Hell has Frozen Over... Pigs are Flying... and...

[DallasInDC]

ES is finally facing reality.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226039

I know this probably belongs in the NFL Zone but I had to post this link to an article and responses over at ES. It is definetly required reading.

I have never seen ES realistically assess the state of their team before. They finally admit Snyder's FA strategy is flawed after years of proclaiming that the "genius" Snyder was redefining how teams should be built in the FA era; The "saviour" Gibbs has lost it and his effectiveness as HC is somewhere between Norv Turner and Steve Spurrier; The players that before every season are proclaimed as top 5 talent across the board would actually be considered depth on most other teams; and the Skins of the last 15 years have become the new Cardinals, Bengals, Brown...all of which are playing better than the Skins are now.

The following posts just about sums up 95% of the nearly 100 posts in the thread:

We're all hurting. But, this article speaks the truth. A LOT of people who post here still are under the delusion that the Commanders are close with "a play here and a play there." But, the bottom line is we're a flawed team and a dysfunctional organization. Unless things change, you can expect even more seasons like 2007, which harken to the dark days of George Preston Marshall's Commanders that suffered through a good 20 years of mediocre to bad football until Vince Lombardi came to town.

Short of Sean's death this has to be the most depressing article posted on this board this season. And its all so true. So much so its creeping me the hell out.

This is not a good team. Its a flawed team from top to bottom. And I have a dark bad feeling its just not gonna change for the better for years to come.

What can we do? If my blood didn't flow burgundy and gold I would have left so long ago. But I cant. I love this team. I love what it stood for. But its not fun anymore. At all.

I remeber those days. But we had won a superbowl in that decade. The last 15 years have been painful.

What makes me so low right now is this.
1. Our best player is DEAD.

2. Injuries. Injuries have killed us for the last 2yrs.

3.We have a HOF coach that dont even know the rules of football. He cant make Ajustment at halftime.

We have blown 6 Haftime leads.

Our Offense is down right putrid.

We have lost 6 Heart brakers.

4. We lost a game last sunday that we where suppossed to be honoring a fallen brother and lost it in crushing fashion. With that lost, our season is OVER.

5. The Cowboys( our arch Rival) are having the season of there life and they pulled a franchise QB out of there ***, that will be Killing us for the next 8 years.

6. Our young Qb is a turn over Machine and he is not making progress. I love him, but its the truth.

7. We have a bunch old *** players.

8. We wont get a GM.

Now I need a drink.

I really don't think you can call this team talented. There aren't but a few players on this squad one can really and truly build a team around. The o-line is aging, the D line has only one real threat, and he's average at best, Moss is your only real deep threat with no one to compliment him and we have very little in the way of depth. When Snyder bought this team, it inherited a mindset of win now with high-profile free agents and "sexy" first-round draft picks. We did that at the expense of using the rest of the draft to build depth, instead opting to give our draft picks away like candy. Thus, it's more disastrous to this team if it gets hit with injuries than it would be to other teams as they usually have someone who can step in immediately and not cause a noticeable drop-off. The performances of Todd Wade and Jason Fabini on the right side of the offensive line is living proof about our lack of depth.

We've gone 10-18 since that miracle playoff run of 2005 and, unless Snyder really commits to building this team the right way, it's going to get even worse before it gets better.

 

[parchy]

I thought I'd feel at least a little bit of sympathy for the Deadskins at this point, but I really don't.

Aside from the obviously unfortunate Sean Taylor incident, I'm fully enjoying the Skins' ride to the bottom of the bell curve and our meteoric rise to the top.

 

[LeonDixson]

Give them a victory in their next game and they'll be talking Super Bowl again, and coming up with all kinds of rationalizations why they can win it in a rematch against the Cheats.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

couldn't have happened to a better group of individuals

 

[Real1st]

Something my Grandmother told me in 1992

Right after the skins won the 91 superbowl the indians took them to court regarding the name "Commanders". The indians wanted the team to change the name because its a racist name. My grandmother was half indian and she told me that the indians cursed the Commanders because they would not change the name. My grandmother died in 2003 and here in 2007 I have to admit I think she was right.

this kinda freaked me out

 

[SibannacRex]

this kinda freaked me out

Well, the indians have done the same with the Chiefs, baseball Indians and Braves. If there is such thing as a curse, it wouldn't be just directed towards the skins.

 

[D-TownRadio]

this kinda freaked me out

Thats so weird because I am 25% Indian my Grandmother is 100% and she was so upset over the Commanders thing and said basicly the same thing. I was going to post it untill I saw you beat me to it.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Originally Posted by Cyber_Pimp

Something my Grandmother told me in 1992

Right after the skins won the 91 superbowl the indians took them to court regarding the name "Commanders". The indians wanted the team to change the name because its a racist name. My grandmother was half indian and she told me that the indians cursed the Commanders because they would not change the name. My grandmother died in 2003 and here in 2007 I have to admit I think she was right.

this kinda freaked me out

I just wonder if there is a timeframe for said curse... ie. Curse of the Bambino = 86 years..... or is it a lifer

 

[Jerry Tagge]

Joe Gibbs = Chris Webber

 

[sonnyboy]

Oh boy, sounds like hell to me

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Joe Gibbs = Chris Webber

Jerry Tagge = a Favre chucked up INT

 

[Big Dakota]

And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Danny, and Vinny, and Joe, in the kingdom of delusion. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Big Dakota 12-4-07)

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

Joe Gibbs = Chris Webber

and

 

[smarta5150]

and

:spanking:

 

[silverbear]

I thought I'd feel at least a little bit of sympathy for the Deadskins at this point, but I really don't.

Aside from the obviously unfortunate Sean Taylor incident, I'm fully enjoying the Skins' ride to the bottom of the bell curve and our meteoric rise to the top.

That's where I find myself too-- I can sympathize with them about the loss of Sean Taylor, that was a terrible thing... but I am purely ENJOYING watching them struggle the way I predicted they would at the start of the season... it just gets sweeter and sweeter as Skins fans recognize what I've telling them was coming is here now...

Buoyant optimism has been replaced with resigned despair... and in the words of Jackie Gleason, how sweeeeet it is...

 

[LowTech]

The realization of skins fans everywhere, that their team sux in the worst way possible, brings me a joy that is beyond words.

 

[kbman]

The realization of skins fans everywhere, that their team sux in the worst way possible, brings me a joy that is beyond words.

 

[Woods]

Personally, I don't think the Commanders are that bad of a team.

2-3 of their last losses have been due to inexperience at the QB position. That said, I'm not sure if Campbell is the real deal going forward. Sometimes when I watch him, for a young QB, he looks pretty good. Then at the end of the games, he makes stupid decisions.

I don't know if that's his mental make-up (i.e., not good under pressure), or just a lack of experience.

But IF Campbell pans out, on offense at least, they aren't far away. They have a good running game, a decent OL when healthy, a good TE/H Back in Cooley, one good WR in Moss. They need one more WR to complement Moss and consistency at the QB position.

As for their defense, they just aren't good at getting to the QB. They really need a natural pass rusher in the worst way.

Oh, and replace Gibbs with Cower or somebody . . . . I suppose G Williams would likely take over.

Anyway, I think a lot of their problems seem to boil down to bad decisions at the QB position, esp in the 2nd half/4th quarter.

Otherwise, they would probably be a 9-7 type wild card club.

 

[EndGame]

This is particularly satisfying, since Dallas has been there for a long, long time. Think about it...

-Bad coaching (Chan Gaily ... Dave Campo ... even Bill Parcells at times)
-Bad QB play (I won't even bring up the names .. ugh)
-Bad front office management (friends, we're not that far removed from some of Jerry's worst decisions)

Maybe Little Danny has the same kind of epiphany that Jerry seems to have had. I really thought Joe Gibbs would end up teaching him a little, but I guess Joe never was the kind of talent evaluator that Parcells was.

 

[Eddie]

Well, the indians have done the same with the Chiefs, baseball Indians and Braves. If there is such thing as a curse, it wouldn't be just directed towards the skins.

The Commander name is worse than the others because it's a derogatory term like N, Ch, and Sp.

Chief, Indian, and Brave are stereotypical, but not derogatory.