Here you go Jerry

[Stash]

Don't be naive. Do you really think if Wade wanted him gone he'd still be here?

My gosh.

Who was hired first?

Who is the highest-paid offensive coordinator in the league?

Who was being considered as head coach before Wade ever got the job?

Who is truly being naive here?

 

[Hostile]

Who was hired first?

Who is the highest-paid offensive coordinator in the league?

Who was being considered as head coach before Wade ever got the job?

Who is truly being naive here?

We both are. Happy?

Why do you think I don't understand Garrett was hired first? Never mind, I don't care.

 

[TheDude]

I never wanted Pacman, Owens, or any of the other malcontents we did acquire. I never wanted Jon Kitna, Vinny Testaverde, Brad Johnson, or any other dinosaur retread QB. Instead I have wanted younger guys. Is that substance enough for you? Probably not because me being honest will never suffice with your pre-conceived idea of what I think.

I am not saying you think anything. You say/write to defend Jerry for not being responsible for personell or talent as he has "football guys". Fine. His delegated "football guys" are atrocious. Proof will be the prominent jobs they land year end.

1, 2, and 3 bore the hell out of me, and I could care less about giving you an answer to them. Assign me an answer and go with it I suppose. That'd be par for the course.

I know, the question is almost rhetorical. You can't excuse the indictment of the Phillips/Garret/Jones era failing. The main job of "football guys" in GM roles is to acquire potential and talent and for coaches to develop that talent.

F-------

thanks for not embarrassing yourself with a real answer and simultaneously portraying your typical condescending tone. You have learned weel from the style and no substance regime you love.

The entire team from Jerry to Jesse Holley is responsible for being 1-5. I put the majority of it on Wade's doorstep and so does he. The team was not ready. Jerry has some fault in this for damned sure.

I have not been talking about fault. I have been talking about assignments and duties.

Agreed. But failing at your duty and your assignments get you fired in the real world. Lack of clear vision and accountability expedite failure. Ultimately the buck stops somewhere, and Jerry's last 3 years are crap

5 bores me. Assign me an answer again.

OK, Christopher Hitchens in a debate you are not.

Stephen could, but no one is going to even make him an offer because it would be futile. He has a stake in this team that no team can match. Silly question.

I have. I've also said I'd love to have Ozzie Newsome or Bill Polian. I was a big time coveter of Ron Wolf. I've also said I trust the football skills of Tom Ciskowski..

Well Ciz had 2009-10 and other than Dez....our ST draft is about 100% gone.

And thequestion isn't if Stephen would take a job, it was if he would be offered. You think so. You also think Garrett is a good ROI. Your rationale would need more explaining


Thanks for answering the "non rhetorical' questions and the fact you don't condemn the record of talent development under Philips/garrett/Ciz/Jones from Parcells/Sparano/Ireland/Payton/Jones and answer with condescension says more about your character than mine

Oh joy, oh rapture. Bring them on I suppose.

I have no more use for you in this thread. I'll continue to lose respect for you passively. You are emotionally attached and you can't argue with Baghdad Bob

 

[Stash]

Name me one coach who has ever not wanted this job when it was available. Name me one coach who ever declined to interview here. Name me one coach who turns us down because of Jones conditions.

Those names are never mentioned because it never gets past the preliminary stages. Coaching searches aren't handled like normal job interviews where someobdy walks in off the street. Plenty of 'feelers' occur before anything ever happens officially, and most never know about them. You yourself should be well aware of that. Do you think Jerry would ever publicly announce interest in a coach knowing he couldn't get him?

I am going to regret this. Cowher is already considering this job. I will not be shocked if he takes Carolina over this one, but it will be because that is where he lives and he loves it there.

I will be. Because the only factor involved in Carolina is location. Not one single other factor. The cupboard's bare, the ownership is cheap, the market is small, the team is irrelevant and it will be 5 years before they're a playoff team.

Carolina can't compete with Dallas in the areas of talent, schemes, profile, salary, and an owner willing to spend. The only factor which would go against the Cowboys is Jerry Jones' level of control.

No, I do not, but I also think this is a moot point because no head coach worth a fiddler's damn would have wanted Garrett out.

That's opinion and conjecture. And something neither of us could ever prove or disprove.

 

[TheDude]

No, he got this job because he chose it over Bama, St. Louis, and Miami. He got this job because we did want him. If we hadn't, he'd still be working and his offenses would still be among the top in the NFL.

We'll see how good he is now. His prowees wasn't on display in the hand-picked Brad Johnson era - where I think we averaged 150yds a game.

Without Romo and the other pieces Parcells put in, Garrett's offense (whatever that is) likely would not put on a pedastal

 

[Stash]

We both are. Happy?

This I definitely agree with!

 

[Hostile]

Those names are never mentioned because it never gets past the preliminary stages. Coaching searches aren't handled like normal job interviews where someobdy walks in off the street. Plenty of 'feelers' occur before anything ever happens officially, and most never know about them. You yourself should be well aware of that. Do you think Jerry would ever publicly announce interest in a coach knowing he couldn't get him?

Gotcha.

Enjoy "Catcher in the Rye." Great book.

I will be. Because the only factor involved in Carolina is location. Not one single other factor. The cupboard's bare, the ownership is cheap, the market is small, the team is irrelevant and it will be 5 years before they're a playoff team.

There are other factors than location. Tat is merely the biggest. High Draft picks, chance to rebuild a team are all things coaches enjoy.

Carolina can't compete with Dallas in the areas of talent, schemes, profile, salary, and an owner willing to spend. The only factor which would go against the Cowboys is Jerry Jones' level of control.

Agree with all but the last line. He won't consider that an issue.

That's opinion and conjecture. And something neither of us could ever prove or disprove.

It's a little more than opinion on my part when you look at how many other teams were looking to hire the guy as their OC.

 

[Hostile]

This I definitely agree with!

I enjoy debating with you more than anyone else on this forum. I hope you know that. Flat out the best partner there is.

 

[TheDude]

No coach will turn down the Cowboy job if they are out of work unless it is really for family reasons.

Parcells screwed us by leaving so late. But Cowher, Gruden, SAban, Stoops, gruden, Bilick, etc. retrun that call in 30 seconds.

 

[Stash]

I enjoy debating with you more than anyone else on this forum. I hope you know that. Flat out the best partner there is.

Likewise my friend.

I hold you in high regard also.

(even when you're wrong!)

:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

I am not saying you think anything. You say/write to defend Jerry for not being responsible for personell or talent as he has "football guys". Fine. His delegated "football guys" are atrocious. Proof will be the prominent jobs they land year end.

They have prominent jobs here. Why would they go somewhere else?

Ireland, Gaine, Sparano, Payton, Haley, and a host of others from the Jimmy era say you have this dynamic wrong.

I know, the question is almost rhetorical. You can't excuse the indictment of the Phillips/Garret/Jones era failing. The main job of "football guys" in GM roles is to acquire potential and talent and for coaches to develop that talent.

F-------

thanks for not embarrassing yourself with a real answer and simultaneously portraying your typical condescending tone. You have learned weel from the style and no substance regime you love.

My answers would not have embarrassed me. I just don't find the topics asked at all interesting. If that is a condescending tone, so be it.

Agreed. But failing at your duty and your assignments get you fired in the real world. Lack of clear vision and accountability expedite failure. Ultimately the buck stops somewhere, and Jerry's last 3 years are crap

Wade will be fired and some players will be gone. So it is the real world.

OK, Christopher Hitchens in a debate you are not.

Never claimed to be. Yawn.

Well Ciz had 2009-10 and other than Dez....our ST draft is about 100% gone.

And thequestion isn't if Stephen would take a job, it was if he would be offered. You think so. You also think Garrett is a good ROI. Your rationale would need more explaining

I will confess I do not know what ROI is supposed to be.

I find it hard to believe my rationale hasn't been discussed to the point people are sick of hearing me.

No, Stephen will not be offered a job somewhere else because no one could afford to pay him what he will make if he just bides his time here. That's silly man.

Thanks for answering the "non rhetorical' questions and the fact you don't condemn the record of talent development under Philips/garrett/Ciz/Jones from Parcells/Sparano/Ireland/Payton/Jones and answer with condescension says more about your character than mine

I was an English Major with a 3.87 GPA and I have no idea what you just said.

I have no more use for you in this thread. I'll continue to lose respect for you passively. You are emotionally attached and you can't argue with Baghdad Bob

Says the guy who is letting his emotions overcome logic.

I am not hurt by the aimless finger pointing. Lose respect. I should care?

 

[Hostile]

Likewise my friend.

I hold you in high regard also.

(even when you're wrong!)

:laugh2:

Touche'.

:toast:

 

[TheDude]

ROI = Return on investment

$3M per has delivered results and developed talent worthy of about $600K/yr. garret's next job will be OC of the Bills or some level 3 franchise.

Wade and Campo and Houck likely don't get another job.
But I think any incoming coach woudl definitely consider Ray Sherman, Skip Peete, and maybe DeCam.

The Parcells tree of Haley, Payton, Sparano, etc is another indictment of the operations. Not only can they not develop talent on the field, they can't create and develop coaching talent either (I submit Ray Sherman has learned nothing from Jason garrett)
The market is rarely wrong - especially when it has information to price assets better.

 

[Hostile]

ROI = Return on investment

$3M per has delivered results and developed talent worthy of about $600K/yr. garret's next job will be OC of the Bills or some level 3 franchise.

Wade and Campo and Houck likely don't get another job.
But I think any incoming coach woudl definitely consider Ray Sherman, Skip Peete, and maybe DeCam.

The market is rarely wrong - especially when it has information to price assets better.

Thank you for the explanation. I actually assumed that was it, but was trying to put it in football terminology and failed miserably.

 

[TheDude]

No problem. Finance is littered with acronyms and it becomes a new language after a while, - I should have defined, my bad.

 

[Hostile]

No problem. Finance is littered with acronyms and it becomes a new language after a while, - I should have defined, my bad.

I know it from real estate. No sweat. I was just in football mode and got lost.

 

[craig71]

Not much available?

Please. There were plenty of names out there. But few good ones who would work under Jones' conditions.

Parcells left Jerry high and dry without much warning. I also think that any coach, proven or otherwise, would jump at the chance to coach here. Jerry gets alot of criticism from the fans and media, but I tend to think that he is well respected by not only his peers but also by those in the coaching ranks.

You're right. These guys are doing such an amazing, impeccable job, who am I - the consumer who foots the bill for the whole thing - to dare question them?

I should just waste my time, hand over my money and keep my mouth shut.

You be the lemming, I'll think for myself thanks.

There is nothing wrong with questioning what this organization does. I don't think that I have ever said that this organization was beyond reproach. If you want to make a statement, quit handing over your money, that is your right and maybe you will feel better after making that decision. I would only consider myself a lemming if I agreed with every move that this team makes. I do not agree with every move, so I think I'm safe for now. However, in the future, I wil be sure to consult with you if I feel that I am turning into a lemming.

My point would be more accurate if Cowher takes another job without ever considering the Cowboys. That will show me how screwed up things still are.

I think Cowher will consider the offer if it is presented. I also think that Carolina is a more likely scenario. Time will tell.

I agree about Sparano being here, I'm sure that was a plus. But Wade really didn't have any say in the matter. He 'waited' merely for the sake of perception, allowing some folks like you to actually think he had a choice in the matter.

Sometimes perception is reality, at other times it is far removed from the truth. I'm glad you agree about Sparano, I think him being onboard was pivotal.

Just answer this. And this goes for anyone else.

Does anyone think that Wade Phillips could have gotten the Dallas job and forced Garrett out if he had wanted to?

I don't think that Wade would have gotten the job if he had tried to force out Garrett in the beginning. Even Wade isn't dense enough to try that move.
The question is, in my mind, why would he have tried to? Bright young asst. that will have the guidance of Sparano. Wade wouldn't have had anything to gain by trying to force out Jason.


Craig

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Don't let it fool you. That is the reason he got this job. On paper he looks good. As far as having any substance - not so much so far.

The Cowboys should replace their star on the helmet with a sheet of Dunder Mifflins 20lb notebook paper. The motto of this team from Coaches on down is "On Paper"

Who is this Dunder Mifflin and did he come out of Princeton?