Here's a thought Mike Jenkins to FS

[benson]

So what if he isn't a top ten CB, he's the top CB the Cowboys have, and you are advocating removing him from that spot to put him at a spot where his glaring weakness as a tackler would be dramatically more exposed. It makes no sense.

I never said we should move him to safety. I was just commenting on somebody's post who very elegantly claimed Jenkins was top 10 talent at the CB position, which is something Cowboys fans have no trouble doing with any starter at any position. As soon as we have someone who makes a play, he's top 10 at the position, it's absurd.

I really like Jenkins and hope he realizes his potential here in Dallas.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I agree. Just trying to give account of my views not so much for him but for others. I accept the fact that we have some narrow vision and small minded people. It is what it is.

I like your take on it. I'm not a fan of bringing in older players for a couple of seasons, especially at premiere spots, simply because they've been great players.

Doesn't make a lot of sense to get those guys for a couple of years and give the other team someone who can play 8-10 years for them in exchange.

Some people simply don't get that the real NFL isn't Madden NFL.

 

[Doomsday101]

I told you it would just be a straight up trade but your brain can't fathom that, it just keeps spinning and spinning. We would not be giving up picks for them. We would be giving up Felix and Jenkins straight up and you said no way. Time to move on pal.. it was all a hypothetical anyway.

Because it does not work that way. This is a joke you guys run around here hollering you are realist? Then act like it. But you don't you come up with these lame postings and act like these moves do not come with consequences. Your right I'm done and if you can't carry on adult conversation then go ask others not me I'm tired of the kid games you play

 

[Doomsday101]

I like your take on it. I'm not a fan of bringing in older players for a couple of seasons, especially at premiere spots, simply because they've been great players.

Doesn't make a lot of sense to get those guys for a couple of years and give the other team someone who can play 8-10 years for them in exchange.

Some people simply don't get that the real NFL isn't Madden NFL.

I think getting older players to fill a gap for a 1 or 2 years can be a good move to allow you time to fill a role on longer term bases down the line. I watch NE who will bring in an older guy but it is cap friendly and done on a short term. They are not giving up players or picks for these guys.

 

[ufcrules1]

Because it does not work that way. This is a joke you guys run around here hollering you are realist? Then act like it. But you don't you come up with these lame postings and act like these moves do not come with consequences. Your right I'm done and if you can't carry on adult conversation then go ask others not me I'm tired of the kid games you play

I gave you a hypothetical question but you simply don't understand what that word means. See below for the definition. It may help you in the future when someone uses that word around you.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypothetical

 

[Stautner]

I never said we should move him to safety. I was just commenting on somebody's post who very elegantly claimed Jenkins was top 10 talent at the CB position, which is something Cowboys fans have no trouble doing with any starter at any position. As soon as we have someone who makes a play, he's top 10 at the position, it's absurd.

I really like Jenkins and hope he realizes his potential here in Dallas.

I apologize. I assumed you were backing that side of the argument. I agree with you that a lot of fans get overzealous in their opinions of players.

 

[Doomsday101]

I gave you a hypothetical question but you simply don't understand what that word means. See below for the definition. It may help you in the future when someone uses that word around you.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypothetical

I understand it I don't need your help on anything. You want to play stupid game fine do it with someone else. I try to have a convesation and what do I get from you "Your a Homer" I have had enough of this crud.

 

[aikemirv]

lol... ok man, congratulations you just past the homer test. I would say you are a 9 out of a possible 10. 10 being 100% blind homer. You taking Peterson over Jenkins keeps you from being a 10.

I understand your point of view as well, but Jenkins has been a mixed bag player. He has had good years, embarrassingly bad years, has shown a propensity for getting injured, and quit on several plays in 2010.

Nnamdi on the other hand has been the cream of the crop at CB for his whole career and had a little off year in 2011 but still a shut down corner that has played with heart and tenacity. He still has 4-5 good years left in him.

So you would take a excellent player with maybe a couple good years left over a very good cover corner who has a knck for tyhe ball at the beginning of his career.

That makes you crazy and the opposite makes you sane . There is no homerism here - just knowledge of a player - you could ask 25 other people and you would probably get 20 saying Nnamdi but that would be because of reputation not observation!

By the way, from the Eagles games I watched this year Jenkins was better in coverage than Nnamdi.

 

[ufcrules1]

I understand it I don't need your help on anything. You want to play stupid game fine do it with someone else. I try to have a convesation and what do I get from you "Your a Homer" I have had enough of this crud.

Yes, I do believe (you're) a homer. Just an opinion, not something to get all upset about.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes, I do believe (you're) a homer. Just an opinion, not something to get all upset about.

I would have to ban myself if I said what I though you were so I'll leave it at that.

 

[ufcrules1]

you could ask 25 other people and you would probably get 20 saying Nnamdi but that would be because of reputation not observation!

By the way, from the Eagles games I watched this year Jenkins was better in coverage than Nnamdi.

Anyone that wouldn't take Nnamdi straight up for Jenkins is a homer. At the beginning of this year you probably would have taken Newman over Nnamdi too right?

Are we seriously having the conversation of who we would rather on our team out of Nnamdi and Jenkins? I feel like I'm in the twighlights zone.. not the Cowboys zone.

 

[Stautner]

Yes, I do believe (you're) a homer. Just an opinion, not something to get all upset about.

Explain to me the logic of taking the best CB on our team (admittedly not an elite CB, but the best we have), moving him to another position thereby weakening the CB position, and the new position is one that will dramatically emphasize is issues as a tackler?

I know you want to bring in another CB, but will that guy replace bothe Newman and Jenkins? Why not keep Jenkins at the position he can play and have 2 good CB's instead of one, and using Jenkins in a position he is ill equipped to handle?

Again, jenkins has proven to be hesitant to tackle WR's at an angle, so why would we put him in a position to have to tackle TE's and RB's head on?

 

[ufcrules1]

I would have to ban myself if I said what I though you were so I'll leave it at that.

Just send me a private message and tell me how you really feel. I didn't know you were so emotionally attached to our players. It probably broke your heart to see Tashard Choice, Marion Barber, and Roy Williams get cut huh?

 

[aikemirv]

Anyone that wouldn't take Nnamdi straight up for Jenkins is a homer. At the beginning of this year you probably would have taken Newman over Nnamdi too right?

Are we seriously having the conversation of who we would rather on our team out of Nnamdi and Jenkins? I feel like I'm in the twighlights zone.. not the Cowboys zone.

Little quiz for you....

This WR when matched up against Jenkins all game had 4 rec for 55 yrds this year.

Against Philly he had 7 for 146- was that Nnamdi, Asante Samuel or DRC - does not really matter - I assume you would take any of them over Jenkins!

Who was this WR?

 

[ufcrules1]

Explain to me the logic of taking the best CB on our team (admittedly not an elite CB, but the best we have), moving him to another position thereby weakening the CB position, and the new position is one that will dramatically emphasize is issues as a tackler?

I know you want to bring in another CB, but will that guy replace bothe Newman and Jenkins? Why not keep Jenkins at the position he can play and have 2 good CB's instead of one, and using Jenkins in a position he is ill equipped to handle?

Again, jenkins has proven to be hesitant to tackle WR's at an angle, so why would we put him in a position to have to tackle TE's and RB's head on?

Stautner,
I never said any of that. I completely agree with you. I just gave Doomsday a hypothetical question of would he trade Jenkins straight up for Nnamdi. That is all. I would never move Jenkins to safety etc. That is insane.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I think getting older players to fill a gap for a 1 or 2 years can be a good move to allow you time to fill a role on longer term bases down the line. I watch NE who will bring in an older guy but it is cap friendly and done on a short term. They are not giving up players or picks for these guys.

In moderation, and in some good role positions, absolutely.

All across the board, or at major positions, as you said just simply isn't smart business and doesn't make sense in the long term.

Which is the problem with the general, or casual, NFL fans. They only see the small picture. The right here, right now, in the moment.

They can't think beyond that.

 

[ufcrules1]

Little quiz for you....

This WR when matched up against Jenkins all game had 4 rec for 55 yrds this year.

Against Philly he had 7 for 146- was that Nnamdi, Asante Samuel or DRC - does not really matter - I assume you would take any of them over Jenkins!

Who was this WR?

A little quiz for you. Who plays on the other side of Jenkins?

 

[Doomsday101]

Just send me a private message and tell me how you really feel. I didn't know you were so emotionally attached to our players. It probably broke your heart to see Tashard Choice, Marion Barber, and Roy Williams get cut huh?

No need to private. As far as Choice, Barber and RW. I wished them best but had no problem seeing them released it made sense. I loved Emmitt Smith but we let him go as well to finish his career in Arz. Sure there was a part of me who hated to see him leave but it made sense. So no my heart does not get broken by moving on from players, my hope is when we do these things we do so with the ideal of bringing in young players not old guys. Barber is gone but Murray is in. RW is gone but Dez is in

 

[Stautner]

Stautner,
I never said any of that. I completely agree with you. I just gave Doomsday a hypothetical question of would he trade Jenkins straight up for Nnamdi. That is all. I would never move Jenkins to safety etc. That is insane.

I'm sorry - I'm 0-2 in picking up late in the thread and misunderstanding the context as the thread has developed.

 

[ufcrules1]

I'm sorry - I'm 0-2 in picking up late in the thread and misunderstanding the context as the thread has developed.

No worries man... all good. The thread got a little off topic. Everyone agrees that it would be insane to ever move Jenkins to safety.