Help! Adam can you clarify Commanders cap?

[Daniel Synder]

and remember, along with all the other explanations of cuts and lavar and the CBA... Brunell also restructured his deal...again. what a nice guy. i probably didn't even need to hire Suge Knight to take him out to dinner.

 

[playit12]

Fauria will probably fill spot of blocking TE although I hear hes not the best at it. We got portis to be the best blocking RB so I think we can get Fauria to do it as well.

Pierson can play at FS I believe and we are still trying to get Clark back but i doubt that wil happen.

We have 3 needs now if we get Abe which are 2ndary and Olineman and maybe Linebacker. Probably we will draft for all of those with our numerous picks : but I dont think it will matter. GWs system is made so you can just plug in a guy for them to do well so this is where faith comes in for us skins fans. I believe if we need to, we will just plug in a guy and he will do what is asked for. So because of this, I dont think we have that big of need for a young great rookie.

I thought Pierson signed elsewhere?

I think you have needs at DT, MLB, WLB, CB/NB, and depth issues at both Safeties.

Some of that will probably be filled in the draft, but it's hard to say. I really think your biggest issues are going to be at MLB and DT. You guys really strugled at MLB last year and your DTs are getting any younger. I also think you're going to need more depth at TE, DE, and O-Line.

You guys have a good starting 5 along the O-Line, but virtually no one behind them. I would be shocked if your first draft choice didn't address this in part.

As for GW's system... no system really allows for plug-in players. He has had success with the players he's had, but for the most part they are talented players. This is especially true for guys like Griffen who drastically improved upon signing with the Skins. However the cracks started to show in the D last year, and I expect to see that increase again this year. The D is only as strong as it's weakest link and you guys are one torn ligament away from a gapping whole.

 

[kingwhicker]

MIFBIS refers to the Washington Commanders fan base- the Most Ignorant Fan Base In Sports (MIFBIS). The existence of posters like NedK, Daniel Synder, and comments (paraphrased) like we turned Portis into the best blocking rb in football (not even close) and we'll do the same for Fauria at TE (not even in Gibbs' wildest dreams) perpetuate this fact as do the always classic making up of regular season, playoff, and Super Bowl wins that never happened.

 

[Joe Gibbs II]

I thought Pierson signed elsewhere?

I think you have needs at DT, MLB, WLB, CB/NB, and depth issues at both Safeties.

Some of that will probably be filled in the draft, but it's hard to say. I really think your biggest issues are going to be at MLB and DT. You guys really strugled at MLB last year and your DTs are getting any younger. I also think you're going to need more depth at TE, DE, and O-Line.

You guys have a good starting 5 along the O-Line, but virtually no one behind them. I would be shocked if your first draft choice didn't address this in part.

As for GW's system... no system really allows for plug-in players. He has had success with the players he's had, but for the most part they are talented players. This is especially true for guys like Griffen who drastically improved upon signing with the Skins. However the cracks started to show in the D last year, and I expect to see that increase again this year. The D is only as strong as it's weakest link and you guys are one torn ligament away from a gapping whole.

Honestly, 70% of that is factually wrong. Griffin has been good for us, but I think he has come a little short on some expectations. Still great, but he dropped off a little this year. Statistically a wash.

Also, our MLB, Lemar Marshall has been amazing this year for us. 98 tackles, 2 HUGE INTS and thats with his 1st year as MLB.

At DT we are weak in depth(i should have mentioned that in another post), but the ones we got still have 3 or 4 good years left. Cornelius is 29 and Joe is 30, still have good years ahead of them.

As for plugging players in, i think its just a matter of opinion. You could argue that GW made them great players, or you could say they were that anyway.

 

[Joe Gibbs II]

MIFBIS refers to the Washington Commanders fan base- the Most Ignorant Fan Base In Sports (MIFBIS). The existence of posters like NedK, Daniel Synder, and comments (paraphrased) like we turned Portis into the best blocking rb in football (not even close) and we'll do the same for Fauria at TE (not even in Gibbs' wildest dreams) perpetuate this fact as do the always classic making up of regular season, playoff, and Super Bowl wins that never happened.

They said the same thing about these guys named Moss and Portis. Moss was injury proned and too small. Portis could only do well in Denver. Well, they just broke the skins single season rushing and recieving records.

EDIT: sorry for double post.

 

[Gfunk]

Honestly, 70% of that is factually wrong. Griffin has been good for us, but I think he has come a little short on some expectations. Still great, but he dropped off a little this year. Statistically a wash.

how has Griffin come short?

did you not notice that when he returned to the line up, all of a sudden we went on a 6 game win streak?

he's a rare DT that can stuff the run and rush the passer, he demands double teams, which frees up various blitzers

without him our defense is not top 10 2 years in a row​

 

[playit12]

Honestly, 70% of that is factually wrong. Griffin has been good for us, but I think he has come a little short on some expectations. Still great, but he dropped off a little this year. Statistically a wash.

Also, our MLB, Lemar Marshall has been amazing this year for us. 98 tackles, 2 HUGE INTS and thats with his 1st year as MLB.

At DT we are weak in depth(i should have mentioned that in another post), but the ones we got still have 3 or 4 good years left. Cornelius is 29 and Joe is 30, still have good years ahead of them.

As for plugging players in, i think its just a matter of opinion. You could argue that GW made them great players, or you could say they were that anyway.

Not sure where you get the 70% from... but you and I certainly disagree on a few points...

First Marshall was horrible at MLB. Tackles numbers are a very bad way to measure performance of a MLB. How man Tackles for Loss? Forced and Recovered Fumbles? How many runs of 10+ yards did the D give up? MLB has primary responsibility for run stuffing as well.

Marshall is a WLB that should have never had to play MLB. But the Skins didn't have anyone else to play the spot. They could have used Barrow, but injuries and cap figures ended that option.

At WLB, they never found a solution.

As for DT, they have no depth behind Corn and Joe. Which is why neither player started 16 games last season. It's one thing to be 29 and 30, but both those players have been seeing 50+ snaps a game for the past few seasons. They already had drops in performance last year, and I expect greater drops this year.

I'm not sure what else you disagree with.

 

[Joe Gibbs II]

how has Griffin come short?

did you not notice that when he returned to the line up, all of a sudden we went on a 6 game win streak?

he's a rare DT that can stuff the run and rush the passer, he demands double teams, which frees up various blitzers

without him our defense is not top 10 2 years in a row
​

I considered that, but I was merely speaking statistically. The fact is, although he played 3 less games, he had 1/2 as many tackles as the year before. Plus, when he initially got here, they way I percieved his arrival in DC was a big bullying DT that can dominate.

I dunno, maybe im being a little picky and he did have a lot of stats that dont count like forcing a runner to change direction, or plugging a hole. But, I was speaking strictly statistically.

Still think he is an AWESOME DT, just stats dropped off.

 

[playit12]

They said the same thing about these guys named Moss and Portis. Moss was injury proned and too small. Portis could only do well in Denver. Well, they just broke the skins single season rushing and recieving records.

EDIT: sorry for double post.

I never said Portis couldn't do well outside of Denver, but I do stand by my Moss is injury prone statement. One complete season does not negate all of the previous seasons. Going by one season Terry Glenn isn't an injury risk either.

My complaints on Portis were that he wasn't a good fit for the Offensive phisophy that Joe Gibbs wanted to run in year one. While that improved in year 2, I think some aspects of his game were problems. Contrary to what you said, I think Portis might be one of the worst blocking backs in the game. He is constantly out of position and rarely identifies the blitz correctly. He did improve in year two with regards to developing some patience on slow developing run plays, but he still will run in front of his blockers far too often. He's a good player that could be much better. But ask Football Outsiders what the prognosis is for guys that put together back to back 340 carry seasons. Only 3 backs had more carries than Portis last year and that doesn't include the other 33 that he got in the post season. That's 385 Carries in 2005. Including 2003 and before, Football Outsiders identified 10 backs that had more carries in one year. The following year, only two had good seasons (and one of those is named Dickerson). The remaining ones either blew out ACLs (James, Davis, and Anderson), started to suck (George, Lewis and Riggs), or just fell off the face of the earth (Williams and Foster) in the following season. Ready to start Betts?

 

[Idgit]

...But ask Football Outsiders what the prognosis is for guys that put together back to back 340 carry seasons. Only 3 backs had more carries than Portis last year and that doesn't include the other 33 that he got in the post season. That's 385 Carries in 2005. Including 2003 and before, Football Outsiders identified 10 backs that had more carries in one year. The following year, only two had good seasons (and one of those is named Dickerson). The remaining ones either blew out ACLs (James, Davis, and Anderson), started to suck (George, Lewis and Riggs), or just fell off the face of the earth (Williams and Foster) in the following season. Ready to start Betts?

Really? That's pretty interesting. Any more info on that stat from FO?

 

[SkinsFan06]

there is no cap in Washington

thats what it looks like

 

[playit12]

Really? That's pretty interesting. Any more info on that stat from FO?

Let me see if I can find the link...

 

[playit12]

Really? That's pretty interesting. Any more info on that stat from FO?

Here you go.... I think the article was born out of a group of conversations talking about overusing running backs. If you search, you could probably find those too.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ramblings.php?p=236&cat=11

 

[JohnnY]

There is a cap in DC, they just know how to manage it to a T. They are business men guys, plain and simple.

Read this nice article to get a better idea.

http://Commanders.scout.com/2/507127.html

HTTR! HAIL GIBBS!

 

[jrockster77]

MIFBIS refers to the Washington Commanders fan base- the Most Ignorant Fan Base In Sports (MIFBIS). The existence of posters like NedK, Daniel Synder, and comments (paraphrased) like we turned Portis into the best blocking rb in football (not even close) and we'll do the same for Fauria at TE (not even in Gibbs' wildest dreams) perpetuate this fact as do the always classic making up of regular season, playoff, and Super Bowl wins that never happened.

Ironic that someone calling Skins fans "MIFBIS" makes a statement like that about Portis. If you had any knowledge of the NFL, you'd know Portis is indeed one of the best pass-blocking RBs there is.

Let me guess...you think Julius Jones is the best pass-blocking RB in football...

 

[cowboy4life]

It's amazing how when after all these years of us whipping the Commanders and sweeping you under a rug, now all of these Commander fans show up around here. I give credit where its due, you guys swept us. But looking at this year and the future, you really have to be concerned with the unwillingness of building through the draft.

The Cowboys and the Commanders are the two most profitable franchises in the NFL, the skins being #1 in revenue. That is how they can pay these high bonuses year after year; they bring in the money, they put it back in the team. Whereas the Commanders trade away all of their draft picks, the Cowboys try to hoard as many picks as they can. They are very frugal with trading picks for players and they manage their cap well. I think in the long run we are a lot better off since Parcells has been the coach; we have several solid core players(mostly on defense) and we are building a team in my opinion the right way.

The Commanders sacrifice tomorrow for winning today; last year it worked. But avoiding cap hell is what you guys are good at, but you can't do it forever. Arrington forced his release, Samuels is getting tired of restructuring, and Brunell will be a huge burden on the cap when he retires. The chickens are coming home to roost for your cap, eventually.

 

[cowboy4life]

Ironic that someone calling Skins fans "MIFBIS" makes a statement like that about Portis. If you had any knowledge of the NFL, you'd know Portis is indeed one of the best pass-blocking RBs there is.

Let me guess...you think Julius Jones is the best pass-blocking RB in football...

Not even close, but Portis ain't build for blocking either. He won't last two more years carrying the ball as much as he has been. Maybe you guys need to draft a backup; oh wait, you can't.

 

[JohnnY]

Not even close, but Portis ain't build for blocking either. He won't last two more years carrying the ball as much as he has been. Maybe you guys need to draft a backup; oh wait, you can't.

We have 2 backup on our roster. Betts and Cartwright. I dont know if they will keep both, but both produce good for us.

 

[samsnead96]

You guys have to realize it was the 30% rule and the rule of 51 that was screwing the Commanders prior to the new CBA.

It was not their actual cap number.

When the new CBA was agreed upon, they didn't have to deal with that anymore.

Then the league also got a higher salary cap.

And then they saved $4 million on this year's cap with the Arrington deal and also cleared his mammoth yearly salaries off their books in future years.

Cerrato also was on NFL Network and said a ton of their guys restructured ANYWAY after the new CBA was agreed upon.

So they had a lot to work with.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

What cap?