Here's the real problem with salaries

[kskboys]

Bullet,
These billionaires should get rid of the salary cap. Problem solved.

Not anywhere near that simple. No salary cap comes w/ its own set of problems, mostly far worse than the problems that come w/ the salary cap.

 

[Diehardblues]

Of course. However, the majority of people would take the chance for life changing money. Play 3 yrs in the NFL at min, you'd make $750,000; $870,000; and $940,000. That adds up to 2.56 mill. That is life changing money. Although you'd have to live sparsely, you could retire on that.

Yep and it probably would open up doors for other opportunities after their playing days. I get it K.

And for those type of athletes and individuals probably didn’t get their degree and don’t have other careers to pursue.

If you’re in top 10 of your class in other professional fields you can be pursued by top companies for starting wages for hundreds of thousands a year coming out of college with no risk of life altering injuries with a career which will flourish after 3 or 4 years instead of ending.

 

[Diehardblues]

They are absolutely fan business. The league needs fans. Fans want their teams to win. Salary caps have a large impact on a teams' chances to win, thus fans will have legit business with salaries especially those that gamble on games.

Don't want salaries to be the fans' business? Fine, then get rid of the salary cap and stop PUBLICLY reporting contracts.

Yea , it’s much like the entertainment business. We want to know how much our celebrities make as well for a leading role in a film or TV series, etc.

The NFL has become entertainment sports , not just a football league . And these QB’s and top stars are the leading actors which draw fans in regardless of the success of the teams .

 

[Diehardblues]

Again, some perspective. A player who is guaranteed $22 million, like rookie RB Bijan Robinson makes more money than a person who gets paid $200,000 per year for every year of his life beginning at birth and ending with his death. Bijan Robinson should never have to work another day in his life, even if he has a career ending injury during his first game in the NFL.

I am not picking on Bijan, but some RBs have actually gotten paid much more than that. That fact that they are not making $22 million a year instead of $5 million like other position players does not mean they are underpaid.

I have been saying for some time QB salaries are out of whack and at some point the league will have to make an adjustment out of necessity. Maybe they change the rules again. Maybe they changes the way they play the game. Or maybe they change the way they build their rosters moving more towards building a strong roster to support a more mediocre QB. I don't know the answer but the way QB salaries are accelerating something has to give eventually. But I don't think right now the league thinks they have a problem.

And one more point, I always hear that the salary CAP is going to go up so paying players will get easier. No, it won't. It will be possible to pay them more, but it will not get easier because the salaries will increase quickly with the CAP and the problem will still exist only at higher levels of compensation.

The answer is setting Caps or percentage of Cap per position.

But the NFL isn’t really interested in limiting how they pay their QB’s and stars or what I call their leading actors.

The NFL over the decades has evolved from a football league into the biggest sports entertainment entity . Jethro Jone$ revolutionary revenue HOF contributions have led the way into this evolution .

 

[kskboys]

Yep and it probably would open up doors for other opportunities after their playing days. I get it K.

And for those type of athletes and individuals probably didn’t get their degree and don’t have other careers to pursue.

If you’re in top 10 of your class in other professional fields you can be pursued by top companies for starting wages for hundreds of thousands a year coming out of college with no risk of life altering injuries with a career which will flourish after 3 or 4 years instead of ending.

Of course. However, you're referring to a tiny percentage of people.

 

[Creeper]

The answer is setting Caps or percentage of Cap per position.

But the NFL isn’t really interested in limiting how they pay their QB’s and stars or what I call their leading actors.

The NFL over the decades has evolved from a football league into the biggest sports entertainment entity . Jethro Jone$ revolutionary revenue HOF contributions have led the way into this evolution .

I don't think they can set a limit on positions like that. Let's say they set 20% for the QB position. Before long half the QBs in the league will be getting the maximum for their position. You won't be able to differentiate Patrick Mahomes from Daniel Jones.

While I agree that CAP management has become too much of an influence on the outcomes of games, there needs to be a better what to fix this problem. I have advocated that veterans be given some kind of CAP exemption for the team that drafts them. Guys like Emmitt Smith should never have to leave their teams because of money. A guy like Zack Martin should be able to play with Dallas until he decides to retire or the team cuts him, but letting him finish his career with another team is just wrong.

The CAP was never a good idea and the reasons for the CAP were never solid. With revenue sharing even small market teams get paid so why implement a CAP except to protect the league from cheap owners.

 

[Diehardblues]

Of course. However, you're referring to a tiny percentage of people.

Much like in sports. Only about 10% of amateur athletes make it professionally.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

I watch football , to see football. The financial dealings of millionaires / billionaires doesn't interest me one bit

I've got my own financial Dealings to contend with.

 

[CCBoy]

This is the problem with salaries:

Kyle Youmans

@Kyle_Youmans

Micah Parsons on his future contract talks: “All I know is that when I win that Super Bowl, I won’t have to worry about anything else the rest of my life.” Great stuff for #cowboyszone


1:17 PM · Jul 28, 2023 from Oxnard, CA

You go Micah...this fan is still holding you accountable.

 

[T-RO]

The CAP was never a good idea and the reasons for the CAP were never solid. With revenue sharing even small market teams get paid so why implement a CAP except to protect the league from cheap owners.

Without a CAP 3 things happen:
-Six or eight teams with richest enjoy a huge advantage.
-Salaries explode to even more preposterous heights.
-Ticket prices go even higher.

 

[acr731]

But can they enslave you for less than a million a year? I believe $750,000 is currently league minimum. Practice squad is $12,000 a week.

Most of the leagues players are playing for the leagues minimum which is less than I’d risk my body for a few years of potential fame.

I guess most fans here didn’t do well in their careers and playing for 3 or 4 years ( league average) at minimum league salary would surpass their current lifestyle’s.
No thanks!

Considering that's $650,000 more a year than I currently make, just tell me where to sign.

 

[links18]

I don't know what the problem is with salaries in general, but I know mine isn't dang high enough!

 

[kskboys]

Much like in sports. Only about 10% of amateur athletes make it professionally.

Didn't even think it was that high!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Diehardblues]

Didn't even think it was that high!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s the NCAA’s motto. That doesn’t necessarily represent football alone but all athletes in NCAA.

 

[kskboys]

That’s the NCAA’s motto. That doesn’t necessarily represent football alone but all athletes in NCAA.

And most likely includes all pro sports, such as minor leagues and semi-pro leagues. It's not close to 10% just in the pros.

 

[FanofJerry]

The problem with these ridiculous "anti-QB pay" comments day in and day out is...

Drum roll...

These same posters suggesting the QB pay is out of whack would immediately flip flop on that stance if they were randomly spawned into Jerry Jones and Patrick Mahommes was a free agent and wanted to come to Dallas but wanted 23% of cap.

Its all fun and games until youre an actual GM with a locker room. The locker room doesnt want want to waste time finding Patrick or Tom...they want decent QB that gives them a chance asap. They dont want a GM wasting time kicking decent QB's to the curb in a team game. And decent QB's are expensive...see above example. GM's jump at the chance to pay a bus driver for the sake of the team/locker room.

As usual. I make sense about a subject that gets beaten into the ground around here as to why GM's do what they do...but no one wants to respond...they want to keep griping to each other about points that dont matter. Im straight up telling you why QB's are paid a lot...everyone in here would out pay the next guy if they could for Josh Allen(who hasnt won a Super Bowl). No one in here wants to put themselves in the GM's shoes...they want to talk negative about GM's.

 

[T-RO]

Centers make about the same as RBs are now making. Yet nobody gets in an uproar about that.

I can't believe people are worried about guys in sports making "only" 2-5 million a year. I'm bored by it (slightly annoyed, I suppose, as well) and won't give it another thought.

 

[Creeper]

Without a CAP 3 things happen:
-Six or eight teams with richest enjoy a huge advantage.
-Salaries explode to even more preposterous heights.
-Ticket prices go even higher.

In 2019, every NFL team got $296 million in revenue from NFL revenue sharing. The Bengals contributed only $108 million while the Cowboys generated $575 million. The way it works today, the Cowboys are penalized for generating review and the Bengals are rewarded. What incentive do the Bengals have for raising ticket prices for their fans if they are going to benefit from the higher ticket prices of other teams? The average ticket price for a Bengals game is not $292, down from $309 last year. Cowboys ticket prices average $497 up from $403 last year. So the Bengals reduced their ticket prices which are already $205 less than Cowboys ticket prices and they will still get the same share of the revenue as Dallas.

The CAP is set up to benefit teams that do not want to charge or spend money and penalize teams whose fans pay much higher prices. Its not like Dallas is a big market city, like NY or LA. The cheapest tickets are Falcons ticket at under $200 on average. Atlanta is an up and coming city. The next lowest is Houston. Atlanta and Houston are not exactly poor communities.

There should be some reward for being the richest teams because the owners built the franchises into money makers.

Salaries might go up but if what you point out is true, the bidding would be between only 8 teams which would keep the market in check.

Call me cynical but what this is about is some greedy owners unwilling to spend to build a winning franchise. That's why there is a minimum CAP spend in the league too. Also, removing the CAP would force the Packers to go to private ownership, like another group of billionaires.

 

[kskboys]

The problem with these ridiculous "anti-QB pay" comments day in and day out is...

Drum roll...

These same posters suggesting the QB pay is out of whack would immediately flip flop on that stance if they were randomly spawned into Jerry Jones and Patrick Mahommes was a free agent and wanted to come to Dallas but wanted 23% of cap.

Its all fun and games until youre an actual GM with a locker room. The locker room doesnt want want to waste time finding Patrick or Tom...they want decent QB that gives them a chance asap. They dont want a GM wasting time kicking decent QB's to the curb in a team game. And decent QB's are expensive...see above example. GM's jump at the chance to pay a bus driver for the sake of the team/locker room.

As usual. I make sense about a subject that gets beaten into the ground around here as to why GM's do what they do...but no one wants to respond...they want to keep griping to each other about points that dont matter. Im straight up telling you why QB's are paid a lot...everyone in here would out pay the next guy if they could for Josh Allen(who hasnt won a Super Bowl). No one in here wants to put themselves in the GM's shoes...they want to talk negative about GM's.

I'd say you completely missed making sense.

 

[Longboysfan]

That's why drafting is so important.