Here's the Roy Williams Problem

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In 2009, RW was targeted as receiver 86 times and made 38 receptions -- i.e., he caught 44% of the passes thrown to him.

Now a lot depends on the QB, the throw, the situation, etc. But looking back over his history, RW caught 44% of the passes thrown to him in 2008, 60.5% in 2007 (his best percentage), 54% in 2006, 48% in 2005 and 46% in 2004 (his rookie year).

Ogletree caught 7 of 8 passes in 2009 (87.5%) but that's a really small sample and not a fair comparison.

Austin caught 81 of 124 in 2009 -- 65%.

What's "normal"? I don't think there is a "normal" since a West Coast WR might catch a much higher percentage of shorter, quicker routes. But take Anquan Boldin as a comparable -- a quality receiver, #2 to Fitzgerald, being thrown to by an accurate QB in a non-West Coast offense.

Boldin recorded 84/127 (66%) in 2009, 86/126 (68%) in 2008, 71/99 (71.7%) in 2007, 83/152 (54.6%) in 2006, 102/171 (59.6%) in 2005, 56/104 (53.8%) in 2004 and 101/165 (61%) in 2003.

In short, as a rule of thumb, I think you have to expect a starting WR to catch about 60% of the passes thrown his way -- maybe 65% in a good year.

Roy Williams has hit the 60% mark only once in his career -- barely, in 2007. He generally hovers around 50% and below. So I wouldn't expect a huge turnaround in his dependability in 2010. He's just not that kind of receiver.

If you want someone closer to dependable, start Crayton -- 37/67 (55%) in 2009, 39/70 (55.7%) in 2008, 50/81 (61.7%) in 2007, 36/48 (75%) in 2006, 22/35 (62.8%) in 2005 and 12/15 (80%) in 2004.
 

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so...you are saying the problem is he sucks.?

thanks for the info.......:D
 

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Good stuff and it shows why trading for him was a boneheaded move, the guy just is not that good.
 

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Someone named Roy Williams just declared for the NFL draft. Jerry said he was going to draft him with our first round pick. :cool:
 

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nyc;3249727 said:
Someone named Roy Williams just declared for the NFL draft. Jerry said he was going to draft him with our first round pick. :cool:

After trading a 1st and a 3rd to himself in order to be able to get him.
 

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nyc;3249727 said:
Someone named Roy Williams just declared for the NFL draft. Jerry said he was going to draft him with our first round pick. :cool:

What position does he play?
 

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I screamed this all offseason. His stats were always inflated, he is limited as to what he can do as a route runner, doesn't get any seperation, has a low football IQ, and is the slowest 4.4 guy I've ever seen in my life.

But he'll block the **** out of your ***.
 

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Apollo Creed;3249814 said:
I screamed this all offseason. His stats were always inflated, he is limited as to what he can do as a route runner, doesn't get any seperation, has a low football IQ, and is the slowest 4.4 guy I've ever seen in my life.

But he'll block the **** out of your ***.

I disagree. Well not with all but about his stats being inflated. He was a solid receiver in Detroit. I don't know about his pass to drop ratio but that guy made some AMAZING catches as a Lion. I just want him to make plays and he at one point was capable of that. Stats are just that. Stats. Stats don't win games.
 

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rocyaice;3249824 said:
I disagree. Well not with all but about his stats being inflated. He was a solid receiver in Detroit. I don't know about his pass to drop ratio but that guy made some AMAZING catches as a Lion. I just want him to make plays and he at one point was capable of that. Stats are just that. Stats. Stats don't win games.

They were behind 38-17 in every game. They threw the ball all over the yard. Mike Furrey was a better receiving option than him in Detroit.
 

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Apollo Creed;3249829 said:
They were behind 38-17 in every game. They threw the ball all over the yard. Mike Furrey was a better receiving option than him in Detroit.

Do stats tell you this? Because Mike Furry is a bum. And I agree. His passing yards were inflated due to Mike Martz system. But put stats aside. The guy was a good receiving threat in Detroit. I saw him make several one handed catches all down the field. There's talent there. He didn't just pile stats up in Detroit. He made some amazing catches. And btw, I wouldn't consider Jon Kitna the most accurate qb in history. Especially if we want to bring up stats he had more INT's than TD's as a Lion.
 

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I think the main problem is the sheer volume of posts and threads dedicated to discussing a guy who scored 7 times in limited chances and doesn't seem to be an overwhelming concern by the team itself.

We have reached analysis paralysis.
 

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Gadfly22;3249715 said:
In short, as a rule of thumb, I think you have to expect a starting WR to catch about 60% of the passes thrown his way -- maybe 65% in a good year.

My comment is not specifically regarding Roy Williams, but that percentage will depend heavily on the system and the type of receiver. Chad Ochocinco, for example, has reached 60 percent in only one season (2005). He's usually around 55 percent.

And by the way, Calvin Johnson has caught 50.5 percent, 51.7 percent and 49.3 percent in his three seasons.
 

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AdamJT13;3249846 said:
My comment is not specifically regarding Roy Williams, but that percentage will depend heavily on the system and the type of receiver. Chad Ochocinco, for example, has reached 60 percent in only one season (2005). He's usually around 55 percent.

And by the way, Calvin Johnson has caught 50.5 percent, 51.7 percent and 49.3 percent in his three seasons.


Interesting..........
 

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rocyaice;3249837 said:
Do stats tell you this? Because Mike Furry is a bum. And I agree. His passing yards were inflated due to Mike Martz system. But put stats aside. The guy was a good receiving threat in Detroit. I saw him make several one handed catches all down the field. There's talent there. He didn't just pile stats up in Detroit. He made some amazing catches. And btw, I wouldn't consider Jon Kitna the most accurate qb in history. Especially if we want to bring up stats he had more INT's than TD's as a Lion.

Hostile;3249842 said:
I think the main problem is the sheer volume of posts and threads dedicated to discussing a guy who scored 7 times in limited chances and doesn't seem to be an overwhelming concern by the team itself.

We have reached analysis paralysis.

The parts in bold are what people forget. We have seen him make circus catches against our very own Cowboys. We have to figure out how to use him because the talent is there. I don't believe he all of a sudden forgot how to play wide receiver. So far, he hasn't been the greatest fit, but the fact that he has found the end zone with limited opportunities gives me hope.
 

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Hostile;3249842 said:
I think the main problem is the sheer volume of posts and threads dedicated to discussing a guy who scored 7 times in limited chances and doesn't seem to be an overwhelming concern by the team itself.

We have reached analysis paralysis.


Those 7 TDs weren't a result of him doing anything special, outside of the Tampa td the rest couldve been made by any run of the mill receiver.
 

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Hostile;3249842 said:
I think the main problem is the sheer volume of posts and threads dedicated to discussing a guy who scored 7 times in limited chances and doesn't seem to be an overwhelming concern by the team itself.

We have reached analysis paralysis.

6 of which were inside the opponents 10 yard line.

9 yards or less? Roy's a player.

10 or more? He's a dud.
 

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Apollo Creed;3249859 said:
Those 7 TDs weren't a result of him doing anything special, outside of the Tampa td the rest couldve been made by any run of the mill receiver.

But they weren't lol. And if its so easy for any run of the mill receiver to do it why aren't they? Roy was a threat in the red zone.
 

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Boyzmamacita;3249858 said:
The parts in bold are what people forget. We have seen him make circus catches against our very own Cowboys. We have to figure out how to use him because the talent is there. I don't believe he all of a sudden forgot how to play wide receiver. So far, he hasn't been the greatest fit, but the fact that he has found the end zone with limited opportunities gives me hope.

I agree which is why i'm not buying this talk of him never being that good. No, he was solid in Detroit. He made catches that were suppose to be made by special players. We haven't seen that in Dallas but at the same time I haven't really seen him get those same chances here in Dallas that he got in Detroit.
 
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