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Rampage;3432353 said:
holy home court advantage. I hope the refs are biased towards La in game 6 like they were tonight for Boston.

Youre kidding right? 19 Free Throws for the Lakers to 7 for the Celtics.

Like I said earlier if they let the Celtics play physical defense they will win the series. They are out hustling the Lakers and forcing Kobe into bad shots.

The only reason this series is going back to LA, is Fisher had a horse shoe up his a** game 3 and played way above his head.
 

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Doomsday;3432357 said:
Your kidding right? 15 Free Throws for the Lakers to 7 for the Celtics.

Like I said earlier if they let the Celtics play physical defense they will win the series. They are out hustling the Lakers and forcing Kobe into bad shots.
it's not just about free throws. they're blowing the whistle on ticky tack **** on LA but letting Boston play physical defense.
 

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I agree with that FF are only part of the story, but picking up over 10 more points on the line is huge. 24-9 in FF with 1 minute left you have to be getting some calls.
 

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Ron Artest SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11:laugh1:
 

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Impressive game by Kobe, but the rest of the team was MIA. Gasol and Odom have to have more of an impact. If not, Kobe better have 2 40+ point performances. Between the whistles and physical defense, this series has been a little painful to watch. Nice game by Pierce.
 

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Kobe putting up points doing everything, with his teammates not stepping up.

Welcome to Lebron's world.
 

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ESPN: Win or lose - Kobe Still MVP?

BOSTON -- In an odd Finals filled with statistical oddities and in which each game has borne virtually no resemblance to its predecessor, it's perhaps fitting that through five games we're left with another unusual situation: There is no clear-cut choice for series MVP. In fact, if Boston were to close things out with a win in Game 6 on Tuesday, as many as four Celtics could garner serious consideration.

Of course, the MVP doesn't have to come from the winning team. While this isn't the letter of the rule it's been an unwritten law for the past four decades -- every Finals MVP since 1969 has come from the winning team. Alas, every rule has its exception, and after Sunday night's 38-point effort we may be looking at one in the form of Kobe Bryant.

While the Celtics deserve their 3-2 lead in the series, there's no question who the best player has been over these first five games. That point was driven home with a sledgehammer in Game 5 when Bryant scored 19 points in the third quarter only to find the Celtics' lead had increased when he was done.

This continued a Finals in which Bryant has had at least 20 points in every game, has had only one game that possibly could be construed as somewhere close to ordinary (Game 2), and has had a pair (Games 1 and 5) in which he was absolutely spectacular.

For the series, Bryant is averaging 30.2 points per game; no other player is averaging more than 19. He's done it reasonably efficiently too, with a 55.2 true shooting percentage in a series in which the average has been 53.4. That's amazing considering the difficulty of the attempts he's taken, especially in Game 5.

Bryant has filled the stat sheet in various and sundry other ways, too. Bryant leads all Finals players in steals, is second in assists and has yanked down six rebounds a game. About the only quibble one could make is that he's been a bit turnover-prone; of course, he's playing against the league's top turnover-forcing defense, so this shouldn't come as a huge shock.

And while the league doesn't award extra points for degree of difficulty, part of the reason Bryant has been forced into such challenging attempts is how little help he's received from the cavalry. Again, this point was hammered into our consciousness in the second half of Game 5 -- Pau Gasol was the only Lakers starter to score a basket after halftime, and his play was tepid throughout (among his other assorted flubs, did anyone else catch him standing in the paint watching as Nate Robinson flew by for an easy fourth-quarter layup?).

If you're not sold on Bryant's MVP case yet, then consider the alternative. If not Kobe, who?

Rajon Rondo, who has yet to have a 20-point game and is 4-for-15 from the free throw line in the series? Ray Allen, who made a record eight 3-pointers in Game 2 but is 0-for-18 from distance in the other four games? Paul Pierce, who didn't become a factor in the series until Game 4? Kevin Garnett, who had only six points in Game 2 and has played only 30.8 minutes a game for the series?

The fact is Bryant has been by far the most productive player, and the only reason the Celtics are ahead is because five of the next six best players (the four above and supersub Glen Davis) have been wearing green. If series MVP voters are using their heads and not their hearts, Bryant is an obvious pick even with his team trailing.

There's an irony here, of course. I mentioned above that only one player has won Finals MVP in a losing effort; it was Bryant's idol and mentor, former Lakers star Jerry West. Wait, there's more. It came in the 1969 Finals … against the Celtics … against a veteran Boston team, in fact, that had won only 48 games and was seeded just fourth in the Eastern Conference at the start of the playoffs. L.A. ended up losing Game 7 at home despite 42 points, 13 rebounds and 12 assists from West.

A lot of water still has to go under the bridge for Kobe to join West, but suffice it to say that if Kobe goes for 42, 13 and 12 in a losing effort in the finale the award is probably his regardless of what anyone on the Celtics does.

Of course, Kobe would only join West if the Lakers did, in fact, lose the series. He could also go down in history more happily if the Lakers win the final two games. At this point I'd say it's a foregone conclusion that he'll win the award if that happens, with Gasol having essentially eliminated himself from further consideration with his performances in Games 4 and 5 and no other player coming close to Bryant statistically.

Alas, the odds of L.A. winning both games are not great. While the Lakers pulled the feat off against Detroit in 1988, historically teams trailing 3-2 in the Finals have lost the series 34 times out of 40. The last team to win in such circumstances was Houston in 1994; since then the past eight teams to lead 3-2 have won the series (Chicago in 1996, 1997 and 1998, L.A. in 2000, San Antonio in 2003 and 2005, Miami in 2006 and Boston in 2008).

However, optimists will point out that only Miami in 2006 and Chicago in 1998 were playing on the road in those final two games. Since the league went to a 2-3-2 format, teams coming home with a 3-2 deficit have won twice (Houston in 1994, L.A. in 1988) and lost four times (Dallas in 2006, Utah in 1998, Boston in 1985 and Phoenix in 1993).

Nonetheless, it's hard to be encouraged about the Lakers' plight right now, as one wonders where additional help may come from for Bryant. Most crucially, center Andrew Bynum has to play on a short turnaround after a six-hour flight; flying tends to hurt players recuperating from injuries because it encourages swelling and stiffness (the Celtics won't practice on Monday before heading to L.A. for that exact reason).

And few have forgotten that it was Bynum's absence that allowed Boston to bully Gasol, Lamar Odom and any other Lakers not wearing No. 24 in the 2008 Finals.

Thus, the odds are looking long for the Lakers' hopes of claiming a repeat championship, and all the talk about Bryant joining Magic in L.A.'s five-rings club may be wasted breath. Instead, there's a decent chance Bryant will join another legendary Laker in the history books, in a way that he probably wished he wouldn't.]

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Bleu Star;3433348 said:

yes they are, the betting lines are set so people bet evenly, not what they think will happen, thats why you see teams like the lakers, cowboys and yankees being favorites very often, more people bet on those teams than say, the twins or something.

but i do agree that this series is far from over, i think the celtics will win though because they have figured out that there is no stopping kobe, but you can stop everyone else. also, i hate to admit it, but bynum is HUGE for the lakers vs boston, they really miss him and i can see why lakers fans think that they could have won in 08 with him, he makes a big difference defensively and with rebounds
 

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Encore;3433298 said:


If the Celtics hold on to win and a player on the losing team wins the MVP that is just stupid. I've always thought that was stupid. It's one of the dumbest things that can possibly happen in sports. Thankfully it doesn't happen often.

How a person can possibly be the MVP of the series, or game, when his team didn't win is beyond me. If you don't win you're not more valuable to your team, or the series, then one of the guys on the team who actually won it.
 

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BraveHeartFan;3433352 said:
If the Celtics hold on to win and a player on the losing team wins the MVP that is just stupid. I've always thought that was stupid. It's one of the dumbest things that can possibly happen in sports. Thankfully it doesn't happen often.

How a person can possibly be the MVP of the series, or game, when his team didn't win is beyond me. If you don't win you're not more valuable to your team, or the series, then one of the guys on the team who actually won it.

As much of a Laker fan as I am, I have to wholeheartedly agree with this. That is just plain dumb. I love Kobe's game but it's all about team success to me. If the Lakers win, he is the clear MVP. If they lose, I just don't see it.
 

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SLATEmosphere;3433377 said:
lol. You're pathetic. Talk about grasping at straws.

And :laugh2: at Kobe winning Finals MVP even when they lose

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

Odds don't lie. :D

I'm not sure why you're finding humor in my statement on MVP but rock on LeMad fan. ;)
 

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Bleu Star;3433409 said:
Odds don't lie. :D

I'm not sure why you're finding humor in my statement on MVP but rock on LeMad fan. ;)

Odds? Didn't you just post a spread? I dont know how that justifys anything lol. So if the Lakers win by only 3, then the Celtics won because they covered the spread.

Doesn't matter. This **** will be closed out tonight:D
 

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i think the finals mvp if the celtics win will be whomever plays the best between rondo and pierce in the winning game, whether it be game 6 or 7. right now id lean towards pierce
 

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MC KAos;3433636 said:
i think the finals mvp if the celtics win will be whomever plays the best between rondo and pierce in the winning game, whether it be game 6 or 7. right now id lean towards pierce

I would have to lean towards Rondo. His game has been consistently solid all series long and he has given us fits. Pierce really just got off in game 5. That all won't matter though. :)

On another note, Izzo turns down LeMadville... lol
 

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Bleu Star;3434152 said:
I would have to lean towards Rondo. His game has been consistently solid all series long and he has given us fits. Pierce really just got off in game 5. That all won't matter though. :)

On another note, Izzo turns down LeMadville... lol

Of course he turned it down. LeBron is handcuffing that franchise and it's not really fair. He's acting like a premadonna.
 

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SLATEmosphere;3434166 said:
Of course he turned it down. LeBron is handcuffing that franchise and it's not really fair. He's acting like a premadonna.
yeah i'm kinda disappointed in the way he's handling this whole "where will Lebron go" fiasco. he's gonna stay in Cleveland where he can get the most money and there's really no where for him to go that would be an upgrade.
 
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