Hell has Frozen Over... Pigs are Flying... and...

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Before the Taylor incident there was a lot of rumbling going on regarding Gibbs and his coaching. I was beginning to think that Gibbs would "retire" after the season, but then the Taylor incident happend. After that horrible incident I thought the whole team and all the fans would rally behind Gibbs and that would keep him there for another year (end of his contract). However, with one swoop of the two hands joining in a "t" shape...he ruined it all again. He'll be gone at the end of the season...as well he should be.
 

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Tra_Col99;1813016 said:
He'll be gone at the end of the season...as well he should be.
I hope not. I wish Snyder give Gibbs a ten year contract extension.
 

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kmd24;1812836 said:
I really think Gibbs gets thrown under the bus because of high expectations. Admittedly, the TO was bad, and he's very conservative, but he is getting a lot out of a not very talented team. In many ways, the Skins of 2005 remind me of the Cowboys of 2003. That Commanders team wasn't very good, but Gibbs managed to keep them in a lot of games and win ten, plus a playoff win despite 120 yards of offense.

I will agree with you that Gibb's has the team playing above their talent level. The skins play hard for Gibb's. The problem with Gibb's is that he no longer knows how to manage a game, make in game adjustments and his philosophy is outdated.

TheSkaven;1812816 said:
I'll be the contrarian here and say that they're really not that bad of a squad. I think their quarterback is young and has shown promise. Their record might not show it, but I think they're a better team than the Giants and Eagles. I also think they're the only team left on our schedule that has a chance of handing us an "L".

For this year, I will say they are average at best. The problem facing the Skins is they are not positioned to improve over the next couple of years.

1. The game has passed Gibb's by just like it did with Parcell's but unlike Parcell's he no longer knows how to manage a game and is a poor evaluator of talent Also, their seems to be a lack of cohesiveness with the coaching staff. This could be the result of having both of the coordinators paid like HC's.

2. The Team is old - the average age of their current roster heading into next year is 29.5 yrs. They have 24 players or 45% of their 53 man roster over 30 (including 8 players 35 or older). 12 of those players are consider core starters.
- The entire starting OL is over 30 and 7 of their 11 OL on the roster is over 30 with the only one showing any promise is Heyer. I know OL can play well into their 30's but it can't be good to have your entire unit at that stage of their career. Hell, we only have Flo who is over 30 and we are complaining about his age.
- The defensive Front seven has 4 of their starters over 30 including 36 yr old Phillip Daniels and 33 yr old Fletcher.
- Shawn springs will be 34 and is often injured.

3. Their WR core is a mess. their #1 WR Moss is no more than #2 on most teams and seems to always have hamstring problems. ARE really should be #3. Their depth includes 38 yr old McCardell and 31 yr old James Thrash. McCardell couldn't make it on probably 90% of the other rosters and Thrash is really only a special teams player.

4. Clinton Portis may be slowing down a bit and Betts has disappeared after getting his new contract. I know the injuries to the OL has played a part in Portis' effectiveness but watching him play it seems that he is starting to be less of the impact player.

5. They have the least amount of cap space of all 32 teams, and I have read, they maybe over the projected cap next year. either way, they are at a competitve disadvantage. We all know how Snyder manages the cap by converting bonus options to signing bonuses, but with so many of the players over thirty this will only hinder the rebuilding process/youth movement.

6. lack of real GM and personnel department. Regardless of everything written above, this will be what keeps the skins wallowing in mediocracy. we were fortunate that JJ was willing to humble himself and learn from others who knew more than him and change his ways. Until Snyder does the same, the franchise will never improve.

Net-Net, the skins have entirely too many issues to address, to make this a quick turnaround. It will continue to get worse before it gets better and I will enjoy every minute of it.
 

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Big Dakota;1812506 said:
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Danny, and Vinny, and Joe, in the kingdom of delusion. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Big Dakota 12-4-07)

:laugh1: :laugh1:

Awesome.
 

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DallasInDC;1813064 said:
For this year, I will say they are average at best. The problem facing the Skins is they are not positioned to improve over the next couple of years.

1. The game has passed Gibb's by just like it did with Parcell's but unlike Parcell's he no longer knows how to manage a game and is a poor evaluator of talent Also, their seems to be a lack of cohesiveness with the coaching staff. This could be the result of having both of the coordinators paid like HC's.

2. The Team is old - the average age of their current roster heading into next year is 29.5 yrs. They have 24 players or 45% of their 53 man roster over 30 (including 8 players 35 or older). 12 of those players are consider core starters.
- The entire starting OL is over 30 and 7 of their 11 OL on the roster is over 30 with the only one showing any promise is Heyer. I know OL can play well into their 30's but it can't be good to have your entire unit at that stage of their career. Hell, we only have Flo who is over 30 and we are complaining about his age.
- The defensive Front seven has 4 of their starters over 30 including 36 yr old Phillip Daniels and 33 yr old Fletcher.
- Shawn springs will be 34 and is often injured.

3. Their WR core is a mess. their #1 WR Moss is no more than #2 on most teams and seems to always have hamstring problems. ARE really should be #3. Their depth includes 38 yr old McCardell and 31 yr old James Thrash. McCardell couldn't make it on probably 90% of the other rosters and Thrash is really only a special teams player.

4. Clinton Portis may be slowing down a bit and Betts has disappeared after getting his new contract. I know the injuries to the OL has played a part in Portis' effectiveness but watching him play it seems that he is starting to be less of the impact player.

5. They have the least amount of cap space of all 32 teams, and I have read, they maybe over the projected cap next year. either way, they are at a competitve disadvantage. We all know how Snyder manages the cap by converting bonus options to signing bonuses, but with so many of the players over thirty this will only hinder the rebuilding process/youth movement.

6. lack of real GM and personnel department. Regardless of everything written above, this will be what keeps the skins wallowing in mediocracy. we were fortunate that JJ was willing to humble himself and learn from others who knew more than him and change his ways. Until Snyder does the same, the franchise will never improve.

Net-Net, the skins have entirely too many issues to address, to make this a quick turnaround. It will continue to get worse before it gets better and I will enjoy every minute of it.
That made a hell of a lot of sense. Nice job!
 

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WV Cowboy;1812814 said:
Mon through Sat I view them as a professional sports organization that lost a member of their family.

I feel grief for their loss, and compassion for their pain. (although the biggest part of my grief & compassion is for ST's immediate family)

But on Sundays they become the stinkin' Washington Commanders again and I hope they lose every game, .. the more painful and embarassing the better. (Sunday was great!, .. the Pats game as well!)

I feel bad for the loss of a player, but I have not suddenly become a Commander fan in any way.

:suxskins: :skins: :dissskin:
GREAT POST,you took the word right out of my mouth...i felt terrible when that happened to ST and feel worse for his family,but for the FORSKINS...NEVER.GO COWBOYS
 

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Eddie;1812954 said:
Honestly, I would be quite offended if a major league team named itself:

the Ch*nks
the Chinamen
the Yellowskins
the Slanteyes

Just take a step back and look from someone else's perspective.
And since im ITAILAN...you can add wop and dego to that list:starspin
 

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Teams arn't usually named after low status groups. If folks named their teams in a derogatory manner, the south in the thirties would be overrun with teams using names that would get me banned.
 

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bigE79;1813453 said:
And since im ITAILAN...you can add wop and dego to that list:starspin

Well I'm part North American Indian and a bunch of Scot and Irish. So what Scot/Irish words should I start getting all pissy about???? I want to know, so I don't offend myself and sue
 

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TheSkaven;1812816 said:
I'll be the contrarian here and say that they're really not that bad of a squad. I think their quarterback is young and has shown promise. Their record might not show it, but I think they're a better team than the Giants and Eagles. I also think they're the only team left on our schedule that has a chance of handing us an "L".

I agree with you to some degree. I don't think they're better than the Giants or Eagles but Campbell will be a decent to good QB and they have talent at various positions. Taylor's death really hurt them and their o-line is getting old and misses a lot of games due to injuries, if they don't fix the line they'll never be a good team.
 
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