Helmet to Helmet QB Hit

[Hoods]

That's exactly right. The helmet to helmet makes it more egregious obviously, but it is a penalty if he is hit once he starts his slide.

Agreed though I think he started sliding late, which is probably why the refs didn't give him the benefit of the doubt. Adam is correct however that spearing should have been called.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Actually when a QB gives up or slides any contact to the head is a penalty.

This was my complaint. Dak started a slide and the defender engaged contact.

 

[Idgit]

Obvious penalty. They just missed it. Somehow.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

It was the same type of thing when we played GB and they got that call when they were backed up on the goal line. The defender lowered his head and hit with the crown of the helmet, automatic penalty (when Arod is the QB). It was a missed call, it should have been a flag, and for Troy to say it was a good non call is just stupid on his part.

 

[AdamJT13]

Actually when a QB gives up or slides any contact to the head is a penalty.

Unless the refs determine he didn't slide early enough.

 

[AdamJT13]

That's exactly right. The helmet to helmet makes it more egregious obviously, but it is a penalty if he is hit once he starts his slide.

Not necessarily. It depends on whether a) the defender "has already committed himself" and b) the slide begins "before contact by a defensive player is imminent."

 

[links18]

No contact?

No helmet to helmet contact. It looks like it hit him in the shoulder pad. But yes, that kind of play gets a flag often regardless.

 

[Lutonio]

I was shocked they didn't call it. Especially since it was only 3 days after Alonso turned Flacco into a Pez dispenser.

 

[Longboysfan]

The Dak play should have been a penalty for spearing ("leading with the top/crown of the helmet"), and the helmet-to-helmet part doesn't matter. A quarterback loses helmet-to-helmet protection when he becomes a runner.

Yes. But he was just about completed his slide.

 

[Verdict]

Not necessarily. It depends on whether a) the defender "has already committed himself" and b) the slide begins "before contact by a defensive player is imminent."

Yes. My point was it didn't need to be helmet to helmet for a penalty or a ("pelaty") to be assessed.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I think this situation has to do with the acting job of Cousins versus Dak. Cousins got up pointing at his head, whereas Dak got up like nothing happened. It occurred to me that maybe (just maybe) the official was waiting for an indication that never came and let it go.

That doesn't make it right, but a good acting job, I think, goes a long way in inviting the flag to be thrown.

Dak should get used to the Romo treatment from the refs now. Ain’t going to be any roughing flags anymore.

 

[jday]

Dak should get used to the Romo treatment from the refs now. Ain’t going to be any roughing flags anymore.

Well, like I said, I'm more inclined to believe that had Dak done a better job of selling the hit to the head the ref would have called it, versus assuming there is a conspiracy against Dallas. The nugget that exposes the last time the Cowboys enjoyed a holding call in their favor lends more to that argument than the no-helmet to helmet penalty, but that's just my opinion.

At the end of the day, if anything is exposed and nothing is done to fix it, I'll probably stop watching football...and I'm in no way interested in that becoming a reality.

 

[CCBoy]

The Dak play should have been a penalty for spearing ("leading with the top/crown of the helmet"), and the helmet-to-helmet part doesn't matter. A quarterback loses helmet-to-helmet protection when he becomes a runner.

Not when the quarterback goes into the protective slide...and the spearing highlights the misconduct, and intended results.

 

[CCBoy]

Well, like I said, I'm more inclined to believe that had Dak done a better job of selling the hit to the head the ref would have called it, versus assuming there is a conspiracy against Dallas. The nugget that exposes the last time the Cowboys enjoyed a holding call in their favor lends more to that argument than the no-helmet to helmet penalty, but that's just my opinion.

At the end of the day, if anything is exposed and nothing is done to fix it, I'll probably stop watching football...and I'm in no way interested in that becoming a reality.

One either enforces the rules, or have arbitrary use of standards. Kind of like taking two steps with control after a catch, and that being a runner's defined situation.

Dallas was burned by rule applications...and now, by 31 October, courts will again rule upon fair applications of standards under protections of a Union Contract.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

No helmet to helmet contact. It looks like it hit him in the shoulder pad. But yes, that kind of play gets a flag often regardless.

It looked like helmet to helmet to me and I looked at it 3 times..

 

[Beast_from_East]

Well, like I said, I'm more inclined to believe that had Dak done a better job of selling the hit to the head the ref would have called it, versus assuming there is a conspiracy against Dallas. The nugget that exposes the last time the Cowboys enjoyed a holding call in their favor lends more to that argument than the no-helmet to helmet penalty, but that's just my opinion.

At the end of the day, if anything is exposed and nothing is done to fix it, I'll probably stop watching football...and I'm in no way interested in that becoming a reality.

If you want to tell yourself all these one sided calls are just coincidence, go ahead.

All I know is that when you look over the past three games and we have like 16 hold calls and our opponents have zilch, it ain’t no dam coincidence.

But like I said, feel free to believe otherwise

 

[drawandstrike]

There's no question this was a helmet to helmet hit where the defender led with the crown.



Since it happened with multiple officials watching the play, the mystery is why it wasn't CALLED.

Now seen from the back angle it MIGHT have looked like 'incidental contact'. Only when you see if from the front can you tell how bad the spearing was.

 

[speedkilz88]

It was the same type of thing when we played GB and they got that call when they were backed up on the goal line. The defender lowered his head and hit with the crown of the helmet, automatic penalty (when Arod is the QB). It was a missed call, it should have been a flag, and for Troy to say it was a good non call is just stupid on his part.

Only that one there wasn't contact.

 

[BigDPlayer]

Only that one there wasn't contact.

UNREAL! Just wow.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

There's no question this was a helmet to helmet hit where the defender led with the crown.



Since it happened with multiple officials watching the play, the mystery is why it wasn't CALLED.

Now seen from the back angle it MIGHT have looked like 'incidental contact'. Only when you see if from the front can you tell how bad the spearing was.

I don't know how anyone can't see that's helmet to helmet. Plus he's down on the ground.