Here's the real problem with salaries

[Bobhaze]

There is not a salary problem ...... There is a salary cap problem that the owners made on purpose.

The owners are all making more money than ever ...... and they just keep getting richer.

People need to understand that they could triple the salary cap tomorrow if they wanted too.

Players greed is not the problem ...... It's owners greed

100% agree with this.

 

[EGTuna]

They need to allow teams to go ovtrhe cap and pay luxury tax that increases by the % you go over the cap. Allow teams to re-sign theor own plYers to bigger deals like nba supermax policy.

Also get rid of the draft.

 

[conner01]

With all the talk about the collapse of the running back market and the insane salaries given to (fill in the blank -- be it player or position), there's an element of player salaries that is not discussed nearly enough:

The NFL salary table is incredibly top heavy.

Dak's salary takes up nearly 18% of the team's salary cap this year. (This is not a Dak thread. This is not a Dak thread. This is not a Dak thread.)

The top 3 salaries on the roster take up more than 35% of the salary cap.

That leaves 65% of the cap -- less, actually, because of dead money -- for the remaining 50 players on the roster.

There are 35 players on this team earning less than $1 million per year. I know, no one here is crying for them. But when you have 35 players on one team earning less, combined, than 1 player on that same team, something is wrong.

Understand: This is not a Cowboys problem. This is an every team in the NFL problem.

What's more: Salaries increase for players after their 4th year in the league. But how long is the average career? Less than 4 years. So, rosters are always going to be top heavy. A few will earn more in one season than most of their teammates will earn in their entire careers.

Saquon says he doesn't want to be an "a-hole" to his teammates. But, guess what? Every star players is already telling his lower tier teammates that their pockets don't matter. Every. Darn. Day.

Why should we care? Because this is a team sport, but the top heavy contract structure destroys teams. It encourages teams to jettison good players, who have attracted fans to the team -- not because they aren't good anymore, but because they aren't affordable anymore. It encourages players to leave teams for a huge contract elsewhere -- that will only be broken in a year or two. It shortens careers, because good players can't be paid like great players, and cheap players don't have to be good. It starves young players and leaves young men broken at age 25, without the financial resources that start players have to care for themselves.

How can this be fixed?

Make it so that no single player can earn more than 10% of the cap.

Make it so that the top 3 contracts, combined, can't be more than 20% of the cap.

Make it so that no player earns less than 1/2 of 1% of the cap. (Currently, the minimum is 1/10 of 1 percent).

Make player more equitable, and players and teams and fans will all win.

The players have to agree to any changes so the only fix has to involve the players. They aren’t gonna agree to a position cap unless you can convince them it benefits more players
But also the players pct of cap doesn’t take into account the players pct won’t change so you very well end up spreading the money but still have the same issues

 

[conner01]

They need to allow teams to go ovtrhe cap and pay luxury tax that increases by the % you go over the cap. Allow teams to re-sign theor own plYers to bigger deals like nba supermax policy.

Also get rid of the draft.

Getting rid of draft would makes salaries soar

 

[EGTuna]

Getting rid of draft would makes salaries soar

That’s fine with me. The owners are way, WAY more greedy than the players.

 

[FanofJerry]

They need to allow teams to go ovtrhe cap and pay luxury tax that increases by the % you go over the cap. Allow teams to re-sign theor own plYers to bigger deals like nba supermax policy.

Also get rid of the draft.

Would you think it was fair to penalize larger market teams with higher revenue? Or what about Jerry who owns the team and doesnt have shareholders...he could just spend his way to Super Bowls, no?

What I am thinking is...will smaller market NFL teams even be able to utilize going into Luxury tax like wealthier teams? Seems like there would still be an issue unless you made the luxury tax stiffer for wealthier teams. Or does the NFL revenue not work like that and there wouldnt be that problem?

They are not the largest market but they have made so much off of Curry, Klay and Draymond....Golden State Warriors have been in the luxury tax at like over 200M for a few years I think. What small market team trying to establish themselves can compete with that? Draft well?

 

[plasticman]

You can believe there are certain groups around the country that are prepared to invest in a competing league under the proper conditions.

If the majority of NFL "stars" believe they are being underpaid, that would certainly qualify as one of those conditions.

 

[Jumbo075]

The real issue with salaries is that they are none of our business. All the teams have figured out how to manipulate the Salary CAP to keep the players they want, not just the Cowboys. The ONLY thing fans really need to worry about is if the team keeps its good players.

The salaries are so big they are irrelevant to normal fans. Most really cannot imagine what it’s like to make $20M in a lifetime, much less as a signing bonus. Arguing over whether QB’s are “worth” the money being paid to them is just mental masturbation for fans. It has no real meaning for us.

Arguing whether Dak is “worth” $40M or $55M per season is ridiculous. Of course he’s not “worth” that. But he’ll get paid anyway, because of market pressures.

The money isn’t our business. Just enjoy or not enjoy the games. When I go to the movies, I don’t check to see how much the lead actor got paid. I just figure out if I like the movie or not.

Question: Do you like watching the Cowboys and the NFL or not. THAT is your business. It is what you can control. That is ALL you can control. Quit worrying about things out of your control. It is much less stressful.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

The NFL salary table is incredibly top heavy....

Very good post, with some good suggestions. I've long favored a rule limiting the percentage of the cap going to any single player.

My fear with Dallas is that as they pay their star massive contracts, the lack of money available for down the roster will lead to a lack of depth. We've seen this before- where Dallas had fantastic top line talent, but nothing behind it. What makes this current team so special is the deep roster. That depth will disappear over time as they hand out huge deals to Diggs, Parsons, Lamb, etc... (all great players)

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

The money isn’t our business.

That's like saying the roster isn't our business.

Salary cap allocation is a critically important aspect of the game in the cap era.

 

[kskboys]

The real issue with salaries is that they are none of our business. All the teams have figured out how to manipulate the Salary CAP to keep the players they want, not just the Cowboys. The ONLY thing fans really need to worry about is if the team keeps its good players.

The salaries are so big they are irrelevant to normal fans. Most really cannot imagine what it’s like to make $20M in a lifetime, much less as a signing bonus. Arguing over whether QB’s are “worth” the money being paid to them is just mental masturbation for fans. It has no real meaning for us.

Arguing whether Dak is “worth” $40M or $55M per season is ridiculous. Of course he’s not “worth” that. But he’ll get paid anyway, because of market pressures.

The money isn’t our business. Just enjoy or not enjoy the games. When I go to the movies, I don’t check to see how much the lead actor got paid. I just figure out if I like the movie or not.

Question: Do you like watching the Cowboys and the NFL or not. THAT is your business. It is what you can control. That is ALL you can control. Quit worrying about things out of your control. It is much less stressful.

Disagree.

 

[Jumbo075]

Disagree.

Brief. To the point. Great Post!

 

[CCBoy]

100% agree with this.

The salary cap was set up initially to better be able to provide a level of return to players. Next, to project from career injuries. Finally to stabilize opportunity for teams to give the average team fan a chance to follow his own team's player.

This economy leaves pay on the level of the owner and agreements with the Player's Association contract. 10 years for that contract as well as the period for telecasting rights. Advantages have to be developed internally now. Here, Dallas is pretty darned smart right now before any drastic injuries are seen.

 

[CCBoy]

The real issue with salaries is that they are none of our business. All the teams have figured out how to manipulate the Salary CAP to keep the players they want, not just the Cowboys. The ONLY thing fans really need to worry about is if the team keeps its good players.

The salaries are so big they are irrelevant to normal fans. Most really cannot imagine what it’s like to make $20M in a lifetime, much less as a signing bonus. Arguing over whether QB’s are “worth” the money being paid to them is just mental masturbation for fans. It has no real meaning for us.

Arguing whether Dak is “worth” $40M or $55M per season is ridiculous. Of course he’s not “worth” that. But he’ll get paid anyway, because of market pressures.

The money isn’t our business. Just enjoy or not enjoy the games. When I go to the movies, I don’t check to see how much the lead actor got paid. I just figure out if I like the movie or not.

Question: Do you like watching the Cowboys and the NFL or not. THAT is your business. It is what you can control. That is ALL you can control. Quit worrying about things out of your control. It is much less stressful.

Still, a team has to pay it's top player, whether MLB, NBA, Golf, Hockey, or NFL. If that player fails, it's really simple - replace him.

 

[HotDog37]

The real problem with salaries is very simple. Too much. Like way too much.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

With all the talk about the collapse of the running back market and the insane salaries given to (fill in the blank -- be it player or position), there's an element of player salaries that is not discussed nearly enough:

The NFL salary table is incredibly top heavy.

Dak's salary takes up nearly 18% of the team's salary cap this year. (This is not a Dak thread. This is not a Dak thread. This is not a Dak thread.)

The top 3 salaries on the roster take up more than 35% of the salary cap.

That leaves 65% of the cap -- less, actually, because of dead money -- for the remaining 50 players on the roster.

There are 35 players on this team earning less than $1 million per year. I know, no one here is crying for them. But when you have 35 players on one team earning less, combined, than 1 player on that same team, something is wrong.

Understand: This is not a Cowboys problem. This is an every team in the NFL problem.

What's more: Salaries increase for players after their 4th year in the league. But how long is the average career? Less than 4 years. So, rosters are always going to be top heavy. A few will earn more in one season than most of their teammates will earn in their entire careers.

Saquon says he doesn't want to be an "a-hole" to his teammates. But, guess what? Every star players is already telling his lower tier teammates that their pockets don't matter. Every. Darn. Day.

Why should we care? Because this is a team sport, but the top heavy contract structure destroys teams. It encourages teams to jettison good players, who have attracted fans to the team -- not because they aren't good anymore, but because they aren't affordable anymore. It encourages players to leave teams for a huge contract elsewhere -- that will only be broken in a year or two. It shortens careers, because good players can't be paid like great players, and cheap players don't have to be good. It starves young players and leaves young men broken at age 25, without the financial resources that start players have to care for themselves.

How can this be fixed?

Make it so that no single player can earn more than 10% of the cap.

Make it so that the top 3 contracts, combined, can't be more than 20% of the cap.

Make it so that no player earns less than 1/2 of 1% of the cap. (Currently, the minimum is 1/10 of 1 percent).

Make player more equitable, and players and teams and fans will all win.

I'm good with this. I had been for creating a per-position salary cap, but I like your ideas better.

 

[kskboys]

This is grandiose nonsense. There is no evidence of this whatsoever.


The salary cap does this, not the disparity between positions


If everyone was making just 100k, you'd find no shortage of good players. Men love the game and men love fame.


Good gawd, can you hear your own language? Overwrought drivel. Making 500k in a year or two sets anyone up for lifetime financial success. Gotta manage your money and your career after football.

And the NFL provides financial managers to the players.

 

[kskboys]

The true bottom line is fans need to stay out of how salaries are given out how big contracts are and anything to do with players money...

I mean this is not why we're supposed to be watching games and debating football, this is outside our purview as fans..

Seriously, it makes no difference this billion dollar industry ran by a multibillion dollar entity and I think they understand a ton more than fans do no matter how much information we can find on the Internet.

It sure would be nice to get back to just debating football,

you know watch the games, debate the games, debate the stats, talk about players, you know the fun of football and share our ups and downs and for the love of the game.​

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not this nonsense about money,​

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it is changed the way fans look at sports not just betting. but fantasy football, analytics, statistics that are just over saturated people's brains.​

It still comes down to one thing, we can't wait till football season, and we just need to watch football and debate football...

Your first sentence: Why?

 

[kskboys]

sure, let's discuss it in 2030 when it runs out, in the meantime, let's get back to football....

Then the question begs to be asked: Why in the world did you even enter this thread?

Everyone is interested in certain topics. This one does not interest you. Don't click on it. No more complicated than that.

 

[Captain-Crash]

is this where I post this because my favorite player is going to get paid?
"don't worry about a man's money. I'm not concerned about the team. The owner makes millions" "get that money boy"