that he's just talking about not wanting to play badly.

 

[silver]

The way Marinelli has shown patience with his defensive line, don't be surprised if he sends him to IR to prove a point.

 

[dstovall5]

And people actually think he's a leader, lol.. Think you'd ever hear Romo or Dez saying,"I'm not going to go out there and put bad film on."? Nope. If the team needs them, they'll play, they don't care whether it's a broken finger or broken ribs, they take their pain shot and get out there to help their team.

I Lost a little respect for Hatcher for saying that, contract year or not you still play if you're able to.

 

[SportsGuru80]

Yeah I don't like the statement at all... However I understand how contract leverage works so it is what it is.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sorry if I came across as attacking, was not my intent.

But if I were criticizing something, I would criticize Hatcher for either selfishness or poor choice of words, rather than blaming anyone for thinking that references to 'film' over 'team' are disappointing.

I didn't think you came across as that.

The way I look at it is like this.

Do you think that he is thinking about a potential team looking at his film or do you think that he is thinking about watching the film with Marinelli and his teammates this Tuesday?

 

[Stash]

I didn't think you came across as that.

The way I look at it is like this.

Do you think that he is thinking about a potential team looking at his film or do you think that he is thinking about watching the film with Marinelli and his teammates this Tuesday?

I firmly think it's about his pending free agency and I have no doubt about that.

If you're worried about hurting your team, that's just what you say, you don't mention film in that context.

I think anyone trying to interpret is as anything other than about self is looking to make an excuse for poor choice of words.

 

[coult44]

I doubt the guy is playing after reading this...


Ed Werder @Edwerderespn Follow
DT Jason Hatcher a game-time decision with pinched nerve. A UFA after season, he says, "I'm not going to go out there and put bad film on."
5:34 PM - 9 Nov 2013

Ed Werder @Edwerderespn Follow
More Hatcher: "I've been playing well so if I can't be the Jason Hatcher that I was before I got hurt, then I'm not going out there."
5:38 PM - 9 Nov 2013

I love Hatch, but unless his quote was taken out of context, this makes me mad. Dez plays hurt. Tony plays hurt. Lee plays hurt. Heck years ago, wasn't it our own 22, who played with a freekin separated shoulder. We can talk about countless others who play hurt. Like Parcells used to say, "are you sure you want to come out of that huddle, you never know who's gonna come in it after you leave"

 

[alicetooljam]

It was a selfish, me thing to say no matter how you spin it...as long as thats exactly what he said...I dont think hes worried about what his teammates and coaches see in film...they know hes hurt.

 

[blumayne38]

Hatcher has played very well for this team and no other, if the man is injured and needs to sit and feels he needs to sit then sit him. I don't ? His heart or hustle ...asking this man to dial it down for an injury, if anyone has seen him play is out of the ?...and all the nonsense about film...would u want anyone to see you playing 50% because of injury?...i doubt it let him rest and come back healthy and ready to continue his "big daddy" season haters be quiet

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I firmly think it's about his pending free agency and I have no doubt about that.

If you're worried about hurting your team, that's just what you say, you don't mention film in that context.

I think anyone trying to interpret is as anything other than about self is looking to make an excuse for poor choice of words.

Must be nice being absolutely certain in things.

I don't know enough pro ball players to say what context they view 'film' in. I do know it's a big part of their job with the team.

 

[Stash]

Must be nice being absolutely certain in things.

I don't know enough pro ball players to say what context they view 'film' in. I do know it's a big part of their job with the team.

I've never heard a player reference film when talking about helping his team win.

Ever.

You show me an example of it ever happening, it might open up some wiggle room for your attempted excuse.

But don't worry, I don't expect to see anything.

Have a nice day.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've never heard a player reference film when talking about helping his team win.

Ever.

You show me an example of it ever happening, it might open up some wiggle room for your attempted excuse.

But don't worry, I don't expect to see anything.

Have a nice day.

Players constantly talk about how they are going to come in after the game and watch film. There are stories of players watching film on the plane or anywhere else they can get to. That is what they have those iPads for. Film and the playbook.

They have film sessions with their position groups where they are evaluated for their performance that week. They do that on Tuesdays. That is the context that he himself uses film. He watches film with his teammates and coaches on a daily basis.

You are the one using the 'help the team win' standard. That is your strawman. I question this notion that he is saying that it is for pending FA. I also think that he is more likely considering what his coaches and teammates are going to be watching with him.

Now what examples do you have of other teams watching Hatcher's film for pending free agency? That is your standard for proof mind you. Where is your proof.

But don't worry, I don't expect to see anything.

Have a nice day.

 

[Blue Eyed Devil]

I think this coaching staff is putting its players in danger and Hatcher is right to be skeptical of them. Remember Spencer had a 4-6 week injury and they had him practicing after 3 weeks of rest. Only after they brought Spencer back too early did he have his season-ending injury. Looking at Ware last night, is there any question the coaching staff put him out there before he was 100%?

Hatcher is watching this coaching staff rush players onto the field to get hurt, he has every right to not trust them.

 

[tomsanders921]

Hatcher needs to learn to think before he speaks. You are in your last year of your contract and you make a statement like that. Of course everyone is going to take that as you don't want bad film out there for other teams interested in you to see.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

When I was scouting for the Green Bay Packers and Kansas City Chiefs, I always felt like I had an advantage over other scouts who had not played football.

This does not mean I was a better scout or had a better eye for talent than them. But as a former player, having spent so much time watching hours of game film, I saw the game differently.

I was an average player at best, so I needed to prepare different than a star player may have to. There are players in the NFL, when I played and even today, who could be in the Hall of Fame off talent alone.

There are players who watch just enough film to grasp the basic concepts, and they still perform at a high level.

A guy like Michael Vick has stated publicly that he did not take film study and preparation seriously early in his career. Then there are players like Peyton Manning, Ray Lewis and Larry Fitzgerald who devour film work and take their God-given talent to a different stratosphere.

Everyone in the NFL watches film in preparation for the game the coming week. Every player starts the week after a game by breaking down the previous game as a unit or in positional meetings.

The coaches will correct mistakes individually and as a unit. Great coaches take the time to teach the correct techniques and to show players where they can improve.

Players are the hardest on themselves when they make a mental error or play a technique wrong. Getting yelled at in front of your peers by a coach rarely helps.

One of my favorite parts of watching game film as a team was good plays by individual players. The groups in that room all know and appreciate how special playing in the NFL is and the work that is put in to achieve success. While ESPN may focus on the highlights, NFL players focus on the job they are asked to do in any one play.

Let me give you an example: A defensive tackle will get off the football low and hard, gain leverage on the offensive guard and force the blocker into the backfield. That defensive tackle may not make the tackle, but the running back may have to stutter his feet, lose momentum and get tackled for a loss by the linebacker.

In NFL rooms, the defensive tackle will get shout-outs and “Atta boys.” I know that sounds silly, but when one of the best like Ed Reed or Adrian Peterson give another teammate a compliment, those words go a long way for the individual and the team. Getting props for a solid play that helped the team...that’s about as good as a feeling as you can have.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ve-on-film-study-and-preparing-for-a-nfl-game

 

[Stash]

Players constantly talk about how they are going to come in after the game and watch film. There are stories of players watching film on the plane or anywhere else they can get to. That is what they have those iPads for. Film and the playbook.

They have film sessions with their position groups where they are evaluated for their performance that week. They do that on Tuesdays. That is the context that he himself uses film. He watches film with his teammates and coaches on a daily basis.

You are the one using the 'help the team win' standard. That is your strawman. I question this notion that he is saying that it is for pending FA. I also think that he is more likely considering what his coaches and teammates are going to be watching with him.

Now what examples do you have of other teams watching Hatcher's film for pending free agency? That is your standard for proof mind you. Where is your proof.

But don't worry, I don't expect to see anything.

Have a nice day.

How do you think teams scout potential free agents? Do they just get a list off the internet?

I'm willing to bet that they look at 'film'.

And your insane 'contention' is that those same people, ya know, the ones who know better than anyone that he's hurt, would somehow use this 'bad film' against him?

I continue to be amazed at how low fans will stoop and the leaps in logic they will make, or try to make, in defense of this team and it's players.

You lie to yourself, but don't try to lie to me.