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I worked with the Packers organization on a ten month job this past year and I can tell you the Packers, from the very top on down, have a deep dislike for the Cowboys because of the America's Team moniker. They believe they are (or should be) but know that horse has left the barn and will never come back. The entire job I never once let on a was a Cowboy fan because I knew it could compromise my position.
Jealousy is weak sauce.

Titletown is an appropriate nickname for a franchise owning nine NFL championships and four Super Bowl victories. With a little marketing effort, "Titletown" could be as big a nickname, if not an even bigger nickname, than "America's Team." The nickname could grow into one of the most recognizable phrases in the world. Could mean millions. Or billions. Nope. Any creative people associated with the Packers franchise simply sit on their hands and pine away for the days that'll never arrive when people think of Green Bay as America's Team without also thinking of Dallas at the same time. Pathetic. What's more pathetic are the number of additional NFL teams that are just as opportunity ignorant as the Packers.
 

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You guys think Dallas wins if Bryant's catch holds up? I forgot you guys were up 21-13 at one point. We were getting beat up. Also you guys hate us or consider us a rival?

No hate at all man, the officials were the ones with the call and like the other said giving the ball back to Rodgers with that much time means points with no pressure and all day to throw.
 

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Defense was understandably deflated after that BS call. If we were leading the Packers, they would have been jacked up and ready to shut them down. Not saying the score should have an impact on how the defense plays, but that's just how football works

That's a bunch of bull not buying that. The Cowboys had the lead right before the half and after blowing a FG opportunity allowed the Packers to drive from their own 40 to the Cowboys 22 in 29 seconds for a cheap 3 points. It takes a mentally weak defense to get deflated after every missed scoring opportunity. What happened right before he half changed the momentum and Rodgers who had been off began to heat up and it carried over into the second half. The Cowboys defense missed tackles and couldn't pressure a hobbling Rodgers that's what ended up costing them the game.
 

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You guys think Dallas wins if Bryant's catch holds up? I forgot you guys were up 21-13 at one point. We were getting beat up. Also you guys hate us or consider us a rival?

You guys had us anyway with no pass rush. Always considered you a rival, but not a hated team.
 

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You guys think Dallas wins if Bryant's catch holds up? I forgot you guys were up 21-13 at one point. We were getting beat up. Also you guys hate us or consider us a rival?

Had Bryant's catch held up and the Cowboys pounded it in the next play Rodgers would have had plenty of time left and all his TO's to continue dissecting the Cowboys defense. The Cowboys had just over 4 minutes to stop the Packers and couldn't prevent them from eating up the clock. The Packers moved from the Cowboys 33 to their own 28 and Rodgers was able to start taking a knee with 1:43 left. I said prior to the game the Cowboys lack of pressure would be their downfall against an elite QB like Rodgers. He was limping around and even threw a TD on one leg. It's the second time in 3 years the Cowboys defense couldn't defend a one legged QB in an elimination game. In the season finale in 2012 with a playoff birth on the line the Cowboys D allowed a limping RG3 to rush for 63 yards and a TD.
 

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I've posted several times the biggest mistake in the game was the Cowboys going for it all at their own 32 with 4:42 left on a manageable 4th and 2. Romo who had played an excellent game made a bad decision by throwing a 50-50 jump ball to Dez when a high percentage pass to Witten or Beasley could have easily picked up the first down allowing the Cowboys to milk the clock. The Cowboys defense had been struggling the entire second half so even had Dez's play held up and the Cowboys pounded the ball in on the next play Rodgers would have had plenty of time to answer in the end.

Had the Cowboys simply picked up the first down they could have run Murray who averaged 4.9 a carry that day and ate up some of the clock forcing the Packers to have to burn their TO's. The closer the Cowboys got to the endzone it would have brought a fade to Dez in the corner which would have been very difficult to defend in that situation. There was no reason for the Cowboys to go for broke with a 4:42 left on a 4th and 2 play.
 

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You guys think Dallas wins if Bryant's catch holds up? I forgot you guys were up 21-13 at one point. We were getting beat up. Also you guys hate us or consider us a rival?

No. The Packers would have beaten us. We couldn't stop Rodgers. He was the difference.
 

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True that, but our defense came through in the clutch several times throughout the season. The point is that we never got the opportunity

The Cowboys defense couldn't stop the Texans from scoring a TD with seconds left to take that game into OT last season. The D couldn't stop an average QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick from hitting a 19 yard pass to put the Texans in scoring position with the game on the line. Fortunately the Cowboys won that game in OT with the help of another jump ball to Dez. The Cowboys defense got eaten up by Colt McCoy a 3rd string QB last season when that game was on the line so good luck stopping Aaron Rodgers even on one leg. The Cowboys defense got the opportunity to stop the Packers with just over 4 minutes to play and continued not being able to apply pressure to Rodgers. Both Jerry and Stephen pointed to the defense in the Packers game as the reason the Cowboys top 2 picks went on defense and their top free agent signing was on defense. The Cowboys will continue to come up short in the playoffs if they don't improve their pass rush.
 

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The Cowboys defense couldn't stop the Texans from scoring a TD with seconds left to take that game into OT last season. The D couldn't stop an average QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick from hitting a 19 yard pass to put the Texans in scoring position with the game on the line. Fortunately the Cowboys won that game in OT with the help of another jump ball to Dez. The Cowboys defense got eaten up by Colt McCoy last season so good luck stopping Aaron Rodgers even a one leg. The Cowboys defense got the opportunity to stop the Packers with just over 4 minutes to play and continued not being able to apply pressure to Rodgers. Both Jerry and Stephen pointed to the defense in the Packers game as the reason the Cowboys top 2 picks went on defense and their top free agent signing was on defense. The Cowboys will continue to come up short in the playoffs if they don't improve their pass rush.

I think you're right that the better strategy on the catch-series was to keep converting and eating the clock. Also that we likely wouldn't have stopped Rodgers on his next series, but you never know. The Superbowl was lost last season on the type of defensive play we'd be talking about here. All it takes is one wrong read, one missed block, one WR to slip making a cut, and that would have been ballgame.
 

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I worked with the Packers organization on a ten month job this past year and I can tell you the Packers, from the very top on down, have a deep dislike for the Cowboys because of the America's Team moniker. They believe they are (or should be) but know that horse has left the barn and will never come back. The entire job I never once let on a was a Cowboy fan because I knew it could compromise my position.

I'm not from Wisconsin, however, I have certainly have a lot of Packers fans who are friends and family and I can honestly say I haven't heard any of them ever lament not being named "American's Team".

Maybe it's a Wisconsin thing.

Titletown is a perfectly fine title -- although I'd say it isn't not nearly pervasive as the Cowboys's and "America's Team".
 

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No way to know how the outcome may have changed had the Dez play stood. Momentum shift, What would GB field position look like after the score and taking the kickoff? For me this is all water under the bridge and ready to move on with this season. There is no sure way to know what the outcome would have been by playing the "what if" game
 

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I think you're right that the better strategy on the catch-series was to keep converting and eating the clock. Also that we likely wouldn't have stopped Rodgers on his next series, but you never know. The Superbowl was lost last season on the type of defensive play we'd be talking about here. All it takes is one wrong read, one missed block, one WR to slip making a cut, and that would have been ballgame.

The SB was lost by a poor play call that gave a defender an opportunity to jump a route. No way do the Pats stop a freight train like Marshawn Lynch from a yard out with the SB on the line. If you're going to throw in that situation don't give it away by lining up in the shotgun go under center, fake to Lynch who the defense is expecting then hit a wide open receiver. There's bound to be a wide open receiver with everyone biting on the fake to Lynch. Never seen a worse play call under the circumstance than Seattle's final play in the SB.
 

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Here is a wild question -- if you put together a 'All Time' team that contained only Cowboys and Packers, how many of the 22 players (and coaches) would end up being Cowboys vs Packers?

Think about the crazy choice at some of the positions:
  • Landry vs Lombardi?
  • Staubuch or Aikman or Romo vs Starr or Favre or Rodgers
  • Irvin vs Lofton or Sharpe?
  • Forest Gregg vs Erik Williams?
  • Larry Allen vs Jerry Kramer?
  • Woody vs Leroy Butler?
  • etc
 

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Really you guys played us tougher than Seattle did. I know we lost to Seattle but we kicked the crap out of them for 55 minutes and lost the game in the last 5. Dallas beat us up until midway through the 4th quarter.

Hey, the Giants players said we were the best team they played in 2007 and that was the year they beat the undefeated Patriots.

Hopefully we'll have something to show for the Romo era one of these days.
 

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The SB was lost by a poor play call that gave a defender an opportunity to jump a route. No way do the Pats stop a freight train like Marshawn Lynch from a yard out with the SB on the line. If you're going to throw in that situation don't give it away by lining up in the shotgun go under center, fake to Lynch who the defense is expecting then hit a wide open receiver. There's bound to be a wide open receiver with everyone biting on the fake to Lynch. Never seen a worse play call under the circumstances than Seattle's final play in the SB.

Yep. It was the worse play call in Superbowl history as far as I'm concerned, too. But the point's the same. There's no knowing what a QB or a play caller might thing they see or what could happen on any given drive. Our defense was pretty bad last year, too, but the one thing they did well was take the ball away. We did it in DET just the week before, and we might have done it on that drive in GB if they'd been pushing to score.

Like I said originally, though, I liked GBs odds better than ours in that situation. Though I also wouldn't have ruled out Tony making some great plays with the clock running out if we ended up with the ball at the end of that game.
 

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The SB was lost by a poor play call that gave a defender an opportunity to jump a route. No way do the Pats stop a freight train like Marshawn Lynch from a yard out with the SB on the line. If you're going to throw in that situation don't give it away by lining up in the shotgun go under center, fake to Lynch who the defense is expecting then hit a wide open receiver. There's bound to be a wide open receiver with everyone biting on the fake to Lynch. Never seen a worse play call under the circumstance than Seattle's final play in the SB.

I agree. However if I was going to call pass I would have as you said lined up under center, play action and have Wilson roll giving him the option of run or pass. Thing is the play was a 2nd and 1 with a timeout to spare.
 

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Yep. It was the worse play call in Superbowl history as far as I'm concerned, too. But the point's the same. There's no knowing what a QB or a play caller might thing they see or what could happen on any given drive. Our defense was pretty bad last year, too, but the one thing they did well was take the ball away. We did it in DET just the week before, and we might have done it on that drive in GB if they'd been pushing to score.

Like I said originally, though, I liked GBs odds better than ours in that situation. Though I also wouldn't have ruled out Tony making some great plays with the clock running out if we ended up with the ball at the end of that game.

When you look at the Packers final series the Cowboys defense continued not being able to pressure Rodgers. It was just more of what we saw the entire second half. Taking the ball away from Matthew Stafford is a lot easier than taking the ball away from Aaron Rodgers. Stafford throws a lot of picks and Aaron Rodgers doesn't. I'm not doubting that Romo couldn't have gotten it done had he had the opportunity in the end but I have no faith the Cowboys defense would have performed any better protecting a lead than they did trying to get the ball back.
 

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Murray fumbled on a potential big run killing a drive. Our defense couldn't put any pressure on a hobbled Rodgers. That one overturned play was not a make or break play even though the media has hyped it as such. The Cowboys could have scored and still lost the game.

The bad thing was I did not think you guys could win in Seattle (and you didn't) while I think we would have had a good chance. It's all about match-ups and we matched up better against Seattle than you guys did, at least last year.

And no, we don't really view you as a rival. Not because you're not a good team, because you are. We just hate our division opponents more :D

We did strip sack him once and got a big turnover. Given the circumstances I think we did good enough. GB averaged over 40 points at home during the regular season. We held them to a lot lower than that. I'm not praising our defense but we could have won that game. If we scored and Rodgers had the ball with 3 minutes or so left.. one batted down pass, one strip sack, one fumble and the game would be over. I would have liked our chances although it would have been a nail biter. We made some other crucial mistakes that helped cost us the game like screwing up right before the half and missing the field goal and then GB scored before the half... that was a 6 point swing. Murrays fumble, and a few other things. It was just a team loss all the way around in my opinion. I was so proud of them last year though.
 
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