Here Are the Final Two Issues

[Hostile]

Players want a seven-year opt out clause in CBA

7/22/2011 10:54:03 AM

Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports a player vote is still possible today on the proposed labor agreement ratified by NFL owners on Thursday.

There are two key issues the players want the owners to agree to:

• An opt-out clause seven years into the proposed 10-year collective bargaining agreement;

• To be allowed to report to team facilities and vote in person on recertifying as a union.

 

[Hostile]

Agree to both, let's get this over with.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Sounds reasonable.



Which means it won't happen w/o two weeks of negotiation . . .

 

[Fletch]

Can get done. Should get done!

 

[cowboyjoe]

Sounds reasonable.



Which means it won't happen w/o two weeks of negotiation . . .

Yeah, but our players going to come back and say, we have more issues, when is enough enough, and no more. Thats it!

Read this, dont know how true it is:
The same happened with Heath Evans yesterday, he tweeted and was then on one of the Networks, and they kept asking him what was snuck into the agreement, and he wouldn't answer. They later had the Buffalo representative, and he said they didn't even have a copy of the agreement. Then another players said they had the agreement but needed more time to read it. Mort said the NFLPA showed the players a 25 slide power point with the main points of the agreement.

Do they have the agreement or not? If not, why not, why is their leadership not giving them a copy of it? Or do they want to owners to provide a copy for them? Mort also said that Brees has been very upset with De Smith because he won;'t take his calls and won't give him answers when he does talk to him.

They have negotiating everyday for the past 2 months, and the players don't know what they agreed upon? This is tuely amazing.

Then this:
His tweet (roughly paraphrased) after Goodell's press conference: the owners voted on a proposal that we did not agree to. There were things in it that they slipped in. I feel like we have been bamboozled, hoodwinked, tricked, and lied to by the owners.

In the radio interview he said:

1) I didn't watch the press conference.
2) I haven't seen the proposal.
3) I don't know what is in it.

Then read this: sounds like someone is stalling: to get more not interested in settling:

especially since it was reported that he and Goddell were on the phone shortly before the owners met.

It was reported on Mike & Mike this morning by Sal Palentanio (sp) the players were given 99% of the CBA that the owners voted on and that was withheld was some internal financial information for the teams. If you have some other info by all means please share.

 

[THUMPER]

Sounds reasonable.



Which means it won't happen w/o two weeks of negotiation . . .

And 3 more lawsuits. :bang2:

 

[DanTanna]

• An opt-out clause seven years into the proposed 10-year collective bargaining agreement; - Make it 8 years and we are good

• To be allowed to report to team facilities and vote in person on recertifying as a union. - team facilities or the nearest topless bar and we are done!

 

[goshan]

Opt out will be an issue. Depending upon the clause, it basically means its a 7 year deal.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

They should meet halfway on both.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Yeah, but our players going to come back and say, we have more issues, when is enough enough, and no more. Thats it!

Well, then taken to its absurd conclusion of never reaching an agreement, then there will never be another NFL football game.

Calm down and let the process work on its timetable, not yours.

 

[jterrell]

Opt out will be an issue. Depending upon the clause, it basically means its a 7 year deal.

not really... players didn't opt out of the last deal.

it is just protection for both sides in case the deal ends up being one-sided as owner's felt the last one was.

i have zero idea why players want in person votes on facilities though.
how many guys are free agents with no facility to go to?

 

[cowboyjoe]

My next question, when is judge boylan suppose to meet again?

Next, Judge Nelson too?

then when is Judge Doty suppose to rule on TV Revenue against owners, and when is the lawsuit brady vs NFL suppose to take place?

are players and NFLPA stalling till these items come to issue and in place in courts?

 

[cowboyjoe]

Well, then taken to its absurd conclusion of never reaching an agreement, then there will never be another NFL football game.

Calm down and let the process work on its timetable, not yours.

There will be an NFL game, always be replacement players, and high priced players get cut out all together. And fans when they have had enough will walk away.

Both sides are using power plays to try to get what they want, but not considerng the fans.

 

[DeaconBlues]

It was reported on Mike & Mike this morning by Sal Palentanio (sp) the players were given 99% of the CBA that the owners voted on and that was withheld was some internal financial information for the teams. If you have some other info by all means please share.

So, per Sal, the players were not given a full copy of the CBA the owners voted on, and you expect them just to nod their heads and head to camp?

 

[DeaconBlues]

There will be an NFL game, always be replacement players, and high priced players get cut out all together. And fans when they have had enough will walk away.

Both sides are using power plays to try to get what they want, but not considerng the fans.

Neither side considers the fans. Why should they? Until there is a massive fan union where stadium attendance and TV ratings are affected, why should either side?

 

[cowboyjoe]

not really... players didn't opt out of the last deal.

it is just protection for both sides in case the deal ends up being one-sided as owner's felt the last one was.

i have zero idea why players want in person votes on facilities though.
how many guys are free agents with no facility to go to?

Stall tactic to find more loopholes in cba deal from owners, to get more. Look, you could get all players on tweeter or phone to vote, didnt the players do that same thing when they decertified and left the union. Why now do you want 2-3 days to get that done. Stall tactics. Plan and Simple!

 

[Established1971]

Can get done. Should get done!

or as Lou Saban said

"you can get it done, you can get it done, what's more - you gotta get it done"

 

[Hostile]

• An opt-out clause seven years into the proposed 10-year collective bargaining agreement; - Make it 8 years and we are good

• To be allowed to report to team facilities and vote in person on recertifying as a union. - team facilities or the nearest topless bar and we are done!

You kill me.

 

[cowboyjoe]

or as Lou Saban said

"you can get it done, you can get it done, what's more - you gotta get it done"

they dont want to get it done right now, the players, they want to get all they can get first, forget us fans, or how much it will cost us in raised ticket prices, parking, concessions, that the players get a percentage of.


Did the players consider the people that lost jobs at teams facilities due to no Mini camp or OTAs, or the hall of fame game? No!

Players are only in it for themselves and to get money from fans for autographed pictures, jerseys. Not all players are like that, but most are.

Was said loud and clear by de smith, i am not here to serve the owners or the public.
A player rep said same thing, we are not here to serve the owners or the public, only our players, 1900 of us.

thats the attitude of some of the reps, not all of them, but some. Thats the holdup with the greed for more money.

 

[jterrell]

Stall tactic to find more loopholes in cba deal from owners, to get more. Look, you could get all players on tweeter or phone to vote, didnt the players do that same thing when they decertified and left the union. Why now do you want 2-3 days to get that done. Stall tactics. Plan and Simple!

no, they didn't.
they met face to face and and got approval to de-certify well in advance.

but at that point they all had teams and thus facilities to report to.