He wants out - Jason Taylor Open to Leaving

[YosemiteSam]

Once again, no transition necessary.

Yes there would. You only *think* there wouldn't. Just because he has played in a zone blitz, doesn't mean he can play outside linebacker. They are two different postitions.

 

[austintodallas]

Yes there would. You only *think* there wouldn't. Just because he has played in a zone blitz, doesn't mean he can play outside linebacker. They are two different postitions.

He has been playing standup OLB for 2 seasons now at Miami. They run the 3-4. He does still put his hand on the ground alot though.

Actually he is exactly what Ellis is, just better.

 

[superpunk]

He has been playing standup OLB for 2 seasons now at Miami. They run the 3-4. He does still put his hand on the ground alot though.

Actually he is exactly what Ellis is, just better.

They run a hybrid, more of just a pressure defense. The majority of the time, Taylor does play with his hand on the ground - but they do use him pretty extensively as LB, or as a DE dropping into coverage. He's a beast, and while there clearly would be some transition - if Greg Ellis can do it, surely a guy who has twice Ellis' athletic ability would have no trouble at all.

 

[Kilyin]

The guy is still productive. Look at Seau in NE.

What has Seau done except snap his arm in half and get a few lucky interceptions?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The guy is a great pass rusher, but I don't think he could make the same transistion that Ellis did at this point in his career. I'm not sure if he has lost a step this year, or he doesn't have the same level of competent pass rush on the other side to help free him up.

That same kind of lost a step that Moss lost? hmm....


If Jason were to be on the Cowboys....

Wade: "Jason"

Jason: "Yes?"

Wade: "I think you have lost and step.... I dont think you can still get to the QB"

Jason: "Rips down Dallas sign from fan....sacks the fan and many QB's"




I think Jerry should have tried to get this guy. THIS DEFENSE will not take us all the way.

 

[austintodallas]

They run a hybrid, more of just a pressure defense. The majority of the time, Taylor does play with his hand on the ground - but they do use him pretty extensively as LB, or as a DE dropping into coverage. He's a beast, and while there clearly would be some transition - if Greg Ellis can do it, surely a guy who has twice Ellis' athletic ability would have no trouble at all.

Well put. Agreed.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

What has Seau done except snap his arm in half and get a few lucky interceptions?

Let me see... what would I prefer.....


a few lucky INT's

OR

opposing team sustaining drives and scoring...

hmmmm......

 

[joseephuss]

What has Seau done except snap his arm in half and get a few lucky interceptions?

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[khiladi]

Seriously...

IPeople are saying Greg Ellis can play after an achilles tear, do you think that Jason Taylor, who skill-wise is light years ahead of Ellis, can clearly cover much better than Ellis, and is an all-around better pass rusher than Ellis, and has never had a serious injury like Greg Ellis isn't going to help??? Wow...

Further, it is clear that Taylor wants to play on a winning team now, meaning that money is not a priority. I am sure a contender can get him for a fairly reasonable price. You don't leave a place like Miami, unless you want to win...

Jason has enough left in the tank to go a couple more years. The guy was MVP last year, and was the complete beast. Miami this year is just an atrocity, that even Taylor can't help. Jason will be a significant piece of the puzzle for any contending team he is traded to.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Seriously...

If people are saying Greg Ellis can play after an achilles tear, do you think that Jason Taylor, who skill-wise is light years ahead of Ellis, can clearly cover much better than Ellis, and is an all-around better pass rusher than Ellis, and has never had a serious injury like Greg Ellis isn't going to help. Further, it is clear that Taylor wants to play on a winning team now, meaning that money is not a priority. I am sure a contender can get him for a fairly reasonable price. You don't leave a place like Miami, unless you want to win...

Jason has enough left in the tank to go a couple more years. The guy was MVP last year, and was the complete beast. Miami this year is just an atrocity, that even Taylor can't help. Jason will be a significant piece of the puzzle for any contending team he is traded to.

There is "still life" in Jason Taylor.... "physically"..... if he came here.... he would get back the "mentally"

 

[Kilyin]

Let me see... what would I prefer.....


a few lucky INT's

OR

opposing team sustaining drives and scoring...

hmmmm......

Let me see...

.... did 99% of our drives get stopped by self inflicted (and sometimes bogus) penalties? Or was it that bonehead interception that Romo threw to Seau after the game was pretty much already done?

It sure as heck wasn't NE's defense that stopped us, that's for sure.

hmmmm.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Let me see...

.... did 99% of our drives get stopped by self inflicted (and sometimes bogus) penalties? Or was it that bonehead interception that Romo threw to Seau after the game was pretty much already done?

It sure as heck wasn't NE's defense that stopped us, that's for sure.

hmmmm.

:

Well wasnt Seau on the field for a bunch of our three and outs.

Look that is not even my point. My point IS: Taylor has something left. It could help us. AND He is better than Seau anyways. He could come cheap and barring injury he would be a force.

 

[CF74]

I have a feeling he may end up in Tampa...

 

[Kangaroo]

Can he play Cornerback?

:fact::fact::fact::fact::fact:

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Can he play Cornerback?

:fact::fact::fact::fact: |borrowed, will return |

Can I borrow one of your fact alert emoticons?
:fact:He can HELP our Cornerbacks but HELPNIG to get pressure on QB's

 

[AsthmaField]

They run a hybrid, more of just a pressure defense. The majority of the time, Taylor does play with his hand on the ground - but they do use him pretty extensively as LB, or as a DE dropping into coverage. He's a beast, and while there clearly would be some transition - if Greg Ellis can do it, surely a guy who has twice Ellis' athletic ability would have no trouble at all.

You beat me to it.

Taylor has been playing some 3-4 OLB already for Dom Capers (a noted 3-4 coach). Capers was the D coordinator for Saban and still is for their new coach. While Taylor has put his hand in the dirt a lot... he's also stood up and played a lot as well.

He'd be able to step right in a play here. Particularly with Phillips running the D, because no matter what else you want to say about Wade... he does put people in positions that best suit their ability.

Taylor would play in our nickel and play some standing up. Give him a little more rest than he's getting in Miami and he'd be very productive, IMO.

It would have to be next year now, though... and it would have to be at the right price. I wouldn't give up a whole lot for him.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You beat me to it.

Taylor has been playing some 3-4 OLB already for Dom Capers (a noted 3-4 coach). Capers was the D coordinator for Saban and still is for their new coach. While he has put his hand in the dirt a lot... he's also stood up and played a lot as well.

He'd be able to step right in a play here. Particularly with Phillips running the D, because no matter what else you want to say about Wade... he does put people in positions that best suit their ability.

Taylor would play in our nickel and play some standing up. Give him a little more rest than he's getting in Miami and he'd be very productive, IMO.

It would have to be next year now, though... and it would have to be at the right price. I wouldn't give up a whole lot for him.

A meeting with Wade and Jerry LOL


Wade to Jerry: "If Miami dies Jerry, you make the deal?"
A Miami Fan overhears and says: "Thats easy for you to say Wade, Miami is not your team"

 

[superpunk]

You beat me to it.

Taylor has been playing some 3-4 OLB already for Dom Capers (a noted 3-4 coach). Capers was the D coordinator for Saban and still is for their new coach. While Taylor has put his hand in the dirt a lot... he's also stood up and played a lot as well.

He'd be able to step right in a play here. Particularly with Phillips running the D, because no matter what else you want to say about Wade... he does put people in positions that best suit their ability.

Taylor would play in our nickel and play some standing up. Give him a little more rest than he's getting in Miami and he'd be very productive, IMO.

It would have to be next year now, though... and it would have to be at the right price. I wouldn't give up a whole lot for him.

It would be an ideal place for Taylor to extend his career, as well.

Someone mentioned New England before. Taylor is exactly the type of player they pick up. They figure out who gave them trouble when they played them, and wait for them to become available and sign them. Noone gives them more trouble than Taylor - not even close.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is interesting.

If a deal were to be made here, Jimmy would be the guy to go to for the real G2 on Taylor. I suspect that the endorsment would be strong from Jimmy Johnson.

Taylor would fit perfectly IMO. You don't sign guys to long contracts who are long in the tooth for big money. You can sign guys who are older and still producing. Right now, Taylor is playing at a DPOY level and I don't know how you can't say he would not be an improvement to any defense. Who ever said that this is exactly the kind of player NE goes after is exactly right IMO. There are tons of examples of succesful teams going out and signing older players just like this.

NE has made a living on it. We signed Haley. We signed Ditka, Jackie Smith, Lance Allworth, Forrest Gregg, Tommy McDonald, Herb Adderley just off the top of my head. KC signed Marcus Allen and Joe Cool and had big success. Niners signed Fred Dean, Wendell Tyler, Russ Francis, Wes Chandler, Ricky Jackson, Richard Dent, Tim Harris, Charles Mann and Lee Woodall in there SuperBowl runs. There are a lot of examples of teams signing older players that are still productive and having big success with them.

If we could figure out a sensible way to do it, I'd do it.

 

[AsthmaField]

It would be an ideal place for Taylor to extend his career, as well.

Someone mentioned New England before. Taylor is exactly the type of player they pick up. They figure out who gave them trouble when they played them, and wait for them to become available and sign them. Noone gives them more trouble than Taylor - not even close.

Precisely.

I know some people would rather go to somewhat of a youth movement... and I feel that way in some respects as well. However, Taylor is really a talent. Of course you'd rather have him when he was younger and in his prime. That way you could count on him being around and helping in the long run. The thing is though... you don't get a chance to pick up a player like Taylor when they're in their prime (unless a team is stupid like Arizona letting L. Davis go). They just don't hit the market. We all knew Indy would find a way to sign Freeny and of course, they did.

No, the chance to add a player like Taylor... without giving up too much in return, or using a first round pick to draft him... is a very good opportunity. Rebuilding teams wouldn't be interested because by the time they're contending, Taylor would be retiring... however, teams like New England will add a guy like him and make a very good team even better for the next couple of seasons. And, with it as difficult as it is to win a super bowl... if you're a contender, I don't know why you wouldn't want to add a catalytic player like Taylor.

It really is like the Haley pick-up, in my mind... add an impact player to an already talented roster and it could be the difference to put a team over the top.

I mean, who knows? If we had Taylor and he makes one more impact defensive play than we had against New England... it might have changed things. Maybe not, for sure... but you get the point. Impact plays change the outcome of games and only a handful are made each week. Given the chance to add a guy like Taylor at a reasonable cost... I'd jump at every day of the week when you have cap room like we do.

Could we get him at a reasonable cost? That is the million dollar question.

JMO, of course.